Horse Antepost
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
29 Oct 12
16:06
Joined:
Date Joined:
14 Nov 01
Record on seasonal debut:
1/1/1/1/1/4 (the 4 being behind two of the finest chasers in recent memory)
Yard in form, trip, track, ground should be fine.
Not sure I'd have him as the 12/1 joint 7th best here....??
1/1/1/1/1/4 (the 4 being behind two of the finest chasers in recent memory)
Yard in form, trip, track, ground should be fine.
Not sure I'd have him as the 12/1 joint 7th best here....??
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 84
|
By:
Not sure he is the same horse HM ? Last 3 runs have been disappointing. I see the first time out angle, but if anything I am surprised the Hennessy GC is not an option. His mark is 5lb lower than when he won the race and his form figures at the course are 11311.
|
|
By:
You'd have to say the price is tempting but I backed him last year and he was taken out on the day of the race and Wetherby ground could be a bit quick for him unless they get a lot of rain. agree if he runs he must have a big chance. I'm more inclined to think he was wrong last season and may have had a hard race in The Betfair Chase. If he's right this year then 151 would be interesting for The Hennessy.
|
|
By:
Agree with both posts tbh.
Problem with Dirty is that he could still be declared and wake up with a poorly foot on the day. Not sure I could back him AP. Defo a horse to back when fresh however and whilst like sint he could be very fairly treated in a handicap, very attractive price for a graded event - think he'd be suited by the course as well. |
|
By:
will be interesting to see how weights are framed weird al at the mo for me
|
|
By:
It's an interesting one. First time out is definitely when to catch him. Maybe his injury finished him (I think it probably did), but maybe not. Personally I would run him in the Hennessey FTO of his current mark. If he is fit and well again he'd have a great chance which would be waster by running in the Charlie Hall. I guess we'll know if that's a possibility tomorrow.
|
|
By:
Taking into account his fragility they might just run him on Saturday in case he's not right by the time the Hennessy comes along.
|
|
By:
Time For Rupert was 2nd in this last year when having just his 4th chase start. His 5th in the GC is the strongest form on offer imo even though Weird Al beat him last season, but he'll have a penalty. 7/1 for TFR is OK if he were to run.
The likes of Cappa Bleu are also entered in the big handicap at Ascot and he'll surely be aimed at Aintree all season for the grand national. |
|
By:
If DH turns up on soft ground, I'd fancy him to beat this lot. He will get the allowances as well from most of the others here. I know Weird Al beat him at Haydock, but with no Kauto or Long Run to keep tabs with he will last longer and receive weight. Re the Hennessy, the weights are framed this week I believe so the handicap mark shouldn't be affected. Would still have a month to freshen him up also.
|
|
By:
Firstly, I should state I am a long way from being a Diamond Harry fan. He's not a horse I'm drawn to but this price looks wrong imo.
He'll be receiving weight off everything in the race bar Planet Of Sound, Roberto Goldback and Wayward Prince. SC and FL give him 5lb, TFR 6lb, Weird Al and Midnight Chase 10lb. It's quite possible he's 'gone', of course, but if you're ever going to play him it's first time up and the price compensates for those doubts I reckon. More of a worry is if they fancy Newbury but with all his issues would a run in that most bruising of races suit? Not sure I'd point him in that direction. |
|
By:
Shock, I think the Hennessey weights are framed next Tuesday. I'm not sure whether that means races this coming weekend will be assessed?
|
|
By:
On the Henn, it's racecourse performances up to and including Nov 11th that can be taken into account.
|
|
By:
useful to know that^^^
|
|
By:
Yes, cheers as always HM
|
|
By:
Midnight Chase for me if he turns up. Ground should be goodish based on a dry week forecasted, and can't see another obvious front runner in the field. Might just have many of these under pressure if he jumps and gets into a nice rhythm. Track obviously a question mark given his preference for Cheltenham.
|
|
By:
nick williams seems to have his team well forward and a fair few 1st time out winners, and if the ground is on the softish side then i think he could run a big race ! 12/1 is too big imo , but will he run if the ground is good though? or will they wait for the hennesey .
|
|
By:
Cheers for info HM. Well with that info in mind, you can only decide that if DH turns up he's there to win(if still good enough). Will blow the handicap mark with a big run. Can't back Ante Post too many ifs.
|
|
By:
Corporal, ran a decent race round there last season, change of tactics then too.
|
|
By:
Also a Midnight Chase fan, his grinding effort around the track last Boxing Day is not to be underestimated IMO. Mulholland is sounding reasonably bullish as well, which can only be taken as a positive? Hoping First Lieutenant shows up to throw in some quality novice form into the mix, as I'm still not quite sure what to make of S Conti's - although I'm edging towards the side of cation (a la pacha du polder).
