Horse Antepost
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23 Aug 11
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Looked at this today and needless to say, if all the entries turn up it should be a great race for this rendition of what will always be the 'Vernons' to me
Pretty sure this will be run on the inside sprint track which has been faster all year so even with a wettish week, no guarantee there will be soft ground on the day. As several of the ones at the head of the market prefer a bit of cut, that may be a factor.
Watched the Nunthorpe again and can't help thinking Wizz Kid is the one I want to be on here, given he had a terrible trip yet still finished in front of Hoof It, only 2 lengths away. She will be the most unexposed in the race, has proved she's still in form after she beat Prohibit in June and it's a race fillies do well in.
At 25/1 she'll do for me
Pretty sure this will be run on the inside sprint track which has been faster all year so even with a wettish week, no guarantee there will be soft ground on the day. As several of the ones at the head of the market prefer a bit of cut, that may be a factor.
Watched the Nunthorpe again and can't help thinking Wizz Kid is the one I want to be on here, given he had a terrible trip yet still finished in front of Hoof It, only 2 lengths away. She will be the most unexposed in the race, has proved she's still in form after she beat Prohibit in June and it's a race fillies do well in.
At 25/1 she'll do for me
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I had just logged in to start a topic on this, I thought it strange that one of our biggest sprints of the year had no thread with just 10 days until the race.
Beaten to it so top stuff mate. Quite like Whizz Kid myself for all the reasons you state. Doubts about those at the head of the market too. Dream Ahead has to put an abysmal run behind him and Deacon Blues is racing against the big boys for the first time. |
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My thoughts about the leading contenders
DREAM AHEAD - IF he can bounce back to his July Cup form he should be the horse to beat imo. DEACON BLUES - Highly progressive sort and has been winning races very easily, too short for what he has beaten though. BATED BREATH - Trainer was less than confident that he would handle the ground lto, if he gets G/F must be respected, only defeat on G/F was in July Cup, 2 time CD winner too. SOCIETY ROCK - Ultra consistent sort, no idea why he is twice the price of DB tbh. Goes on most surfaces so may be a pretty decent ante post ew selection. Does he save his best for Ascot though? DELEGATOR - I wouldn't back him with stolen money, FAR to inconsistent, though obviously top class on a going day. ELZAAM - Not got to much to find against most of these and further progress may be possible given he is a lightly raced sort. ZOFFANY - Not sure what to make of this fellow? Ran a cracker in SJ Palace, I thought he dodged it in France on his next run then a stinker in the PMdeG. Trainer form a concern too? WOOTTON BASSETT - Disappointed this Season but a drop back to 6f could bring a return to form. Has always looked like a sprinter to me. BEWITCHED - Started fav for Golden Jubilee but flopped. Of the track since then so a problem maybe??? Was highly progressive before then so if fit and well I would expect a big run. WHIZZ KID - A progressive 3yo Filly. Won a very good Group2 race then ran a cracker lto in Nunthorpe, 2nd on the unfavoured side. Has all the allowances but is she really crying out for 6f? Currently 25/1, far to big imho At the moment I think that this looks and extremely tricky race to call. Fillies have a very decent record in this over the years so it would not surprise me to see Whizz Kid and Bewitched going well, of the colts Society Rock and Bated Breath would be the ones I would rely on for a good run. No bet for me yet, need to whittle that list of 4 down. Thoughts guys? |
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Had Dream Ahead down as the winner of this straight after the SJP, so was gutted to come back of my Hols and find out he won the July Cup
 Given the normal bit of cut they get in this race he could be tough to beat. Bewitched was backed off the boards for the Golden Jubilee (having made mince of Zoffany previously) but ran no sort of race (returned lame iirc) so has to be on anybody's shortlist Wootton Bassett an interesting recruit back to sprinting, but he doesn't really look like he's progressed from his 2 y/o career so best watched for me |
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Looking forward to seeing Temple Meads back out.
