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Camelot, Bonfire, Main Sequence, Astrology, Imperial Monarch, Thoughtworthy, Mickdaam, Rugged Cross, Father Of Snce, Twer Rck, Minimise Risk
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....and Cavaleiro.
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Knew there was one missin
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With 5 of them Ballydoyle the Derby could have less than 10 runners.
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Field of 12 set to contest Investec Derby at @EpsomRacecourse at 6-day entry stage. Camelot one of 5 Aidan O'Brien entries.
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Yep, I think we'd sorted that out already, AD!
Decs would be handy if you know them, though.... |
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Investec Derby (Group 1) (CLASS 1) (3yo) BBC1
Good To Firm 1m4f10y 1 133-1 Astrology 22 3 9-0 A P O´Brien 48 — 104 129 bay colt Galileo (IRE) — Ask For The Moon (FR) (Dr Fong (USA)) Derrick Smith 11May12 Chs 10Sft C13yG3 31K 8-12 1/4 (11L Oxford Charley 8-12) 11/10F J P O'Brien 108 * * 08Oct11 Nmk 8Gd C12yG3 19K 9-0 3/8 (2¼L Rockinante 9-0) 11/8F J P O'Brien — * * 20Aug11 Cur 7Gd 2yG2 49K 9-1 3/8 (2½L Dragon Pulse 9-1) 5/1 David McCabe — * * 11Aug11 Leo 8Gd 2y 10K 9-0 1/9 (2L Canaille 9-0) 10/1 David McCabe — * * 2 13-1 Bonfire 16 3 9-0 Andrew Balding 61 Jimmy Fortune — 124 133 bay colt Manduro (GER) — Night Frolic (Night Shift (USA)) Highclere Thoroughbred Racing-Pocahontas 17May12 Yor 10Gd C13yG2 85K 9-0 1/7 (¾L Ektihaam 9-0) 3/1 Jimmy Fortune 108 * * 30Oct11 Sai 8VSft 2yG1 123K 9-0 3/11 (1¾L French Fifteen 9-0) 13/2 Jimmy Fortune — * * 28Sep11 Sal 8Sft C42yMd 4K 9-3 1/14 (2L Cubanita 8-12) 7/2F David Probert — * * 3 11-1 Camelot 28 3 9-0 A P O´Brien 48 — 123 136 bay colt Montjeu (IRE) — Tarfah (USA) (Kingmambo (USA)) D Smith, Mrs J Magnier, M Tabor 05May12 Nmk 8GS C13yG1 213K 9-0 1/18 (nk French Fifteen 9-0) 15/8F J P O'Brien 119 * * 22Oct11 Don 8Gd C12yG1 131K 9-0 1/5 (2¼L Zip Top 9-0) 10/11F J P O'Brien — * * 14Jul11 Leo 8Gd 2y 10K 9-1 1/5 (2L All Approved 9-3) 1/3F J P O'Brien — * * 4 3211-3 Cavaleiro 21 3 9-0 Marcus Tregoning 83 Hayley Turner — 84 110 chestnut colt Sir Percy — Khibraat (Alhaarth (IRE)) Guy Brook 12May12 Lin 12St C13yG3 34K 8-12 3/8 (6¾L Main Sequence 8-12) 20/1 Richard Mullen 90 * * 16Sep11 Nby 8GS C22y 9K 9-2 1/7 (nk Harvard N Yale 9-2) 11/1 Richard Mullen 84 * * 24Aug11 Chp 8GF C52yMd 2K 9-3 1/10 (3L Dont Take Me Alive 9-3) 2/7F Hayley Turner 84 * * 04Aug11 San 8GS C52yMd 3K 9-3 2/9 (3¼L Martin Chuzzlewit 9-3) 9/4 Seb Sanders — * * 22Jul11 Asc 7GS C32yMd 6K 9-3 3/11 (2¾L Caledonian Spring 9-3) 8/1 Pat Dobbs — * * 26Jun11 Sal 7GF C42yMd 3K 9-3 3/8 (2¼L Shamrocked 9-3) 7/1 Tadhg O'Shea — * * 5 51 Father Of Science 24 3 9-0 A P O´Brien 48 — 86 102 bay colt Galileo (IRE) — Kasora (IRE) (Darshaan) Mrs John Magnier 09May12 Chs 10Sft C43yMd 6K 9-3 1/13 (2¾L Star For Life 9-3) 5/2F J P O'Brien — * * 29Apr12 Nav 10Y/Sft 3y 5K 9-5 5/11 (11½L Karatash 9-5) 9/4F J P O'Brien — * * 6 1-1 Imperial Monarch 35 3 9-0 A P O´Brien 48 — 61 127 bay colt Galileo (IRE) — Ionian Sea (Slip Anchor) Mrs John