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* redress a general imbalance
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we'll only find out today if she can mix it with the colts,so it should still be classed as an equalizer[the allowance],not a potential race winner.
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Taking the postion that the Chester run was all wrong - funny track, uneven pace. SNA won't beat Midday.
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Hurry up and run so we can collect on SNA.
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Excellent win for St Nicholas Abbey
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i can't believe she didn't stay.
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Poor ride from TQ hit the front far too soon.
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A very fine performance. His clash with Workforce will be something to see.
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I got lucky there, the mare ran a great race. The time wasn't great, though, and I think SNA can probably do even better.
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What TQ lost by maybe going too early (and let's not forget that's how she has gained some memorable wins) he more than gained by very nearly fecking up his main opponent. No doubt in my mind that the better horse won.
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What TQ lost by maybe going too early (and let's not forget that's how she has gained some memorable wins) he more than gained by very nearly fecking up his main opponent. No doubt in my mind that the better horse won.
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Took him a while to get going after she came right across him but theres no doubt he's a fair bit better than her. Doesn't have much instant acceleration but off a strong pace he could be very very useful in future.
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better over 1 mile 4 perhaps, don't agree he's a fair bit better overall. didn't look like it during the race anyway.
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SNA managed to run Midday down even though she stole a march in a race not run at a true overall pace, reckon he would probably have won more comfortably given a true test.
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said previously on another thread id send him to the melbourne cup.
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I don't like blaming jockeys and rarely do so since I struggle to ride the wife these days.
I am a Midday fan and thus very biased. However that was a shocking ride. TQ was on the fastest hose and had a slow pace and still managed to lose. If he had held onto Midday and asked her to quicken approaching the furlong poll she would have won with seem authority. Henry Cecil looked very angry rather than disappointed after th race and I am not surprised. He must have told the jockey to ride a waiting race and yet he got her flat out before the 2 furlong poll. As I say a shocking ride and I fear for TQ's job. |
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Congrats to all fellow punters who collected on this fine performance from st nic (buying money)
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i agree cry , i have earlier on here said that i still think that 10 fur is best for this filly, of course she can win over 12, but against easy pickings,but to go 3furlongs out was criminal, you honestly could see what happened coming
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I really don't get this bad ride stuff. I though Queally gave her an excellent ride and almost pinched the race from a much superior animal.
I don't think there was any way Midday could have won the race, St Nicholas Abbey showed that it takes him some time to wind up and by cutting across when she did that stopped his momentum at an important point. Had Queally stayed alongside rather than going for it at that stage Midday would have been beaten 5 lengths. |
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I agree with TJ. Middady has proved beyond doubt that she stays 12f very well. She's never been known as the type that has to be put in front right on the line. The race wasn't run at a great pace, Queally got first run, since when were those tactics a disadvantage in a race with an uneven pace? Murtagh was rightly praised for doing the exact same thing in the Oaks, on a filly that was being discussed as a possible non stayer.
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Not sure about the 5 lengths but agree that it was not TQ's fault and Henry has said that he rode her according to the plan. This was the same plan they wanted to try in the Oaks but they got hampered.
Connections were sure of her stamina and the fact that she gallops rather than quickens. I would have loved her to win but have to put my hands up and say that she was beaten by a slightly better horse. Having said that - The Form Man - we have thankfully just got rid of a couple of idiot posters - we do not need another one now. There are plenty of chavvy sites where you will fit right in but please leave this one to the grown ups. |
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Nice win for St Nic who didn't seem at all comfortable on the track, looked a beaten horses a few furlongs out, yet rallied, dug deep and won nicely in the end.
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agree, if queally had of left it until the last furlong he wouldnt have got as close to SNA.
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Racing Post today states "the feeling was that she would probably prevailed if her rider had not committed her so early" - understatement of the year.
Midday has a really sparkling change of pace. To use up all her speed at the 3 furlong poll was very stupid. Even if TQ had waited until the 2 furlong poll she would never have been caught. Essentially she went too soon and got set up like a sitting duck. She is a filly with a brilliant turn of foot. To use that turn of foot just under half a mile from home was very dumb. I am gutted for the filly - she should certainly have beaten St Nicholas Abbey - good though he is. |
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absolutely clueless post cot,stop showing your lack of knowledge for the sport and making a fool of yourself
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I think TheFormMan is actually another rude stupid ignoramus - dananders.
The moronic cretinous empty headed bluster and the awful odious style is too similar to be a coincidence. |
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hopefully they take each other on again. think the SNA will win much futher if they do.