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Wootton Bassett
Actually ran a good race over 6.5 furlongs last time - just faded at the end. Could be interesting. |
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War Artist is interesting.Would have gone close in July Cup if he
had been drawn on stand side.His win at Dubai,giving over a stone away,to group horses,was amazing.Needs riding late for speed,and does not want it too soft |
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No rain this week forecast for Haydock, so I'm willing to take a punt on fast ground. This would be against the front 3 in market - Deacon Blues, Society Rock and Dream Ahead.
The AP value has to be Delegator and Bated Breath. |
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aaargh, Wizz Kid not declared..
Unless Kirkland overwaters, ground should be genuinely G/F on the faster inside sprint track. I like Hitchens and Genki to run better than their odds but confidently expect BATED BREATH to run a massive race and at 8/1 will be a player. His record on G/F or faster ground (all over 6f) is 1-1-1-2 (July Cup). Also a C& D winner and stable knows how to win this race |
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No rain this week forecast for Haydock, so I'm willing to take a punt on fast ground. This would be against the front 3 in market - Deacon Blues, Society Rock and Dream Ahead.
Since when was fast ground a negative for Society Rock? The only reason he was 25/1 at Royal Ascot is because people thought he wouldn't like the soft ground. And now he's a soft ground specialist? Personally, I think Society and Deacon will be fine on anything. |
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Since when was fast ground a negative for Society Rock? The only reason he was 25/1 at Royal Ascot is because people thought he wouldn't like the soft ground. And now he's a soft ground specialist? Personally, I think Society and Deacon will be fine on anything.
You just need to look at Society Rock's form for one. Bated Breath beat him comfortably at Haydock this year on good and quicker ground will be even more in Bated Breath's favour. Deacon Blues definitely wants cut. Jockeys like Dettori who have ridden him have reported as much. Fanshawe's stated it. It's a no brainer. They are both better with dig and it doesn't look like they're going to get it unless weather forecast changes dramatically. |
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Im also taking at a punt that will be GF so Hoof It has to be a danger, but at the prices on a flat track, I want to be with Elzaam. I accept however that next season may his year.
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I can't see Deacon Blues running here. The horse needs juice. Society Rock will be fine. As mentioned above, Bated Breath is the one at 8's.
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threat of a touch of rain today(about 1mm) and friday(1.2mm),lets hope the COC leaves the course unwatered and we have good decent flat racing ground
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half the battle in these Ante-post races is working out what the ground will be and what will run.
Deacon Blues - best 6f horse in the Uk on Good or softer ,did a great time at the curragh last time. Dream Ahead - basically an inconsistent horse. Won on cushioned fast ground ;he won't get the cushion here. My view is that the ground will be fast on Saturday and there is a decent chance that one or both of the above will not run and be saved for the Diadem. Hoof it- looked to have lost some condition prior to his York defeat. Has to be respected on ability grounds. Society Rock- tough and consistent has an E/w chance Bated BReath- looked in great condition at York and will likely have perfect conditions here. Delegator and Elzaam both likely to get ideal conditions. Bated breath looks the Ante post bet here at 8/1. His form is solid ,he's very consistent and will probably get ideal conditions. |
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Up until yesterday the likelihood of rain according to the forecast was nil.
Today I look and the forecast is for some rain Friday and more/plenty on Saturday. You must bear in mind however that it has been raining for a while already today, yet the forecast for all day today is 'mostly cloudy with some sun' Basically they don't have a clue. We will have some rain though, this is September in Haydock. I am going on the basis that with a mostly dry week with a bit of rain (don't think KT will need to get his can out) we're looking around goodish ground. The record of the Arab owners in this race is interesting and I already had Bated Breath and Dream Ahead as the 2 I wanted to be on, with a watchful eye on how Delegator and Elzaam were punted. |
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will always be the vernons to me as well op
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I live 17 miles from course and where we are the rain has come down in torrents on Monday for about 10 minutes and has rained intermittently every day for about 5 days before Monday and since then the same, but I do remember as a child watching it rain on a cornfield about twenty yards from my grandmothers house and the pavement was absolutely dry.
