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Walkon 7/1
Ghizao 10/1
NDLV 10/1
Notus DL Tour 10/1
Crystal Bonus 12/1
Havingascooby 14/1
Really unoriginal here but Walkon, IF he can back up and replicate his last run, which is the doubt given his patchy profile, is a worth favourite.
Ghizao 10/1
NDLV 10/1
Notus DL Tour 10/1
Crystal Bonus 12/1
Havingascooby 14/1
Really unoriginal here but Walkon, IF he can back up and replicate his last run, which is the doubt given his patchy profile, is a worth favourite.
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Tough race to call AP as hard to know what might run. Given he'd have a 12lb turnaround with Walkon for his Exeter defeat, I 'd quite like the look of NDLT at 12/1
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Trainer has confirmed Walkon def runs here, Bless The Wings does not.
I cant see Ghizao returning to a 20 runner handicap anytime soon. Crytal Bonus .. probably best suited to soft ground. Havingascooby wants 2 miles and still needs to jump better imo. Some others have put up NDLT. It's his only entry. |
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RP 1/1/12
D.Pipe " Notus de la tour is our only entry. He hasn't quite been right,otherwise he would have been out before. There are a couple of graduation races coming up and hopefully he'll be out shortly,but if anyone's looking for a bet I'd say back him with a run." |
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was a cracking race last season, produced a load of winners
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Thanks tinkler
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If Unioniste runs off 137 he must have a big chance. 3rd to Dynaste (161 over hurdles) and Fingal Bay (153 over hurdles) at the last meeting, jumped really well and surely Nicholls and Hales won't let this chance go begging off this mark.
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Yep, Unioniste on a nice perch. Mad to think he's only 4 !!
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^^^ Anywon know if Unioniste is an intended runner?
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Like it too, tryin to find out but its like gettin blood from a stone so far
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Reckon he's made for the race and Nicholls will want the prize money more than ever this year as he'll need it once Henderson gets going. Can't see much else in the race and don't think he'd enter it if he didn't intend running. Jumped like a bunny last time and most of these are pretty exposed.
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There has to be a risk he wont get in on 137 isnt there ?
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Then you get your money back if he's balloted out. What would you do? Run off a low weight for the best part of 100 grand or carry penalties in a novice chase for a few grand? Otherwise take on horses rated 150s at level weights in a graded race for possibly 20 grand?
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booster - educate me. If you bet on Unioniste Ante Post and he doesnt get in due to the fact too many horses better than 137 do you get your money back with all online bookmakers ? Coz that does indeed make the bet look a whole lot better. Thanks.
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You do if he's declared at the overnight stage but balloted out. You don't if he's not declared at the last declaration which i think will be 48 hours for this race. Money for him today suggests he'll be targeted at the race and took 11s with Stan James out of Saturday's winnings at the weekend. Good Luck if you're joining in, looks chucked in to me.
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I am going in. Thanks for the education. Learning all the time. Much appreciated.
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A 4yo winning a race like this? Surely he's not ready for it?
