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Going to be a small field and a match between St. Nicholas Abbey and Midday.
Thats a bit disappointing.
Where is the likely pace going to come from? Strange that Ballydoyle haven't got a pacemaker in there when you'd think that St Nicholas Abbey's best chance of winning would be off a pretty decent gallop.
Where is the likely pace going to come from? Strange that Ballydoyle haven't got a pacemaker in there when you'd think that St Nicholas Abbey's best chance of winning would be off a pretty decent gallop.
probably try and do it from the front, will stay further so why not,must be their plan
Must admit to being mystified how SNA can be fav over Midday on racecourse achievements. An awful lot being read into a GP3 win, however impressive as it may have been.
Appologies
I forgot that Cape blanco had changed ownership. Probably still front run but will be running on his own merits.
I forgot that Cape blanco had changed ownership. Probably still front run but will be running on his own merits.
Cape Blanco's a non-runner, Tinkler.
Clowance won't go there unless there's plenty of rain, I'd assume.
Four runners, then: SNA, Midday, Dandino and Indian Days. Given wouldn't want a crawl, for Dandino in particular.
Clowance won't go there unless there's plenty of rain, I'd assume.
Four runners, then: SNA, Midday, Dandino and Indian Days. Given wouldn't want a crawl, for Dandino in particular.
I wouldn't back against SNA for this race. I think he will win.
I think Midday at her best, with the allowance, would be difficult to beat. What bothers me though is her latest run. The general opinion is that as it was her first run of the year she'll come on for it, but I have her running right up to her very best there. It was a fast run race and she had to battle, there is a big chance she'll need a longer recovery time from that. SNA's latest run is difficult to weigh up, he looked impressive but the time was slow, so it's difficult to tell how good he is right now. I rated him very highly as a 2yo, even if he only runs to that mark he'll also be hard to beat but I wouldn't want to take a short price.
It looks like I'm alone here but I don't think Dandino is a forlorn hope. He showed he was a much improved performer at Ripon. Admittedly he didn't look very impressive when winning last time at HQ but the lack of early pace in that race was against him. I have doubts about his 2 main opponents, but even if they run well I reckon Dandino is capable of giving them a race.
It looks like I'm alone here but I don't think Dandino is a forlorn hope. He showed he was a much improved performer at Ripon. Admittedly he didn't look very impressive when winning last time at HQ but the lack of early pace in that race was against him. I have doubts about his 2 main opponents, but even if they run well I reckon Dandino is capable of giving them a race.
I think the Yorkshire Oaks last year showed that her best trip is now 1m 4f - that's what the stable think as well. The thing about her is you KNOW she will run to her usual consistent mark - something around the mid 120's - it is then up to us to decide if SNA or any other will run to higher than that given the allowance.
Would disagree with Figgis that last run was a fast pace. Trainer stated immediately after that they didnt go quick enough for her and it was a typically canny Dettori ride I thought - almost nicking it from the front. Perhaps it has taken too much out of her but would be more likely to have brought her on imo.
Would disagree with Figgis that last run was a fast pace. Trainer stated immediately after that they didnt go quick enough for her and it was a typically canny Dettori ride I thought - almost nicking it from the front. Perhaps it has taken too much out of her but would be more likely to have brought her on imo.
Only the very early pace was slow, Dettori quickened it up from some way out. It definitely wasn't a 2f sprint and the overall time was fast, which is what matters.
I can't see any reason why Midday would need more time to get over her York run. There are 22 days between the two races which seems fine to me. Cecil's an old-fashioned type of trainer who doesn't rev them up at home and whose horses you'd expect to come on for their seasonal reappearance.
Actually, Midday had never won first time out before and prior to the Middleton this year Cecil was quoted as saying he had Midday fitter than the previous season when she was up against Sariska.
This is also the first time Midday is taking on Colts in her career, fwiw.
SNA is being steadily backed and is in danger of going of something silly like 4/6. 11/10 is OK but on a day of race market imo.
This is also the first time Midday is taking on Colts in her career, fwiw.
