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elisjohn
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7 declared , st nicholas abbey,midday, dandino, await the dawn, cape blanco, indian days, clowance,

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By:
racingpoet
When: 28 May 11 13:31
if only they were all going to line up!
By:
RUSSJR
When: 28 May 11 13:48
Midday for a sixth group 1
By:
JOCI Club
When: 28 May 11 14:26
Very nice line up.
By:
TheFormMan
When: 28 May 11 14:42
Await the dawn does not run which leaves St Nic to bolt up with Midday chasing him home with the rest knowhere,11/10 looks a very fair price
By:
jair1970
When: 28 May 11 14:45
You could end up with 4 there, as O'Brien won't run three (though he might run 2) and Clowance is ground dependant.

Poor effort trainers!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 28 May 11 14:47
Will Cape Blanco run?
By:
TheFormMan
When: 28 May 11 14:50
the word is that O'Brien plans to run cape blanco and St Nic
By:
jair1970
When: 28 May 11 14:50
He ran Scorpion and Septimus that one year.

Due to it being a Fitri Hay horse, i'd say 'definitely, maybe, Rishi.'
By:
A_T
When: 28 May 11 20:17
Midday all day
By:
sintonian
When: 28 May 11 22:23
11/10 about St Nick will do for me.

AWD waits for Ascot.
By:
layingisthewayforward
When: 28 May 11 23:27
JOCI Club Joined: 13 Mar 04
Replies: 8823 28 May 11 14:26   


Very nice line up.



I hope that was sarcastic...
By:
cryoftruth
When: 29 May 11 10:24
As an Irish Derby winner Cape Blanco is a crazy price for this.

I think midday will see of the other Irish plodder, but Cape Blanco is a high class colt and will not be so easy for the filly to out speed.
By:
tinkler
When: 29 May 11 10:47
Looks like being a dreadful turnout. the group 3 Brig gerard looked more competitive.
By:
tinkler
When: 29 May 11 10:51
If cape blanco runs he'll be running as a pacemaker for St nicholas abbey, though connections will say it is to
make sure its an even gallop and that he likes to front run.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 29 May 11 10:53
Yes it could be a serious tactical battle, with the emphasis on speed.

If it did come down to which one has the better change of pace, I suspect Midday will kill them.

However I still suspect that Cape Blanco may be very dangerous. he could easily be allowed a soft lead; he is very talented at his best.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 29 May 11 10:54
tinkler

I am nor sure the new owners of Cape Balnco would be thrilled to have spent all the money on buying the horse, only for Aiden to use him as a pacemaker for the former owners.
By:
Graeme83
When: 29 May 11 10:55
"If cape blanco runs he'll be running as a pacemaker for St nicholas abbey"



Like part owners would buy in to a horse and let it be used as a pacemaker.
By:
Tavaris Jackson
When: 29 May 11 10:55
I think it's a pretty good renewal.
Realistically who else could run in it to make it any better?
Workforce ducked it for a G3, Rewilding or Behkabad would obviously have made it a little better. O'Brien can't really be expected to run more than 2 of his.

Still with St Nicholas Abbey, Cape Blanco and Midday in there its plenty interesting.
By:
Graeme83
When: 29 May 11 10:56
Beat me to it CFT.
By:
A_T
When: 29 May 11 11:50
Seems an above average renewal to me - often the race is won by a real plodder. Midday is a mare of the very highest quality, Cape Blanco has had some real highs and SNA was champ 2 year old/could be anything this season. Looking forward to this one.
By:
TheFormMan
When: 29 May 11 11:53
CFT you really are clueless if you think that this is not a certain victory for St Nic,if you truly believe what you say 'midday will kill them' then stop your talk and go snap up the 15/8
By:
cryoftruth
When: 29 May 11 12:10
TheFormMan
This is the last time I will. doscuss anything with you.

You are just rude.