Magnier, M Tabor & D Smith 28Apr12 San 10Hy C13yG3 31K 9-0 1/4 (1¾L Thought Worthy 9-0) 11/8F J P O'Brien — * * 10Sep11 Cur 8Y/Sft 2y 8K 9-0 1/19 (3½L Azamata 9-0) 6/1 Seamie Heffernan — * * 7 11-11 Main Sequence 21 3 9-0 David Lanigan 50 Ted Durcan — 103 112 chestnut colt Aldebaran (USA) — Ikat (IRE) (Pivotal) Niarchos Family 12May12 Lin 12St C13yG3 34K 8-12 1/8 (¾L Shantaram 8-12) 3/1 Ted Durcan 98 * * 19Apr12 Nmk 10Gd C33yHc 9K 9-6 1/8 (½L Ahzeemah 8-11) 2/1F Ted Durcan 89 * * 19Oct11 Nmk 9Gd C42yHc 3K 9-6 1/12 (3¼L Open Water 9-6) 7/2F Ted Durcan 79 * * 15Sep11 Yar 8Gd C52yMd 3K 9-3 1/12 (1¼L Almuftarris 9-3) 50/1 George Baker — * * 8 621421 Mickdaam 23 3 9-0 Richard Fahey 45 — 113 126 bay colt Dubawi (IRE) — Ribot´s Guest (IRE) (Be My Guest (USA)) Sheikh Mohammed Bin Khalifa Al Maktoum 10May12 Chs 12Sft C13yG3 31K 8-12 1/5 (nse Model Pupil 8-12) 8/1 Tony Hamilton 104 * * 19Apr12 Nmk 10GS C23y 135K 9-3 2/14 (½L Rougemont 9-3) 5/1 Jamie Spencer 112 * * 31Mar12 Mey 10St 3yG2 774K 8-9 4/14 (3¼L Daddy Long Legs 8-9) 9/2 Christophe Soumillon 112 * * 10Mar12 Mey 10St 3yL 96K 8-9 1/13 (2¼L Surfer 8-8) 6/4F Christophe Soumillon 109 * * 09Feb12 Mey 8St 3yG3 96K 8-9 2/9 (¼L Kinglet 8-9) 7/1 Christophe Soumillon 100 * * 12Jan12 Mey 7St 3y 19K 8-9 6/14 (3L Dark Matter 9-4) 7/1 Christophe Soumillon 80 * * 9 215 Minimise Risk 23 3 9-0 Andrew Balding 61 Jamie Spencer — 91 114 bay colt Galileo (IRE) — Dararita (IRE) (Halo (USA)) Mrs Fitri Hay 10May12 Chs 12Sft C13yG3 31K 8-12 5/5 (7¼L Mickdaam 8-12) 8/1 Jamie Spencer 92 * * 21Apr12 Nby 11Sft C43yMd 5K 9-3 1/9 (hd Uriah Heep 9-3) 15/8F Jamie Spencer — * * 31Mar12 Don 10Gd C53yMd 2K 9-3 2/13 (1¼L Zaina 8-12) 9/1 Jimmy Fortune — * * 10 51-3 Rugged Cross 14 3 9-0 Henry Candy 75 Dane O'Neill — 104 120 bay colt Cape Cross (IRE) — Lunda (IRE) (Soviet Star (USA)) Thomas Barr 19May12 Nmk 10GF C13yL 18K 9-0 3/5 (1L Thought Worthy 9-0) 9/2 Dane O'Neill 98 * * 19Aug11 Yor 7GS C22yMd 16K 9-3 1/17 (2½L Storming Bernard 9-3) 18/1 Dane O'Neill — * * 15Jul11 Nby 7GF C42yMd 4K 9-3 5/9 (3¼L Jungle Beat 9-3) 8/1 Dane O'Neill — * * 11 1-21 Thought Worthy 14 3 9-0 John Gosden 83 William Buick — 101 123 bay colt Dynaformer (USA) — Vignette (USA) (Diesis) George Strawbridge 19May12 Nmk 10GF C13yL 18K 9-0 1/5 (nk Noble Mission 9-5) 15/8J William Buick 106 * * 28Apr12 San 10Hy C13yG3 31K 9-0 2/4 (1¾L Imperial Monarch 9-0) 9/2 William Buick 88 * * 11Oct11 Ncs 8Sft C52yMd 3K 9-0 1/13 (¾L Silver Blaze 9-0) 6/1 William Buick — * * 12 613-32 Tower Rock 20 3 9-0 A P O´Brien 48 — 100 126 bay colt Dylan Thomas (IRE) — Monevassia (USA) (Mr Prospector (USA)) Michael Tabor 13May12 Leo 10GS 3yG2 51K 9-3 2/5 (¼L Light Heavy 9-3) 9/1 Seamie Heffernan 101 * * 15Apr12 Leo 10Gd 3yG3 25K 9-3 3/7 (4L Light Heavy 9-3) 20/1 Seamie Heffernan 101 * * 06Nov11 Leo 9Y 2yL 21K 9-1 3/7 (2½L Call To Battle 9-1) 9/1 Seamie Heffernan — * * 19Oct11 Nav 8Sft 2y 8K 9-5 1/18 (¾L Diplomat 9-5) 5/1 Seamie Heffernan — * * 05Oct11 Nav 8Sft 2y 8K 9-0 6/17 (13½L Quote Of The Day 9-0) 8/1 Seamie Heffernan — * * |
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Judging from the market I still think Imperial or, less probably, Astrology may be re-routed to France?