SNA is being steadily backed and is in danger of going of something silly like 4/6. 11/10 is OK but on a day of race market imo.
Figgis
Midday's win last time was a cracking performance. I was not sure if she would be really back as she was disappointing to me and below her very best when winning the Prix Vermeille and losing in the USA. However the clue is in what Sir Henry said "she is better this year". if she is better you have a filly capable of running around 128 - maybe more.
St Nick may be a 131 horse - but he needs to be just to deal heat.
Midday's win last time was a cracking performance. I was not sure if she would be really back as she was disappointing to me and below her very best when winning the Prix Vermeille and losing in the USA. However the clue is in what Sir Henry said "she is better this year". if she is better you have a filly capable of running around 128 - maybe more.
St Nick may be a 131 horse - but he needs to be just to deal heat.
Can't have SNA that Chester win was wrong the pace was so uneven. Midday will come on oodles for York and she'll win at Epsom.
4 runners is very unsatisfactory.
who will make the running and will it benefit St Nicholas Abbey more than the others?
who will make the running and will it benefit St Nicholas Abbey more than the others?
It would be great if she could do it and at the prices she is the bet in the race, its just a shame that with the wealth of middle distance talent about that there isn't a better line up both numerically and in terms of quality.
Clowance is an intended runner, according to Roger Charlton's website, so there should be five runners.
you will get your 15/8 again come thursday night and friday dde,probably even 2/1 by then,St Nic will be heavily backed and go off 4/6 8/13 and is a racing certainty so dont throw away money by backing anything else
A Sixth group 1 for Midday to surpass Indian Skimmers 5 Group1 for Henry!
you will see dde,i already know
and he wont just win,he will win very easily 5-8 lengths
and he wont just win,he will win very easily 5-8 lengths
St Nicholas Abbey was the Derby Favorite....St Nicholas Abbey was Champion 2yr old.....St Nicholas Abbey won a Group 3 by 9l untouched last time.......St Nicholas Abbey has Ryan Moore in the saddle...St Nicholas Abbey has a master trainer like Midday....St Nicolas Abbey wins....St Nicholas Abbey looks incredible at even money in a matchbet against a Filly.
Good to see you Irish have your feet firmly on the ground again re this colt! 5-8 lengths eh? I'm sure I've heard this before.............?
i'm actually scottish,but the simple fact is that if you cant see that this is buying money at evens then you will never make it in this game,middy is a very good mare but is way way out of her league against this boy,only a complete moron would back her-FACT!!!
Well I must be a complete moron then.
Midday is a multiple Group 1 winning globe trotting mare who has proven that she handles Epsom and is in receipt of 3 pounds from St Nicholas Abbey. She is officially rated 121, a pound lower than St Nicholas Abbey.
St Nicholas Abbey has it to prove at the highest level in my book and therefore Midday is the bet in the race.
Midday is a multiple Group 1 winning globe trotting mare who has proven that she handles Epsom and is in receipt of 3 pounds from St Nicholas Abbey. She is officially rated 121, a pound lower than St Nicholas Abbey.
St Nicholas Abbey has it to prove at the highest level in my book and therefore Midday is the bet in the race.
lets meet on here friday night and see what happens. come on midday hahahaha
Sorry Form Man - or should I say sorry to you Irish for mistaking him for one of you
she is a multiple Group 1 winning mare in races restricted to fillys and mares,taking on the boys is a vey different story and taking on a colt of this quality is a bridge to far for any filly or mare in training,the fact is that St Nic was bred solely to win the derby,injury stopped that from happening but he is back now a year later free from injury and ready to set the record straight,his chester win shows that he is back to his best and a repeat of that run will easily be enough to dispose of midday and he is expected to improve again from that run and if you had seen or heard about the piece of work he did with so you think on monday then you would soon change your opinion after what he did to SYT,there is no possible way that midday can beat him and you will see just how stupid anyone who had that opinion will look after the race,i just hope you are all backing midday as you will lose money as well as respect
'St Nicholas Abbey WAS the Derby Favorite....St Nicholas Abbey WAS Champion 2yr old.....St Nicholas Abbey won a Group 3 by 9l untouched last time(beat H'cappers)',not saying he won't win but still has it to prove and to suggest that Midday is way out of her league against SNA is just absurd. By the way Form Man how can you say injury stopped him from winning the Derby, he was a well beaten 6th in the Guineas and ran poorly on his reapperance this year and to suggest that the form of his Chester win will easily be enough to dispose of Midday is total fantasy. He can improve but he will have to.
