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By:
unclepuncle
When: 08 Dec 11 20:18
Tipped Calgary Bay for the Paddy Power so will have to give him another chance at the price - he ran badly first time lst season and then hosed up on his next start so hopefully similar pattern this year.
By:
duffy
When: 09 Dec 11 11:20
slightly worried about them having more rain than normal last night with regards divers...don't want anymore....it was a bit more rain overnight last time that worked against him......if he can just jump a few more fences better will surely see him go close....ground permitting.
By:
duffy
When: 09 Dec 11 11:24
no rain forecast for today or overnightHappy
By:
judorick
When: 09 Dec 11 12:11
Well I have had to decide that Great Endeavour could confirm the Paddy Power form. He runs here off 157 and if he really is a 170+ horse he should win. Might have Salut Flo on my side just in case and at the price it is cheap enough to bet him.

Great Endeavour  2pts ew 8/1
Salut Flo 0.5 pts ew 16/1
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 13:32
Is he supposed to be a 170 horse then ? I never realised connections had such pretensions tbh ..
By:
judorick
When: 09 Dec 11 13:35
That's just my assessment Sint - he could well be up there under the right conditions. Might be tomorrow, we shall see
By:
duffy
When: 09 Dec 11 13:58
that hennessy run must have taken it's toll.
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 17:04
Glad I only invested small on Calgary Bay as just gave his last run a review on video and he didn't jump that well, hit a couple, and has shades of Somersby about him. No idea what Henrietta Knight is up to these days but she hasn't done that well with some very talented stock. These two horses just dont jump that well but obviously hope I am proven wrong tomorrow. CB appears to have lots of things in his favour, ground,trip,handicap mark. it just depends whether the trainer has got him right.

It is a shame Great Endeavour ran in the Hennessy imo as I dont think the weight pull is enough for Quant and Divers to reverse form tbh, he gave them a convincing beating. But the Hennessy run may have taken the edge off him a bit ? 8/1 fair price though.

Still undecided about my main bet in the race! Laugh

Cant have Ghizao at any price. He can win without my cash.
By:
stevo1
When: 09 Dec 11 17:07
Think Roudoudou Ville can run big race, up in class but improving on at around 18s expecting decent run, with saver on Divers 10/1 shame about Lee though?
By:
Facts
When: 09 Dec 11 17:39
Ok - Divers and Great Endeavour for me.
By:
manyana
When: 09 Dec 11 17:39
think roberto  goldback has a very good chance, and with paddy on top even better. still a bit of 28/30 on here...think this will be 16/1 tomorrow.
By:
bazzar
When: 09 Dec 11 18:40
Sintonian, a possibility is that her man is ill and although she is an  honest and very capable trainer, worry could be an interference, she declares that the Spinal gold cup is CALGARY BAYS second choice, the 3.20 at Doncaster is the first choice.
By:
Zippie..the..hippie
When: 09 Dec 11 19:48
This looks oh so tough a puzzle to solve.

Ones I have been keen on

Great Endeavour ,

I backed him in the Hennessy and he ran a blinder over a trip too far prolly and surely it has left a mark , IS the best horse in the race imho and this mark might prove ok in time but just worried about that run

Ghizao

I have always loved this animal btu he has dissapointed me.
He can absolutely tank thru his races as he did early as a novice when I thought he was the second coming.
Remember this horse has beaten Captain Chris TWICE easily so he is capable of that type of form and this mark would be easily within his grasp if he could run up to his best. "nd time out might be the best time to catch him as last year he dissapointed first up running very fresh then hacked up next time over CC.
I simply can't let this one win without a few bob on

Quantitataveasing

This one has always shouted "Classy Staying Chaser " to me and will win a big one soon.
Has run well vs GE and Divers and could still be well handicapped
He might just find it a bit quick tomorrow although there was a VERY heavy shower today when I was there that has to have got in and who knows if the rain will miss.