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Gonna be a stat buster innit sint
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Gonna be a stat buster innit sint
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Gonna be a stat buster innit sint
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Need i repeat myself
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CHELTENHAM RACECOURSE MEDIA RELEASE
for immediate release, Wednesday, December 5, 2012 DIVERS & DE BOITRON SET FOR PAUL STEWART IronSpine CHARITY CHALLENGE GOLD CUP Meeting: The International Dates: Friday & Saturday - December 14 & 15 Gates Open: 10am both days First Race: 12.15pm Friday, 12.10pm Saturday Admission prices from £9. Go to www.cheltenham.co.uk for further information Trainer Ferdy Murphy is hoping to launch a two-pronged assault on the £100,000 Paul Stewart IronSpine Charity Challenge Gold Cup, the weights for which are announced today. Divers (10st 2lb) and De Boitron (10st 1lb) are on course for the two mile, five furlong handicap chase on day two of The International, Saturday, December 15, at Cheltenham. Divers missed the Paddy Power Gold Cup at Cheltenham on November 17 due to soft ground but the eight-year-old boasts an excellent record at the home of Jump racing, having finished fourth in the Grade Three Byrne Group Plate at The Festival in March and third in the 2011 Paddy Power Gold Cup. He also beat last season's Paul Stewart IronSpine Charity Challenge Gold Cup victor Quantitativeeasing (11st 3lb) in the Listed Pulteney Land Investments Novices' Handicap Chase at The Festival in 2011. De Boitron has run well at The Festival in the two most recent renewals of the extended two-mile Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Handicap Chase, coming home sixth in 2012 and fourth in 2011. The eight-year-old was third in the Ceres Estates Silver Trophy Limited Handicap Chase over two miles and five furlongs, at Cheltenham in April, 2011, and filled the same position on his seasonal return in a Kelso handicap chase on November 10. Murphy revealed: "I hope that both Divers and De Boitron will head to Cheltenham. De Boitron will handle softer conditions, whereas Divers really needs good ground. As long as the ground is not as soft as it was on the Saturday of The Open, Divers will definitely run. "Divers is very, very well. We worked him on Tuesday morning and I couldn't have him in better shape so we are desperate to get him to a racecourse. "He has won on soft ground but he is very good on a faster surface and, when you get into the top races, you want everything in your favour. His record at Cheltenham is very good and I hope that he can take his chance. "De Boitron has been third over the course and distance and he ran well twice in the Johnny Henderson Grand Annual, which is a too short for him. "He ran a blinder on his seasonal return at Kelso and he has improved for the outing. He is in good order and two miles, five furlongs around Cheltenham will be ideal for him." The weights for the Paul Stewart IronSpine Charity Challenge Gold Cup are headed by the Philip Hobbs-trained Wishfull Thinking (11st 12lb), who was an impressive winner of the Shloer Chase at Cheltenham on November 18. Hobbs is also responsible for Menorah (11st 10lb), who captured the Grade Two StanJames.com International Hurdle at The International in 2010 and was third in the Grade One Racing Post Arkle Chase at this year's Festival. Walkon (10st 12lb) and Nadiya De La Vega (10st 9lb), second and third in the Paddy Power Gold Cup, could re-oppose each other, while Paul Nicholls, who saddled Al Ferof to victory in the November highlight, may be represented by Tataniano (11st 10lb), course specialist Poquelin (11st 10lb), Cristal Bonus (11st 7lb), Ghizao (11st 5lb) and Unioniste (9st 8lb). Other contenders among the 35 entries going forward include Hunt Ball (11st 7lb), who scored in the Pulteney Land Investments Novices' Handicap Chase at The Festival in March but was pulled up on his seasonal return in the Paddy Power Gold Cup, Ascot Grade Three winner Roberto Goldback (11st 11lb) and Astracad (10st 8lb), who won at The International in 2011. The Paul Stewart IronSpine Charity Challenge Gold Cup is being sponsored by the Stewart Family, headed by well-known businessman and racehorse owner Andy Stewart, who has enjoyed tremendous success with four-time Ladbrokes World Hurdle hero Big Buck's. One of Andy's sons, Paul, suffered a severe spinal injury in a snowboarding accident in December, 2008, and was paralysed from the waist down. He was initially told by doctors that he would never walk again but he is embarking on a remarkable challenge next year when participating in an Ironman/Quadathalon-style event. |
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1 F25-21 Wishfull Thinking27 9 11-12 Philip Hobbs38 162 131 167