his 6th in the guineas was actually a brilliant effort when you look back. he was never a miler, they tried to make him something he wasnt and he was beaten by 4 group 1 winning milers and another horse that got injured after.
factor in that they rarely get them spot on for the English Guineas these days and that run is all the more meritorious.
I think, for all that I respect Midday as being a top class mare, he'll canter in this Friday
I think, for all that I respect Midday as being a top class mare, he'll canter in this Friday
the form man theres no need to be rude to anyone just let us have our oppinion,if you win well done if we win well done thats it
the form man theres no need to be rude to anyone just let us have our oppinion,if you win well done if we win well done thats it
the form man theres no need to be rude to anyone just let us have our oppinion,if you win well done if we win well done thats it
i see sna going allong in front 2 out midday travelling all over him and as usual the ballydoyle colt finds more and wins 3 lengths, though i hope im wrong
Has a champion 2 year old ever failed to win at age 3 then come back to win a Group 1 at age 4?
It kinda helps that the grade one is against another horse who is also entering the unknown.
I am a Midday fan and thus biased.
However races, especially group 1's are generally won by the horse with the best form, unless the horse with the best form is asked to concede weight.
In this race Midday is the best horse on form. She also gets weight rather than concedes it.
Even if I was not a fan I think I would struggle not to back her as second favourite. The odds are too much in her favour at the odds.
However races, especially group 1's are generally won by the horse with the best form, unless the horse with the best form is asked to concede weight.
In this race Midday is the best horse on form. She also gets weight rather than concedes it.
Even if I was not a fan I think I would struggle not to back her as second favourite. The odds are too much in her favour at the odds.
Can't see how St Nicholas Abbey doesn't win this easily.
As in a earlier posting not saying SNA won't win tomorrow but everyone who thinks he will win seems to think he will win easily. Can't get my head around that assumption, since he's 2yo days what has he actually done, 6th in the Guineas, well beaten 3rd on his reapperance and won a weakly contested Gr3 at Chester and now running against a top notch mare(by the way it is possible for top fillies to beat top colts), sorry i must be missing something.
Showed brilliance as a 2 year old.
Ran a very respectable race in hindsight against proper milers in the 2000 Guineas.
Looked to have the old spark back at Chester.
Midday is pretty exposed, we know what she's capable of.
Not going to have a bet because I'd much rather O'Brien had put a pacemaker in and it wasn't to turn into a sprint, but think evens could be a very good price.
Ran a very respectable race in hindsight against proper milers in the 2000 Guineas.
Looked to have the old spark back at Chester.
Midday is pretty exposed, we know what she's capable of.
Not going to have a bet because I'd much rather O'Brien had put a pacemaker in and it wasn't to turn into a sprint, but think evens could be a very good price.
interesting race.
wouldve prefered a pacemaker in for st nic.
they must be v confident.
love the mare but think she will get beat tomorrow if st nic runs anything like he did at chester. the opposition wasnt up to much but they were decent animals and he destroyed them and powered away v v easily, i was very impressed personally.
its no gimme and regardless of theformmans confidence only a fool regard anything in racing as a certanity.
i do however think he will have the mares measure tomorrow. facinating race. she prob does have more toe than him but much like f&g vs sariska (who was a better horse than midday) i think he(moore) will track the leader and take up thw running early up the straight if needs be.
gl
wouldve prefered a pacemaker in for st nic.
they must be v confident.
love the mare but think she will get beat tomorrow if st nic runs anything like he did at chester. the opposition wasnt up to much but they were decent animals and he destroyed them and powered away v v easily, i was very impressed personally.
its no gimme and regardless of theformmans confidence only a fool regard anything in racing as a certanity.
i do however think he will have the mares measure tomorrow. facinating race. she prob does have more toe than him but much like f&g vs sariska (who was a better horse than midday) i think he(moore) will track the leader and take up thw running early up the straight if needs be.
gl
I cant get my head around the odds here.