Be prepared for soft at least. |
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I am on Dream Ahead as I think he has the class. Ran four times at 6f never beaten and 3 of those were G1. A lot seem to fancy Bated Breath and claim the going will be in his favour yet dream Ahead beat him 1/2 L on GF? Bated Breath does have a 4lb pull but it looked as though Dream Ahead had trouble in running so not sure it'll be enough. As for the going I'm 35m from the track & we've had rain today (none forecast) & the dark clouds are still with us. Accept there's more experienced folk than me on here but I can only comment on what I see as being factual.
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Hitchens has decent e/w shout on run behind Dream Ahead 4 pounds better off for 2 lengths, as long as ground stays better than good?
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bazzar
are you serious when saying soft at least? |
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That's clinched it. Wait till the day, know what the ground is after all
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Deadly serious, plenty of rain 17 miles from course, this is why southerners believe that it ALWAYS rains in Manchester.
My umbrella has been in much use recently. |
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I'll stick to saying good ground. Currently good with a dry week forecast until the weekend. Says good to me.
Elisjohn good to hear, I hadn't seen so I'll look back through your posts. Cheers |
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I'm in Warrington, 6 miles away, and we've had nothing since sunday morning.
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Lets get this straight for the clueless people on here. There has been very liitle rain and as of 13.15 today the ground reminas as gd with gd/fm places on the sprint course. Rain is only due to hit Haydock later on in the afternoon on Saturday with no rain or little rain beforehand.
The ground is likley to be fast although there is always the possibility of the Saturday rain hitting earlier which we will know more on Thursday. |
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thanks lads,kept putting websites up and they were all saying hardly any rain about throughout the week till late on.
Cheers again |
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Rain now due Friday and dry Saturday. Good g/f ip if this is seen to be true.
http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Haydock-Park-UKXX2095 |
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ps ground was a bit wet this morning so we must have had some light rain overnight
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In my first post I did say how I had seen it raining 20 yards away,
but the pavement 10 feet away was dry, the poster from Warrington is much nearer than me and his word must be taken over mine, in Manchester we have had intermittent rain and a VERY heavy shower on Monday for about 10 minutes. Rain almost every day since Monday and heavily overcast as I post. |
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I was at the Three Sisters on Sunday and it ****d down, less than a mile away the in laws had no rain.
Probably best not to comment on ground conditions unless you're relatively close. i.e. not Manchester |
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The course has seen 3 months rain in the last five days, we have had torrential rain with hardly any let up, Monday we had flash floods that saw a lot of the lanes in and around the course Forded.
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The ground will be dead whatever the rest of this week brings
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Deacon Blues almost certain NR
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I have plumped for Bewitched in this, purely because I feel 16s is a big price.
Hughes is a very interesting booking and if you can forgive her Golden Jubilee run she should probably be single figure odds. 1 of only 3 horses that I could see being pricewised atm, the others being Elzaam and Masamah. |
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pricewise will tip WOOTTON BASSETT if he's got any sense
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Regards the going, Haydock is the worst track on record for over watering. I expect if no rain is forecast, that they will artificially turn the ground into a bog, as they always seem to do.
If rain is forecast they will turn on the taps anyway. |
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It happened once, seriously and that was for the Sprint Cup, the same mistake won't be made twice. There will be no watering as rain is set to arrive tomorrow anyway, with maybe a tad more on Saturday. It's been dry now for 24 hours and with a dry warmish day today the ground will be fast side of good.
Good ground, a bit wet on top but should be fresh and nice, is my forecast still for Saturday's big race. |
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Some absolute toss written on this thread with regards ground. No rain forecast for next 3 days, and ground will be on quick side if it proves correct. No reason for the clerk to water.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/3071?area=WA12 |