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Paddy Power
Betting W/O Camelot Bonfire 13/8 Main Sequence 9/2 Astrology 9/2 Imperial Monarch 5/1 Thought Worthy 10/1 Father Of Science 16/1 Mickdaam 16/1 Rugged Cross 20/1 Tower Rock 28/1 Minimise Risk 33/1 Cavaleiro 33/1 |
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Some of the other trainers are going to have to start colluding with each other to stop AOB setting the pace terms for races like this. It's not certain Camelot will stay so what will Ballydoyle do? Have a couple of pacesetters go a comfortable pace early to try and get Camelot to settle ,but I doubt they'll
go hard from a long way out. Whereas if Astrology was their No 1 ,the pacemakers would be flat out from a long way out to the advantage of Astrolgys stamina. Some times with people who take advantage you've got to fight fire with fire. Though there is a problem in executing this in that you've got to have entered horse in these races well in advance and wereas AOB has no problem running quality animals into the ground to enhance their stud value of another horse most other trainers haven't got that kind of luxury. It's difficult to argue 8/11 for a horse that hasn't run beyond a mile is value, but he'll have the early pace run to suit him which can only be an additional advantage. |
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At the current price Camelot doesn't interest me however he is the obvious winner on paper! Imperial Monarch if he runs would be worth a small investment at the current price of 18/1 tho!
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Astrology and Imperial Monarch have been left in the French Derby this morning. AOB's other Epsom Derby entries have been taken out of it.
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Disappointingly, the Jockey Club looks a lot, lot deeper than our race
 Kesampour, Albion, Saint Baudolino, Hard Dream, Top Trip, Lunayir....any of those would grace Epsom. Bucket load of 12f colts in there too, what's wrong with some of these trainers and owners, I wonder??? |
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bjg, sorry but how do you know theyve been left in etc, the forfeit stage is tomorrow on the a/post market on here,
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First forf today, second tomoz.
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1 KESAMPOUR M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** S.A. AGA KHAN M. DELZANGLES 130.600
2 LUNAYIR M.PS. 3 a. 58 *** H.H. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 26.100 3 Ektihaam Ire M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** HAMDAN AL MAKTOUM R. VARIAN 64.012 4 FRENCH FIFTEEN M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** CHEIK ABDULLAH BIN KHALIFA AL T N. CLEMENT 352.459 5 Hermival Ire M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** H.H. CHEIK MOHAMMED BIN KHALIFA M. DELZANGLES 72.500 6 ASTROLOGY IRE M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 61.871 7 ENERGIZER GER M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** GESTUT SCHLENDERHAN J. HIRSCHBERGER 35.300 8 AMARON GB M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** GESTUT WINTERHAUCH A. LOWE 123.195 9 SAINT BAUDOLINO IRE M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** GODOLPHIN SNC A. FABRE 64.100 10 GREGORIAN IRE M.PS. 3 a. 58 *** PCSSE HAYA DE JORDANIE J. GOSDEN 24.527 11 Silver Northern M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** MAURICE LEGUILLON D. CHENU 55.750 12 JUNGLE BEAT IRE M.PS. 3 a. 58 *** M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER/D.SMITH J. GOSDEN 5.985 13 COUPE DE VILLE IRE M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** MACDONALD/WRIGHT/CREED/& CO RM. HANNON 365.137 14 IMPERIAL MONARCH IRE M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 47.691 15 Triumphant Ire M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 15.450 16 Vault Ire M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 31.230 17 MAIN SEQUENCE USA M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** FAMILLE NIARCHOS DR. LANIGAN 60.887 18 HARD DREAM (IRE) M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** PANDORA STUD LLC F. ROHAUT (S) 96.300 19 Sir Jade M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** GUY PARIENTE JM. CAPITTE (S) 64.550 20 Tifongo M.Ps. 3 A. 58 495 GUY PARIENTE HA. PANTALL 66.500 21 Most Improved (Ire) M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** IRAJ PARVIZI BJ. MEEHAN 46.004 22 Albion Gb M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** MLLE KIRSTEN RAUSING A. FABRE 59.900 23 Valdo Bere M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** LUIGI ROVEDA E. LEENDERS 49.550 24 COUP DE THEATRE M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** ANTOINE SAUTY DE CHALON P. VAN DE POELE (S) 46.300 25 VOLA E VA GB M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** SCUDERIA BLUEBERRY SRL GRIZZETTI GALOPPO 72.573 26 HIDDEN FLAME IRE M.PS. 3 a. 58 *** R.C. STRAUSS R. COLLET (S) 3.400 27 SAONOIS M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** PASCAL TREYVE JP. GAUVIN 134.300 28 TOP TRIP (GB) M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** JOERG VASICEK F. DOUMEN (S) 116.400 29 Nutello Usa M.Ps. 3 A. 58 *** WERTHEIMER & FRERE C. LAFFON-PARIAS 54.250 30 SOFAST M.PS. 3 A. 58 *** WERTHEIMER & FRERE F. HEAD (S) 179.995 |
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thanx hm, bjg, surely coolmore will have either imp mon/ast in the race, imo the former
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Camelot
Has run three times, all over 8f. Won his last race by a neck and 7 seconds above standard. Epsom is a different test. I'm a sceptic. |
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Pedigree gurus which are the absolute guaranteed stayers?