Personally i would have Midday odds on, and will be betting on this beast accordingly.
I wasnt over impressed with SNA win at Chester. If you look at the race again, the race was set up for it, as the 2 leaders were pestering each other the whole way round, and even then it seemed to take an eternity for SNA to pick up. I know it was Chester, but that run suggested a further step up in trip would be ideal, and what did SNA beat exactly?
Midday is a proven group 1 performer, and previous to last start had never won first up before. With Midday you know what you are going to get, with SNA we do not, and even if SNA does give its best, i dont think its even good enough to beat Midday.
Personally i would have Midday odds on, and will be betting on this beast accordingly.
I wasnt over impressed with SNA win at Chester. If you look at the race again, the race was set up for it, as the 2 leaders were pestering each other the whole way round, and even then it seemed to take an eternity for SNA to pick up. I know it was Chester, but that run suggested a further step up in trip would be ideal, and what did SNA beat exactly?
Midday is a proven group 1 performer, and previous to last start had never won first up before. With Midday you know what you are going to get, with SNA we do not, and even if SNA does give its best, i dont think its even good enough to beat Midday.
I agree with what Midday's backers have said regarding her ability but I've laid her as I think there's a good chance she'll bounce.
Cry of truth,i respect your views as you come acroos as a knowledgable poster,but the weight the mare receives is the fillys v colts allowance and should not be considered in handicapping a horses chances.
I agree with COT, yes the female allowance is there to justify a general imbalance, but occasionally a mare is as good as the colts, so the allowance becomes a great advantage.
we'll only find out today if she can mix it with the colts,so it should still be classed as an equalizer[the allowance],not a potential race winner.
Taking the postion that the Chester run was all wrong - funny track, uneven pace. SNA won't beat Midday.
A very fine performance. His clash with Workforce will be something to see.
I got lucky there, the mare ran a great race. The time wasn't great, though, and I think SNA can probably do even better.
What TQ lost by maybe going too early (and let's not forget that's how she has gained some memorable wins) he more than gained by very nearly fecking up his main opponent. No doubt in my mind that the better horse won.
What TQ lost by maybe going too early (and let's not forget that's how she has gained some memorable wins) he more than gained by very nearly fecking up his main opponent. No doubt in my mind that the better horse won.
Took him a while to get going after she came right across him but theres no doubt he's a fair bit better than her. Doesn't have much instant acceleration but off a strong pace he could be very very useful in future.
better over 1 mile 4 perhaps, don't agree he's a fair bit better overall. didn't look like it during the race anyway.
SNA managed to run Midday down even though she stole a march in a race not run at a true overall pace, reckon he would probably have won more comfortably given a true test.
said previously on another thread id send him to the melbourne cup.
I don't like blaming jockeys and rarely do so since I struggle to ride the wife these days.
I am a Midday fan and thus very biased.
However that was a shocking ride.
TQ was on the fastest hose and had a slow pace and still managed to lose.
If he had held onto Midday and asked her to quicken approaching the furlong poll she would have won with seem authority.
Henry Cecil looked very angry rather than disappointed after th race and I am not surprised. He must have told the jockey to ride a waiting race and yet he got her flat out before the 2 furlong poll.
As I say a shocking ride and I fear for TQ's job.
I am a Midday fan and thus very biased.
However that was a shocking ride.
TQ was on the fastest hose and had a slow pace and still managed to lose.
If he had held onto Midday and asked her to quicken approaching the furlong poll she would have won with seem authority.
Henry Cecil looked very angry rather than disappointed after th race and I am not surprised. He must have told the jockey to ride a waiting race and yet he got her flat out before the 2 furlong poll.
As I say a shocking ride and I fear for TQ's job.