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I cant see Midday taking him on again over 12f. With the trouble SNA managed to overcome yesterday she will never have a better opportunity. No shame at all in that.
The obvious "confrontations", unless something decent comes out of one of the Derbys, will be:- 12f - SNA v Workforce (throw in yet to be named French challengers in the Arc). 10f - So You Think v Midday (unless she reverts to racing against other mares). I would also guess that Frankel will step up to 10f, probably in an appropriately sponsored race, if he manages to keep beating the milers. 8f - Canford v Goldikova, winner takes on Frankel. All in all a fair bit to look forward to. A potentially top class 3 year old coming out of the Derby or Prix du JC would be the icing on the cake. |
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Cecil is not stupid and he will never run Midday against the boys over 12f again,it will be back against the girls now Nassau,Yorkshire Oaks,Qatar Prix Vermeille then breeders cup,although she deserves a chance to take on the boys over 10f
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id take her to ascot king george, track would suit her better imo, and ok workforce , sna , derby winner might all be there, she wouldnt be disgraced at all and who knows ,if ridden with more restraint and that shorter straight , cant see sna being at his best there, and workforce ran a shocker last time , id love an e/w bet of around 10/1 on her
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I would think she would reverse with Dt Nick at Ascot, but So You Think and Await The Dawn and Workforce would maybe also be there.
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The best replay of the race was the one shown from above. You see Midday quickening past SNA as they turn in. She handles Tattenham Corner far better, is balanced far earlier and hits her full stride much quicker. She goes 2 lengths clear by the 2 pole at which point SNA is in the clear and at full stride at which point he starts cutting into the lead. Had TQ waited until the 2 pole he would have been trying to pass a fully flying SNA who certainly wasnt slowing down in those last 2 furlongs. It will always be a matter of opinion and I am not averse to criticising TQ if he deserves it, but in this case I actually think he rode the right race and almost nicked a race he wouldnt otherwise have won.
As HC later said Midday does improve during the year and I would love to see her take on the colts again in the KG or even the Arc. I did see in the RP this morning that she is available at 25-1 for the KG. There's your each way bet! |
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The best replay of the race was the one shown from above. You see Midday quickening past SNA as they turn in. She handles Tattenham Corner far better, is balanced far earlier and hits her full stride much quicker. She goes 2 lengths clear by the 2 pole at which point SNA is in the clear and at full stride at which point he starts cutting into the lead. Had TQ waited until the 2 pole he would have been trying to pass a fully flying SNA who certainly wasnt slowing down in those last 2 furlongs. It will always be a matter of opinion and I am not averse to criticising TQ if he deserves it, but in this case I actually think he rode the right race and almost nicked a race he wouldnt otherwise have won.
As HC later said Midday does improve during the year and I would love to see her take on the colts again in the KG or even the Arc. I did see in the RP this morning that she is available at 25-1 for the KG. There's your each way bet! |
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Figgis and cryoftruth, the first chance I've had to post on here as I'm in Epsom.
Wasn't he just absolutely superb gents!! ![]() |
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He certainly was that $£$£$£$£$£$£
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Watching that again SNA came so wide Midday probably didn't even see him - once he veered back in she rallied but it was too late.
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you are a gentleman and I am happy for you. best horse lost though I'm afraid and I would strongly fancy Midday to reverse if they met again. She has just the greater turn of foot and because the jockey was "playing jockeys" she hit the front too soon and got mugged. She was idling in front and because St Nick came wide, never eyeballed the filly and allowed her to rally. Next time I would imagine she would be permitted by the rider to use her turn of foot at the end of the race where it matters not at the 3 furlong poll. |
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There is just no helping some people
cot it was bad enough that you could not work out before the race that it was obvious that st nic was going to win,but to come back after the race having seen it with your own eyes and been proven wrong and still not understood what was in front of you is criminal,you clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to racing and judging form so i would heavily advise you to never bet on horses again as i simply feel sorry for your family that you are throwing money down the drain,you are just about the only person who thinks she could turn that form around over 12f if they were to meet at all,the fact that the bookies have him at 3/1 for the king george and have her at 25/1 speaks volumes my friend,also he is 10/1 for the arc whereas she is 33/1 should also tell you what the general opinion is |
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Yes, SOF, he did alright. What's more, I think he still has a bigger performance in him than that, given a better pace.
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Very harsh to blame Queally imo - the best 12f horse won on the day and if they met again at somewhere like Ascot or Longchamp the winning margin will be greatly extended imo.
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