Sunnyhillboy

How can you ignore this one , especially as AP has turned down a safe & fancied horse like Quant.
This has all the looks of a proper old fashioned Coup as is JP's want when planning a campaign for his horses.
Will satay all day / has the speed to win / has bits that make him look chucked in and a combo that land these things all the time, HOWEVER he always chucks in a stinker of a jump somewhere.
I so want to lump on this one off a light weight but simply can't see him NOT making at least one mistake on a tricky course in a top race run at a propper pace.

Roudoudou Ville

Victor Dartnall is an absolute genius with this type of staying chaser.
He brings them along quietly allowing them to fill their frames and become proper chasers , his brother Gerald does all of the home work on thier NICE horses and they are a very good judge of a horse but I feel the value has prob gone now after the Shoe tipped it up today.
If it went back out to 14/1 I would back it ew.

Divers

This one could be the one in a race that will be perfect for him.
I want to bet it at the 8's but that will be 80's if the rain comes so will have to take shorter just before the race if it's dry.
Ran a decent race in the PP and think this little bit extra will be perfect as they might just come back to him at the end if he is ridden quietly.
His mark is fine and he is obv like Chelt.
I cannot stand the trainer  but guess even HE wouldn't tug one in a race like this.
He didn't look too happy about Hennessy finishing 3rd today after it was miles behind and got gifted 3rd.

Imsingingtheblues

Without doubt the forgotten horse in the field as every one of us has probably backed this one and been let down before but this mark is deffinately NOT beyond him if he is in the mood.
He has run against some top nothers in his time and slaughtered them at Ascot.
The race could just be run to suit him as he can travel really well and does have a touch of class.
152 is within his capabilities and I would not be supprised if he was placed.

A tough tough race to bet in but thats what Sat handicapps are about.

Ghizao is a small bet for me

Imsingingtheblues 20/1+ e/w

If it rains Quantitat if not then Divers for me.

Then after all that I will sit and watch the race KNOWING AP is going to gagg up and land a monster punt with the surreal fealing we all get thinking "HOW THE FECK DID I NOT BACK THAT"

GL ALL
By:
penzance
When: 09 Dec 11 20:16
if CB is not going to run,why declare him in this race.
Maximumn field she's cost another runner a place in the line
up if that happens.
By:
judorick
When: 09 Dec 11 20:26
Salut Flo been well backed, took half a point ew at 16s wishing I had been braver now

betfred goes 10/1 and still shortening
By:
Iloveliamslips
When: 09 Dec 11 20:31
Tatenen will do 4 me off 145 and fresh. This horse is capable of posting 160 imo, on his form with Riverside Theatre first time last season and on his defeat by Follow the Plan way back. I do have a large Benedictine & Baileys at hand which maybe clouding my vision somewhat ....
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 20:33
Salut Flo needs soft ground.imo
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 20:34
An interesting runner fo shure Liam ..
By:
judorick
When: 09 Dec 11 20:35
that's why I only had 0.5 pt ew
By:
Iloveliamslips
When: 09 Dec 11 20:38
A.Thornton a deffo liability in a tight finish(maybe not so important nowadays) just hope he has him in the van from ze off. Salut flo deffo capable of more as well ...
By:
Keith Lard
When: 09 Dec 11 20:40
I'm strong on Medermit. Won the Haldon Gold Cup (albeit somewhat luckily) off 154 - racing tomorrow off 157. He's a genuine class one horse...his win in the Scilly Isles novice at Sandown was super impressive. Got taken off his feet a little in the arkle, but there's no disgrace in that - Captain Chris & Finian's Rainbow have turned out to be cracking sorts. The extra 5f will suit him and I can't have him out of the first four at 11/1+

The other one who could run well at a price is Matuhi. He won a class 2 handicap at Haydock in April off 135. Next time out he was going well in the Galway Plate before being brought down. 6lbs higher than previous win could well be within his range and at 30/1+ he'll be on my side too.