Congrats to all fellow punters who collected on this fine performance from st nic (buying money)
i agree cry , i have earlier on here said that i still think that 10 fur is best for this filly, of course she can win over 12, but against easy pickings,but to go 3furlongs out was criminal, you honestly could see what happened coming
I really don't get this bad ride stuff. I though Queally gave her an excellent ride and almost pinched the race from a much superior animal.
I don't think there was any way Midday could have won the race, St Nicholas Abbey showed that it takes him some time to wind up and by cutting across when she did that stopped his momentum at an important point. Had Queally stayed alongside rather than going for it at that stage Midday would have been beaten 5 lengths.
I don't think there was any way Midday could have won the race, St Nicholas Abbey showed that it takes him some time to wind up and by cutting across when she did that stopped his momentum at an important point. Had Queally stayed alongside rather than going for it at that stage Midday would have been beaten 5 lengths.
I agree with TJ. Middady has proved beyond doubt that she stays 12f very well. She's never been known as the type that has to be put in front right on the line. The race wasn't run at a great pace, Queally got first run, since when were those tactics a disadvantage in a race with an uneven pace? Murtagh was rightly praised for doing the exact same thing in the Oaks, on a filly that was being discussed as a possible non stayer.
Not sure about the 5 lengths but agree that it was not TQ's fault and Henry has said that he rode her according to the plan. This was the same plan they wanted to try in the Oaks but they got hampered.
Connections were sure of her stamina and the fact that she gallops rather than quickens. I would have loved her to win but have to put my hands up and say that she was beaten by a slightly better horse.
Having said that - The Form Man - we have thankfully just got rid of a couple of idiot posters - we do not need another one now. There are plenty of chavvy sites where you will fit right in but please leave this one to the grown ups.
Connections were sure of her stamina and the fact that she gallops rather than quickens. I would have loved her to win but have to put my hands up and say that she was beaten by a slightly better horse.
Having said that - The Form Man - we have thankfully just got rid of a couple of idiot posters - we do not need another one now. There are plenty of chavvy sites where you will fit right in but please leave this one to the grown ups.
Nice win for St Nic who didn't seem at all comfortable on the track, looked a beaten horses a few furlongs out, yet rallied, dug deep and won nicely in the end.
agree, if queally had of left it until the last furlong he wouldnt have got as close to SNA.
Racing Post today states "the feeling was that she would probably prevailed if her rider had not committed her so early" - understatement of the year.
Midday has a really sparkling change of pace. To use up all her speed at the 3 furlong poll was very stupid. Even if TQ had waited until the 2 furlong poll she would never have been caught. Essentially she went too soon and got set up like a sitting duck.
She is a filly with a brilliant turn of foot. To use that turn of foot just under half a mile from home was very dumb. I am gutted for the filly - she should certainly have beaten St Nicholas Abbey - good though he is.
Midday has a really sparkling change of pace. To use up all her speed at the 3 furlong poll was very stupid. Even if TQ had waited until the 2 furlong poll she would never have been caught. Essentially she went too soon and got set up like a sitting duck.
She is a filly with a brilliant turn of foot. To use that turn of foot just under half a mile from home was very dumb. I am gutted for the filly - she should certainly have beaten St Nicholas Abbey - good though he is.
absolutely clueless post cot,stop showing your lack of knowledge for the sport and making a fool of yourself
I think TheFormMan is actually another rude stupid ignoramus - dananders.
The moronic cretinous empty headed bluster and the awful odious style is too similar to be a coincidence.
The moronic cretinous empty headed bluster and the awful odious style is too similar to be a coincidence.
hopefully they take each other on again. think the SNA will win much futher if they do.
I cant see Midday taking him on again over 12f. With the trouble SNA managed to overcome yesterday she will never have a better opportunity. No shame at all in that.
The obvious "confrontations", unless something decent comes out of one of the Derbys, will be:-
12f - SNA v Workforce (throw in yet to be named French challengers in the Arc).
10f - So You Think v Midday (unless she reverts to racing against other mares). I would also guess that Frankel will step up to 10f, probably in an appropriately sponsored race, if he manages to keep beating the milers.
