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Sprint Cup - Haydock
Sprint Cup - Haydock
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No reason for the clerk to water!!!!
This is Kirky you know, fwiw the straight course seems to have a far higher reading than the round by a whole point, both straights are being used(and they often differ) and you ant be sure that he's evn got the distances right 1st time!!! As usual with that gaff, unless its been raining all week, i'll stick to thoughts after the 1st couple which is a shame because id fancy one in the 1st on quicker ground |
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No rain forecast? I beg to differ.
Oh I see you've been on the bbc, who can't tell you what it's doing outside right now. |
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A nightmare of a race to solve. The difficulty is in finding a horse that is likely to run to its mark, rather than the best horse in the race. Dream Ahead's July Cup win was vastly overrated imo and I wouldn't be interested in him at all. I'm extremely surprised that Masamah is as big as 33/1, ok he's coming here after a below par effort but the same is true for the majority of the field. Maybe it was the ground that did for him last time, officially he'd already won on good to soft at Chester last year but the times that day suggested it was closer to good to firm. Maybe he just wasn't on a going day, as can often happen with these sprinters. What I do know is if he returns to his King George Stakes form he will take a lot of beating, he put up a much improved performance that day and ran quicker than this lot ever have (with the exception of Sole Power but he seems very inconsistent). I can only think he's such a big price because of doubts about the extra furlong, but he got the 6f at Chester last year, where he ran as good as he ever had up to that point. It's possible that he's just gone off the boil but at the price it's worth giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree Masamah is an interesting runner. He was given a bizarre ride by Spencer at York who dragged him across
the track onto the slowest ground. Under the circumstances he ran well. Amour prop has boosted his York and Goodwood wins. The Trip is a doubt, but he'll never get a better chance to stay it. The inner track at Haydock is nowhere near as stiff as the old one, the ground is likely to ride fast and he's the only front runner left in the race. On the negative side a higher draw would be better. Markab(a horse quick enough to come second in the king stand) made all on fast ground last year and Masamah has to warrant an interest at 33/1 to do the same. |
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Agree with Masamah. Also fired a bullet at Hitchens who is also well overpriced.
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Tinkler I don't understns the 'stiff track' comment over a straight 6. The new and old course are side by side.
Anyway, dry night but two different forecasts for today from the BBC and the Weather channel, either way 'soft' will certainly not be in the going description. Rain due on Saturday but we're likely to know this years Sprint Cup winner by then. GL with your bets. http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/3071?&search=newton%20le%20willows&itemsPerPage=10®ion=world&area=Newton-le-Willows http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourByHour-Haydock-Park-UKXX2095 |
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Agent R
When Markab won this race last year he clocked a track record time for both tracks and the time was 2 1/2 lengths quicker than any time ever recorded on the outer track. Markab is no great sprinter which indicates that the inner track is significantly quicker. I've only been to the track a couple of times since they started using it and the gradients appeared to be more sweeping than the outer track, where there are a few more subtle undulations, possibly throwing a horses stride pattern. |
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Yes, I was there last year and backed Markab and the ground if I remember rightly was quick. Just the rest of the years racing hadn't left me thinking the inner was any quicker than the outer.
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'no need for them to water"
I never noticed them ever worrying asbout the "need to water" before at Haydock. |
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Looks a mare of a race, id rather it either became faster or sheeted down with rain. think its watch up until 10 mins before the off to deide the line i want to take
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ok, cryoftruth, so they will be watering ahead of tomorrow's race, clearly.
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I remember they over watered the outer track for this race a few years ago . They listed it as good to firm
,but all the jockeys said there was cut and it was loose. Sakhees secret was the favourite who loved fast and he couldn't handle it , this led to his trainer having a fit about Haydocks over watering policy. |
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Too many horses underperformed last time out to confidently find the winner of this race, imo. The only two horses that didn't are Society Rock & Hitchens.
Elzaam is the interesting one at a big price given his liking for a flat track and quick ground. Think i'll skip it and by a lotto ticket.   |
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York ground was a joke though, sint, so excuses are fair enough. This race is very simple for me - Bated Breath vs Delegator assuming there isn't a deluge of rain pre-post time.