Does anyone think that the national may have left a mark on Weird Al? He certainly didn't have a good time... |
|
By:
this is not a handicap headmaster i am not entirely sure how the weights are framed but just because a horse has a inferior o r it doesnt mean he will recieve weight from a rival with a greater o r will be interesting to view the weights later this morning
|
|
By:
Boy Wonder it's a conditions race and weights are allotted based on wins since last September. More weight for a better class win etc.
|
|
By:
ok thanks
|
|
By:
I'm trying very hard not to give a sarky answer, bw07! I would say, however, that I've been watching Charlie Halls for over 30 years and am fully aware it's not a handicap. Here are the weights for you, old chap:
Master of The Hall(IRE)11 10 Midnight Chase 11 10 Weird Al (IRE) 11 10 Mr Moonshine (IRE) 11 6 Time For Rupert (IRE) 11 6 First Lieutenant (IRE) 11 5 Silviniaco Conti (FR) 11 5 Cannington Brook (IRE) 11 4 Cappa Bleu (IRE) 11 4 Garleton (IRE) 11 4 Diamond Harry 11 0 Planet of Sound 11 0 Roberto Goldback (IRE) 11 0 Wayward Prince 11 0 |
|
By:
If you knew Diamond Harry was going to run, 10-1 getting weight from the likes of Master Of The Hall, Midnight Chase and Weird Al, and 6lbs from Mr Moonshine, would make him one of the bets of the season. Surely they wouldn't be thinking of running him if he wasn't showing the right signs at home.
|
|
By:
Weights 11st Penalties after September 30th, 2011, a winner of a Class 3 weight-for-age chase or a Class 2 handicap chase 4lb; of a Class 2 weight-for-age chase or a Class 1 handicap chase 6lb; of a Class 1 weight-for-age chase10lb (Half penalties for wins achieved in Novices' and Beginners' Chases in Great Britain and Ireland) Allowances mares 7lb
|
|
By:
sorry headmaster didnt mean it disrespectfully i have just bet diamond harry off 11st this could be a procession i had great lift off him in the hennessy and i am hoping for the same
|
|
By:
No worries, bw
 Now the weights have been fed into the RP database he comes out clear on RPRs. Whether he's gone, gets injured, is steered towards Newbury or whatever, I can't get him out to 10/1 (although 12 was nicer, natch). We'll see. As stated, he's a horse I'm not drawn to so fully expecting to be disappointed. |
|
By:
this is his gold cup i think williams will have him spot on
|
|
By:
Weather forecast is for rain over next 3 days so going should be perfect. It's pretty damp outside now but i'm about 15 mile away.
|
|
By:
sounds good i will shout him home from the dine and view balcony
|
|
By:
Want to back him, prepared to lose a couple of points to get NRNB
|
|
By:
I'm with you Roo
|
|
By:
Of course there is another potential engima in the race in the shape of Wayward Prince. 33/1 is interesting but whilst have no idea if the owner can train, the horse might be sparked into life for a change of scenery as he certainly seemed to fall out of love with the game.
|
|
By:
That's bizarre. I don't normally have this thought but looked up his trainer to see if he'd moved, thinking exactly that roo. Can't remember where I looked it up but it defo said Williams still.
That is interesting as he's young enough to come back. Hilary Parrott anyone? |
|
By:
I see its confirmed that Dirty definitely going for the race. Nervous of him waking up with a headache but have played at 10s and will top up post decs.
Also decided to have a little e/w on Wayward Prince. |
|
By:
SILVINIACO CONTI, an impressive winner at Aintree last spring, has been heavily supported to make a winning seasonal reappearance in Saturday's Grade 2 Bet365 Charlie Hall Chase at Wetherby.
The Paul Nicholls-trained six-year-old tumbled in price from a top quote of 7-2 on Tuesday morning and is now generally 5-2 favourite, with the sponsors forecasting he will shorten still further in the run-up to the big race. Pat Cooney, head trader for Bet365, said: "Silviniaco Conti was 3-1 when we opened our book, and he has been backed to the exclusion of everything else, down to 5-2. "I think the punters have seen Ruby Walsh by his name, and realised that he could have gone to Ascot for any number of good rides, yet is going all the way north for Silviniaco Conti. "When Nicholls and Walsh combine in the feature race on a Saturday it often spells disaster for bookmakers. We have big liabilities on the horse at the moment, and I can only see them increasing as the week goes on. Punters remember Silviniaco Conti being very heavily backed at Aintree, and I am sure his price will shorten again." Among his rivals on Saturday will be Diamond Harry who was well fancied for the race last year when ruled out on the day. Jane Williams, wife of his trainer Nick, said: "He's got more excuses than any schoolboy with his homework but he is well and we are happy with him at the moment. "He is very big and very fragile but on the course he is a magnificent horse. I think we have ironed out most of his problems unless he has found a new one!" |
|
By:
I wouldn't be surprised if this is SC's Gold Cup. Im not sure he is good enough to win the Grade 1's unless they are weak affairs.
|
|
By:
But then the same theory could apply to all of them
 |
|
By:
Does Wayward Prince run here Roo or at Ascot? Is he in the G3 handicap?
|
|
By:
Does Wayward Prince run here Roo or at Ascot? Is he in the G3 handicap?
|