Great race on the cards. Looking forward to it. Good luck all, whatever your bets.
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 20:40
Liam. Tatenen, in the main, runs stinkers all the time .. even his win last season came out of the blue at 22/1 as he had shown phuck all before then imo. Cant have him meself.  Laugh
By:
judorick
When: 09 Dec 11 20:40
worth a poke at decent odds mate
By:
Keith Lard
When: 09 Dec 11 20:42
Oh, and to all those that put up Calgary Bay, I completely agree. I too was going to back him. He's 8/1 for the Doncaster race tomorrow. I think he's more than capable of repeating his 2009 exploits off a mark of 145.
By:
tomdeane
When: 09 Dec 11 20:44
Divers all day long for me. Will probably look to back him in running as he usually trades higher than at the off due to his early sticky jumping and being nursed into the race from a fair way back.

I'd be very disappointed if he's not involved. Seems to me the easiest angle to take on the whole race - he's better off with Quantitativeasing and Great Endeavour, has a perfect racing weight, and is the one who will really benefit from the decent ground. The race looks no better than the Paddy Power (it's probably weaker), so hard to see him not going very close indeed.

Medermit is interesting for the reasons you state, Keith, but I just don't like horses that hit flat spots in top-notch handicaps, and have never been convinced that he is in love with Cheltenham. All in all, I'd be a little disappointed if nothing proves better handicapped.
By:
Iloveliamslips
When: 09 Dec 11 20:44
First time last season was a Phukkkin good run sint. Golan way & Slakbencher behind giving them 7lb Love along with Riverside postig phatta figs after !!
By:
tomdeane
When: 09 Dec 11 20:46
Agree about Calgary Bay at Donny - looks to have a rattling good chance. That looks a weak race and I think he is another that doesn't especially love Cheltenham. making him a big danger at Doncaster.
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 20:47
LaughLaugh

OK, i'll give you that. Horse is still a liabilit though. At least he is ownder by the right man for the race though so you never know.
By:
Iloveliamslips
When: 09 Dec 11 20:49
Maybe dont like big fields, otherwise primed to expode all over Prestbury imvho Laugh
By:
Keith Lard
When: 09 Dec 11 20:54
Fair play Tom - you could well be right about his not liking Cheltenham, though he was second in the Supreme Novices. His record at the track reads 233724. Little disconcerting that he hasn't gotten his head in front there, but there's enough evidence there to suggest he'll at least place.
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 21:40
gone for an eachway poke on Quant. Geraghty got to be an inprovement on Tinkler lto and this horse looks the safest option,imo, amongst many contenders.

gl all.
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Dec 11 21:43
re CB .. surely Henrietta would rather be receiving weight from horses than having to concede lumps at Donny ?
By:
judorick
When: 09 Dec 11 21:44
great endeavour cant be out the frame surely, 3 win 5 place
By:
tomdeane
When: 09 Dec 11 21:54
sint - I'm not sure about that. He won off 11-10 in the race two years ago and might just be the sort of horse that prefers taking on lesser lights.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 09 Dec 11 22:34
Woolcombe Folly looks a big price to me.
By:
zilzal1
When: 09 Dec 11 22:48
Agree RH, he;s looked as if a step up might help although hes already won at 19f, Ryan gets on with him and rode him when he won the 2 miler at this meeting last year
By:
judorick
When: 10 Dec 11 00:05
Salut Flo continues to shorten, best priced now 11/1. Was 14s best price at 8pm.
By:
judorick
When: 10 Dec 11 01:46
can anyone explain how Sunnyhill Boy is favourite for this race? Other than McCoy riding him and doing light I see no reason to think he is suddenly going to spring to life. Beaten 7 lengths in this race last year off 3lb lower and 9lb better for 5 lengths with Great Endeavour  For me, he cannot win
By:
penzance
When: 10 Dec 11 01:57
he's the fav and CB,closely matched,going to Donny
probably.(7s & 25s)
By:
judorick
When: 10 Dec 11 09:11
poor old Scoobydo coulda got a run in the Spinal if Calgary Bay was declared a non runner before 9am on Friday

cow Hen Knight
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