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Imeprial Monarch is definitely bred for 1m4f, Astrology may be more and Camelot look to have 10f breeding.
Main Sequence has no chance of staying on pedigree but of course has already won over the ditance at Lingfield?? |
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Am I missing something? Or can someone suggest to me why you are able to back Imperial Monarch at the same price as that of Thought Worthy a horse whom he has already beaten by 1 3/4lengths whilst giving away 8 lengths by taking the longer route at Sandown in search of better ground! John Gosden the trainer of Thought Worthy himself said the ground was virtually the same that day and he was impressed by Imperial Monarch! Now either one is over priced or the other is under priced! Can anyone shed some light on this?
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imperial will b 12 or 10 once confirmed a definate runner the other is todays speculative gamble
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You think he will be confirmed as a definate runner sinfin?
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rumour has it, that theyre hoping for good to soft for friday
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bruce im only guessing but like everybody i think one of astro logy or imperial will go to france but i wished they make there mind up its days away now
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If Imperial was owned by someone else I'd be all over it. As it is we don't know if it will run and if it does what it's role will be.
Declaring 5 is not cricket IMO unless they all run. They surely must know which are going to Epsom by now. |
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what about the oaks, are all 7 running
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Imperial Monarch a big drifter on here today and no money on the lay side.
But given he is screaming out on pedigree for 1m4f I don't see the sense in switching to France where it's only 10f. I see a similar race as when High Chapperal beat (outstayed) Hawkwing - maybe this time they desperately want to let the 2nd best horse (Camelot) win  |
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Yeah I hope he is declared as a runner to be honest I think he could go very close indeed! I can't have any of the others apart from Camelot but at the price I would rather sit it out!
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Racing Post @Racing_Post
A decision on whether Father Of Science and Tower Of Rock will run in the Derby will be made in the morning. Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1m Racing Post @Racing_Post Imperial Monarch will be aimed at Sunday’s French Derby subject to the ground trainer Aidan O’Brien has said. Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 2m Racing Post @Racing_Post Joseph O’Brien will ride Camelot in Saturday’s Derby. Ryan Moore will be on Astrology. |
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thx turnip
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no worries
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Aidan O Brien only running Astrology and Camelot
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9 runners
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I am seriously hacked off with a number of French handlers.
WABOCs imo - do they not want to win the Derby?!? |
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a 9 runner derby. Interesting to see how the race is run. Especially when I am not sure that Astrology will be certain to set the pace.
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Thought Worthy has front run in his last 2 races and given that he looks a horse that appears to have more stamina than pace, there must me a strong chance he will make the running at an average pace. First time Ballydoyle haven't run pacemakers in the
race for a good few years, unless astrology is to take up the role (I think this is unlikley with Moore on board ). These things are never set in stone and it's impossible to be sure what will happen but if Thought Worthy doesn't set the pace they could go slow ,which would probably favour the pacier types, Camelot and Bonfire. Interestingly when Workforce won in a track record they didn't go that quick early and the O'brien pacemaking outsider At first sight looked like he'd nicked it at one stage. The race is too complicated for me and I won't be betting in it. |
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the race is an eway dream.
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Surely Bonfire is an ew bet to nothing. Can't see him being out of the money. Race unlikely to be run at a mad gallop which will surely be to his advantage
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agree mark, they all going on about him not staying, but many derby winners have been doubtful to get the trip, like you say nothing there to take them at a mad gallop, so a good 10 furlong horse will be in his element , , trouble is this will suit the fav as well. why do you think there not in heavy mobbed as usual.
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