8f - Canford v Goldikova, winner takes on Frankel.
All in all a fair bit to look forward to. A potentially top class 3 year old coming out of the Derby or Prix du JC would be the icing on the cake.
The obvious "confrontations", unless something decent comes out of one of the Derbys, will be:-
12f - SNA v Workforce (throw in yet to be named French challengers in the Arc).
10f - So You Think v Midday (unless she reverts to racing against other mares). I would also guess that Frankel will step up to 10f, probably in an appropriately sponsored race, if he manages to keep beating the milers.
8f - Canford v Goldikova, winner takes on Frankel.
All in all a fair bit to look forward to. A potentially top class 3 year old coming out of the Derby or Prix du JC would be the icing on the cake.
Cecil is not stupid and he will never run Midday against the boys over 12f again,it will be back against the girls now Nassau,Yorkshire Oaks,Qatar Prix Vermeille then breeders cup,although she deserves a chance to take on the boys over 10f
id take her to ascot king george, track would suit her better imo, and ok workforce , sna , derby winner might all be there, she wouldnt be disgraced at all and who knows ,if ridden with more restraint and that shorter straight , cant see sna being at his best there, and workforce ran a shocker last time , id love an e/w bet of around 10/1 on her
I would think she would reverse with Dt Nick at Ascot, but So You Think and Await The Dawn and Workforce would maybe also be there.
The best replay of the race was the one shown from above. You see Midday quickening past SNA as they turn in. She handles Tattenham Corner far better, is balanced far earlier and hits her full stride much quicker. She goes 2 lengths clear by the 2 pole at which point SNA is in the clear and at full stride at which point he starts cutting into the lead. Had TQ waited until the 2 pole he would have been trying to pass a fully flying SNA who certainly wasnt slowing down in those last 2 furlongs. It will always be a matter of opinion and I am not averse to criticising TQ if he deserves it, but in this case I actually think he rode the right race and almost nicked a race he wouldnt otherwise have won.
As HC later said Midday does improve during the year and I would love to see her take on the colts again in the KG or even the Arc. I did see in the RP this morning that she is available at 25-1 for the KG. There's your each way bet!
As HC later said Midday does improve during the year and I would love to see her take on the colts again in the KG or even the Arc. I did see in the RP this morning that she is available at 25-1 for the KG. There's your each way bet!
The best replay of the race was the one shown from above. You see Midday quickening past SNA as they turn in. She handles Tattenham Corner far better, is balanced far earlier and hits her full stride much quicker. She goes 2 lengths clear by the 2 pole at which point SNA is in the clear and at full stride at which point he starts cutting into the lead. Had TQ waited until the 2 pole he would have been trying to pass a fully flying SNA who certainly wasnt slowing down in those last 2 furlongs. It will always be a matter of opinion and I am not averse to criticising TQ if he deserves it, but in this case I actually think he rode the right race and almost nicked a race he wouldnt otherwise have won.
As HC later said Midday does improve during the year and I would love to see her take on the colts again in the KG or even the Arc. I did see in the RP this morning that she is available at 25-1 for the KG. There's your each way bet!
As HC later said Midday does improve during the year and I would love to see her take on the colts again in the KG or even the Arc. I did see in the RP this morning that she is available at 25-1 for the KG. There's your each way bet!
Figgis and cryoftruth, the first chance I've had to post on here as I'm in Epsom.
Wasn't he just absolutely superb gents!!
Wasn't he just absolutely superb gents!!
Watching that again SNA came so wide Midday probably didn't even see him - once he veered back in she rallied but it was too late.
soldier
you are a gentleman and I am happy for you.
best horse lost though I'm afraid and I would strongly fancy Midday to reverse if they met again.
She has just the greater turn of foot and because the jockey was "playing jockeys" she hit the front too soon and got mugged.
She was idling in front and because St Nick came wide, never eyeballed the filly and allowed her to rally.
Next time I would imagine she would be permitted by the rider to use her turn of foot at the end of the race where it matters not at the 3 furlong poll.
you are a gentleman and I am happy for you.
best horse lost though I'm afraid and I would strongly fancy Midday to reverse if they met again.