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still no rain around here.
Delegator, back on a flat, fast, straight course...[:p] |
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Johnny/Twonky I was just going to say that on second thoughts Delegator might be worth a crack here.
Last season they intended on training him as a sprinter but due to injuries they had to abort that plan and race him over 7f. This season all has been well with this horse and they have trained him for sprints, winning the G2 at York and then finishing 5th behind Dream Ahead from the widest draw. Last time I was a little surprised they ran him the Lennox baxk over 7f, even though he gets the trip, and it may have been just to give him an extra race. SBS horses are going better now than they were early season too so at 11/1 with sly-bet (hoping the rain stays away) he is a bet for me. gl |
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Does he stand the training though Sint??, seems like his 1st two appearances of the season are usually his peak for the year
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why is nobody interested in sole power if it's fast ground?
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There is now rain f/c from early morning onwards for the Wigan and Liverpool areas, deffo leaving this until i see the race before
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Haydock is further east though - all the forecasts I've seen predict a bit of light rain at most, and only a shower or two.
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On this thread, I did hope that we might get someone who lived within a very short distance from the course, who could relay the actual weather as opposed to the "weather forecast", so far we have had someone as near as 6 miles.
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There does appear to be some inconsistentcy about him Zilzal but if we ignore his defeat in the Irish Guineas 2 years ago when the going was Heavy, then his form figures up until end of Aug/early Sept that season would have been 1221, so he is capable of putting some consistency together. If there is an excuse for his poor run last time at Goodwood then the prices seem OK to me as I think his run in the Julp Cup was rather good given he didn't have the clearest of passages or best draw.
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A cursory glance at the times today @ Haydock shows there is plenty of juice in the ground there. 2mrw will be good ground (barring monsoons). For me Bewitched represents the value based on her win in the Ballycorus win when she laughed at Zoffany and co first time out.
Fill yer boots |
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LTL - sprint races were run into a strong headwind,back straight always has plenty juice ZIL - b 1/2 mile away from track from 7.00 am - will update weather
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Delegator is a best fresh animal Sint- 3 wins fto now, regresses after that.
With LTL on Bewitched, can't resist a saver on Wooton at 20/1, big price if they run him. |
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Well Done Sands of Time please get up around 7-00 and give a half hourly Bulletin
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Rains come and its a DA/WB rfc for me
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very very light drizzle just started in the last 5 minutes - will update throughout morning
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Sticking with Hoof It....will run his race and better back at 6furlongs.
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Ought to be no ground excuses for good to firm horses, judging by the time of the first sprint.
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Well done DA backers, I thought he was too short and also thought he was beat in the photo, wrong on both counts.
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should have stuck with my original decision and stayed out of the race. [>o] 11//1 for Relegator I thought worth a crack.
well done DA backers .. not many on here ? Zilzal .. some horse to concede the ground he did by running all over the shop. |
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Nah i went for the bigger priced one
 had DA in a rfcAnd Seelo finished 4th in a 15 runner hcap(1 withdrawn)  Ach well, mice and men, its been a fabulous year so far |
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Doubled him ante-post with POUR MOI, poor me.
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Although I'm not certain that she would've troubled the first three, Bewitched backers (including me) must be seething at that ride. She was switched three times at the back, needlessly, and then asked to quicken through a gap that wasn't there. Looked full of running too, grrrrr
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^ Abbaye winner [;)]
Made up with Dream Ahead  |
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should give HoofIt a little rest then Hong Kong for the big sprint vs ROcket Man et al.
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Think DA was in front way too long, 5f would be no problem for him. Bewitched never at the races - c'est la vie, take your point sands.
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Agree with Liam. He hit the front too soon and needs to be ridden like at Newmarket I think. Hard to say he was not the best horse though.
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most talented maybe, and I backed him, but Hoof It fans would argue the point a bit. I reckon Hoof It suffered more than 6 inches worth of interference when Dream Ahead dived to the left. Hoof It was an unlucky loser.
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