2 F314-3 Menorah39 7 11-10 Philip Hobbs38 160 133 168 3 1113-P Hunt Ball28 7 11-7 Keiran Burke 157 144 172 4 11P2-1 Cristal Bonus42 6 11-7 Paul Nicholls61 157 138 164 5 468-13 Ghizao21 8 11-5 Paul Nicholls61 155 125 169 6 2175-P Quantitativeeasing28 7 11-3 Nicky Henderson76 153 143 157 7 345P-2 Walkon28 7 10-12 Alan King60 Robert Thornton 148 143 170 8 715U- Tatenen245 8 10-11 Richard Rowe 147 129 167 9 6050-6 Tartak56 9 10-9 Tim Vaughan33 145 161 171 10 17-13 Nadiya De La Vega28 6 10-9 Nicky Henderson76 145 163 169 11 1721-4 Astracad29 6 10-8 Nigel Twiston-Davies75 144 166 170 12 1323F- Notus De La Tour275 6 10-8 David Pipe53 144 153 166 13 24-5P6 Micheal Flips14 8 10-6 Andy Turnell50 Nick Scholfield 142 160 173 14 4910F- Quiscover Fontaine245 8 10-5 W P Mullins88 141 — — 15 PP-343 Renard14 7 10-4 Venetia Williams57 140 163 171 16 13-51P Golden Chieftain35 7 10-2 Colin Tizzard67 138 105 172 17 U047-0 Divers56 8 10-2 Ferdy Murphy18 138 161 171 18 3602-3 De Boitron35 8 10-1 Ferdy Murphy18 137 138 169 19 211FP Kingsmere28 7 10-1 Henry Daly75 137 116 170 20 305338 Imperial Shabra14 8 10-1 Patrick O Brady75 R P Treacy 137 147 162 21 09P0-2 Hell´s Bay40 10 9-13 Keiran Burke 135 125 150 22 12432/ Have You Seen Me611 9 9-9 Nigel Twiston-Davies75 131 — — 23 65-113 Unioniste29 4 9-8 Paul Nicholls61 137 146 170 Anyone know the max field size for definite?? I was positive it was 20 but RP says 17??? |
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This race will be restricted to 17 runners plus two reserves. The two reserves will
be nominated as R18 and R19. 17 it tis |
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David Pipe @DavidPipeRacing
Confirmed Notus de la Tour for the December Gold Cup @CheltenhamRaces on Saturday - he schooled this morning and jumped very well. |
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Thanks BJG
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Nicholls has been busting stats for years and things have changed in the last couple of years with less exposed horses going handicapping sooner as they can find themselves rated over 150 for a couple of decent novice wins eg. Houblon Des Obeaux. I must admit to having a slight doubt about his jumping in a big field which we obviously can't be certain about plus I wonder whether they'll run him from out of the handicap but there are usually doubts over 11-1 shots. I think they will run him, though, as a win in an ordinary decent novice chase would probably see him into the mid/late 140s anyway.
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Going against the grain here but I like Ghizao. His form a couple of seasons ago with Captain Chris looks fantastic,gave 10lbs and beat him 4.5L His form last season was poor but his 2 runs this term, especially with CC again, tells you he is in good order. If CC was in this off 155 (11-5) he would not be 16s.
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Think we might have a good few defections if the weather forecast proves correct. Heavy rain forecast for Friday. Ground could easily go 'heavy' come Saturday.
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Walkon still the one for me on paper, particularly as he has won on Soft/Heavy a couple of times and has the right profile for the race like last years winner Quantativeeasing.
Going to wait for final decs before deciding whether he is a bet. I can see the appeal with Ghizao to a degree, esp at 16/1, but for me he just does not look happy in big fields. I would not back him until he is declared because connections have expressed a preference for smaller field races. If they did not think that suited him best then they would not have run him in the Amlin last time out (7 runners) and pushed his mark up 5lb. They would have just come straight here imo. |
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Had a bit on Ghizao at 25s+ on here with a view to hopefully laying off at half the price on the day for a freebie, surely connections will be keen to have this run in the race. Also had a few bob on Notus DLT as can see this one nearly being favourite on the day especially if the Nicholl's 4YO doesn't get a run. The G1 form in Ireland surely makes this one look one of the more likely candidates. Walk On has the appearance of one of those horses that might be unlucky and just keep finding one or two too good in these races, though I could be proved wrong (again). Good Luck to all players.
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Anyone know if Wishful Thinking is definitely running?
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I think he goes for the Peterborugh.
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Then Menorah?
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Actually dont know. Might be getting them mixed up.
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Basically I don't want Hunt Ball off 11st 12 - would mean the horse I was thinking of would have a liability on board and carry more weight whereas if the top weights stayed in then the liability couldn't do the weight.
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Remain of the my original view that NDLT is well treated on his form with Walkon and with his novice form in general in light of what has happened so far this season. Played at 12s and think that's very fair.
See Nicholls quoted today in RP saying that Unionist has another entry at weekend and anyway may just wait for the Feltham |
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connections want to run unioniste in this, think the novice entry is a precaution in case he doesnt get in
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Nicholls on Unioniste " He's also in the Novice Chase on Friday, we may wait for the Feltham over Christmas"
 hopefully the owners win |
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anyone like astracad...think he might be ready for a big run
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