She has just the greater turn of foot and because the jockey was "playing jockeys" she hit the front too soon and got mugged.
She was idling in front and because St Nick came wide, never eyeballed the filly and allowed her to rally.
Next time I would imagine she would be permitted by the rider to use her turn of foot at the end of the race where it matters not at the 3 furlong poll.
There is just no helping some people
cot it was bad enough that you could not work out before the race that it was obvious that st nic was going to win,but to come back after the race having seen it with your own eyes and been proven wrong and still not understood what was in front of you is criminal,you clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to racing and judging form so i would heavily advise you to never bet on horses again as i simply feel sorry for your family that you are throwing money down the drain,you are just about the only person who thinks she could turn that form around over 12f if they were to meet at all,the fact that the bookies have him at 3/1 for the king george and have her at 25/1 speaks volumes my friend,also he is 10/1 for the arc whereas she is 33/1 should also tell you what the general opinion is
cot it was bad enough that you could not work out before the race that it was obvious that st nic was going to win,but to come back after the race having seen it with your own eyes and been proven wrong and still not understood what was in front of you is criminal,you clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to racing and judging form so i would heavily advise you to never bet on horses again as i simply feel sorry for your family that you are throwing money down the drain,you are just about the only person who thinks she could turn that form around over 12f if they were to meet at all,the fact that the bookies have him at 3/1 for the king george and have her at 25/1 speaks volumes my friend,also he is 10/1 for the arc whereas she is 33/1 should also tell you what the general opinion is
Yes, SOF, he did alright. What's more, I think he still has a bigger performance in him than that, given a better pace.
Very harsh to blame Queally imo - the best 12f horse won on the day and if they met again at somewhere like Ascot or Longchamp the winning margin will be greatly extended imo.
anyone thinking midday didnt stay or should have won this race needs to have a long look at themselves.
she actually got away from him and if good enough would have won.
as it happened HE didnt handle the track, had to be switched out, ate up the ground in the final furlong and won comfortably!
hes better than this run too.
midday ran her race like she always does!
wd if u backed the winner.
she actually got away from him and if good enough would have won.
as it happened HE didnt handle the track, had to be switched out, ate up the ground in the final furlong and won comfortably!
hes better than this run too.
midday ran her race like she always does!
wd if u backed the winner.
I totally agree with ilwab,
Furthermore, on the BBC Swinburn was praising Queally's ride on Midday and tbh I think he knows more about riding Epsom than anyone on here.
Furthermore, on the BBC Swinburn was praising Queally's ride on Midday and tbh I think he knows more about riding Epsom than anyone on here.
Still not convinced about St Nicholas as how good he is... The King George would be nice. A big long straight.
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aobballydoyle Annemarie O Brien
St Nicholas Abbey will probably be trained now for the King George and Wonder Of Wonders for the Irish Oaks.
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aobballydoyle Annemarie O Brien
St Nicholas Abbey will probably be trained now for the King George and Wonder Of Wonders for the Irish Oaks.
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The Form Man still is rude and Dananders in poot disguise.
His "free money from Hillz" showed that for all his awful arrogance and pretending to be some big noise is just waffle, like Eric's.
I mean I have seen him go on about 2 very short priced favourites, one of which should have been beaten, the other one of which got stuffed.
Trouble with The Form Man is not that he gets things wrong - we all do that, its not an exact science after all. its that he is very rude about any one else's opinions.
You can disagree without calling other people rude names.
I mean to say TheFormMan acts like an utter Kunnt, but I am too polite to say so.
His "free money from Hillz" showed that for all his awful arrogance and pretending to be some big noise is just waffle, like Eric's.
I mean I have seen him go on about 2 very short priced favourites, one of which should have been beaten, the other one of which got stuffed.
Trouble with The Form Man is not that he gets things wrong - we all do that, its not an exact science after all. its that he is very rude about any one else's opinions.
You can disagree without calling other people rude names.
I mean to say TheFormMan acts like an utter Kunnt, but I am too polite to say so.
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