The antepost forum is mercifully free from the desperate bragging and dogmatic folly of the hose racing forum and i would do nothing to encourage this changing, certainly not swapping pleasantries with the likes of you.
By:
Viva Pataca
When: 29 May 11 12:22
St. Nicholas Abbey the only Ballydoyle runner in this - Anne Marie O'Brien Twitter.
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 May 11 12:25
Cape Blanco wouldn't be used as a pacemaker, but if he runs he would ensure an honest pace as Im sure he would run similarly to his Irish Champion win. I'd say he would be a good bet, but I dont think he will last home over 12f against these.
By:
Viva Pataca
When: 29 May 11 12:28
He dosen't run Dan according to Anne O'Brien's tweet five minutes ago.
By:
Albion Dan
When: 29 May 11 12:29
Ye saw your post after, so disregard all that haha!
By:
Viva Pataca
When: 29 May 11 12:35
Going to be a small field and a match between St. Nicholas Abbey and Midday.
By:
Tavaris Jackson
When: 29 May 11 12:48
Thats a bit disappointing.
Where is the likely pace going to come from? Strange that Ballydoyle haven't got a pacemaker in there when you'd think that St Nicholas Abbey's best chance of winning would be off a pretty decent gallop.
By:
elisjohn
When: 29 May 11 12:59
probably try and do it from the front, will stay further so why not,must be their plan
By:
RockMonkey
When: 29 May 11 14:30
Must admit to being mystified how SNA can be fav over Midday on racecourse achievements. An awful lot being read into a GP3 win, however impressive as it may have been.
By:
tinkler
When: 29 May 11 14:37
Appologies
I forgot that Cape blanco had changed ownership. Probably still front run but will be running on his own merits.
By:
Augustine
When: 29 May 11 19:29
Cape Blanco's a non-runner, Tinkler.

Clowance won't go there unless there's plenty of rain, I'd assume.

Four runners, then: SNA, Midday, Dandino and Indian Days. Given wouldn't want a crawl, for Dandino in particular.
By:
Graeme83
When: 30 May 11 11:03
I wouldn't back against SNA for this race. I think he will win.
By:
Figgis
When: 30 May 11 11:29
I think Midday at her best, with the allowance, would be difficult to beat. What bothers me though is her latest run. The general opinion is that as it was her first run of the year she'll come on for it, but I have her running right up to her very best there. It was a fast run race and she had to battle, there is a big chance she'll need a longer recovery time from that. SNA's latest run is difficult to weigh up, he looked impressive but the time was slow, so it's difficult to tell how good he is right now. I rated him very highly as a 2yo, even if he only runs to that mark he'll also be hard to beat but I wouldn't want to take a short price.

It looks like I'm alone here but I don't think Dandino is a forlorn hope. He showed he was a much improved performer at Ripon. Admittedly he didn't look very impressive when winning last time at HQ but the lack of early pace in that race was against him. I have doubts about his 2 main opponents, but even if they run well I reckon Dandino is capable of giving them a race.
By:
elisjohn
When: 30 May 11 12:37
i also think that midday is better over 10 f
By:
jonibake
When: 30 May 11 13:46
I think the Yorkshire Oaks last year showed that her best trip is now 1m 4f - that's what the stable think as well. The thing about her is you KNOW she will run to her usual consistent mark - something around the mid 120's - it is then up to us to decide if SNA or any other will run to higher than that given the allowance.

Would disagree with Figgis that last run was a fast pace. Trainer stated immediately after that they didnt go quick enough for her and it was a typically canny Dettori ride I thought - almost nicking it from the front. Perhaps it has taken too much out of her but would be more likely to have brought her on imo.
By:
Figgis
When: 30 May 11 13:56
Only the very early pace was slow, Dettori quickened it up from some way out. It definitely wasn't a 2f sprint and the overall time was fast, which is what matters.
By:
Augustine
When: 30 May 11 14:05
I can't see any reason why Midday would need more time to get over her York run. There are 22 days between the two races which seems fine to me. Cecil's an old-fashioned type of trainer who doesn't rev them up at home and whose horses you'd expect to come on for their seasonal reappearance.
By:
sintonian
When: 30 May 11 17:18
Actually, Midday had never won first time out before and prior to the Middleton this year Cecil was quoted as saying he had Midday fitter than the previous season when she was up against Sariska.

This is also the first time Midday is taking on Colts in her career, fwiw.

SNA is being steadily backed and is in danger of going of something silly like 4/6. 11/10 is OK but on a day of race market imo.
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