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coronation cup epsom friday
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Midday's win last time was a cracking performance. I was not sure if she would be really back as she was disappointing to me and below her very best when winning the Prix Vermeille and losing in the USA. However the clue is in what Sir Henry said "she is better this year". if she is better you have a filly capable of running around 128 - maybe more. St Nick may be a 131 horse - but he needs to be just to deal heat. |
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Can't have SNA that Chester win was wrong the pace was so uneven. Midday will come on oodles for York and she'll win at Epsom.
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I seriously hope you are right A_T
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4 runners is very unsatisfactory.
who will make the running and will it benefit St Nicholas Abbey more than the others? |
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Slow race favours pace.
Midday should be quickest. |
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It would be great if she could do it and at the prices she is the bet in the race, its just a shame that with the wealth of middle distance talent about that there isn't a better line up both numerically and in terms of quality.
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gutted i missed the 15/8
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Clowance is an intended runner, according to Roger Charlton's website, so there should be five runners.
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you will get your 15/8 again come thursday night and friday dde,probably even 2/1 by then,St Nic will be heavily backed and go off 4/6 8/13 and is a racing certainty so dont throw away money by backing anything else
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a racing certainty haha we will see
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A Sixth group 1 for Midday to surpass Indian Skimmers 5 Group1 for Henry!
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you will see dde,i already know
 and he wont just win,he will win very easily 5-8 lengths |
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St Nicholas Abbey was the Derby Favorite....St Nicholas Abbey was Champion 2yr old.....St Nicholas Abbey won a Group 3 by 9l untouched last time.......St Nicholas Abbey has Ryan Moore in the saddle...St Nicholas Abbey has a master trainer like Midday....St Nicolas Abbey wins....St Nicholas Abbey looks incredible at even money in a matchbet against a Filly.
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C'mon fella!
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Good to see you Irish have your feet firmly on the ground again re this colt! 5-8 lengths eh? I'm sure I've heard this before.............?
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i'm actually scottish,but the simple fact is that if you cant see that this is buying money at evens then you will never make it in this game,middy is a very good mare but is way way out of her league against this boy,only a complete moron would back her-FACT!!!
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Well I must be a complete moron then.
Midday is a multiple Group 1 winning globe trotting mare who has proven that she handles Epsom and is in receipt of 3 pounds from St Nicholas Abbey. She is officially rated 121, a pound lower than St Nicholas Abbey. St Nicholas Abbey has it to prove at the highest level in my book and therefore Midday is the bet in the race. |
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lets meet on here friday night and see what happens. come on midday hahahaha
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Sorry Form Man - or should I say sorry to you Irish for mistaking him for one of you
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she is a multiple Group 1 winning mare in races restricted to fillys and mares,taking on the boys is a vey different story and taking on a colt of this quality is a bridge to far for any filly or mare in training,the fact is that St Nic was bred solely to win the derby,injury stopped that from happening but he is back now a year later free from injury and ready to set the record straight,his chester win shows that he is back to his best and a repeat of that run will easily be enough to dispose of midday and he is expected to improve again from that run and if you had seen or heard about the piece of work he did with so you think on monday then you would soon change your opinion after what he did to SYT,there is no possible way that midday can beat him and you will see just how stupid anyone who had that opinion will look after the race,i just hope you are all backing midday as you will lose money as well as respect
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'St Nicholas Abbey WAS the Derby Favorite....St Nicholas Abbey WAS Champion 2yr old.....St Nicholas Abbey won a Group 3 by 9l untouched last time(beat H'cappers)',not saying he won't win but still has it to prove and to suggest that Midday is way out of her league against SNA is just absurd. By the way Form Man how can you say injury stopped him from winning the Derby, he was a well beaten 6th in the Guineas and ran poorly on his reapperance this year and to suggest that the form of his Chester win will easily be enough to dispose of Midday is total fantasy. He can improve but he will have to.
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his 6th in the guineas was actually a brilliant effort when you look back. he was never a miler, they tried to make him something he wasnt and he was beaten by 4 group 1 winning milers and another horse that got injured after.
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factor in that they rarely get them spot on for the English Guineas these days and that run is all the more meritorious.
I think, for all that I respect Midday as being a top class mare, he'll canter in this Friday |
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the form man theres no need to be rude to anyone just let us have our oppinion,if you win well done if we win well done thats it
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the form man theres no need to be rude to anyone just let us have our oppinion,if you win well done if we win well done thats it
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the form man theres no need to be rude to anyone just let us have our oppinion,if you win well done if we win well done thats it
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oooops
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i see sna going allong in front 2 out midday travelling all over him and as usual the ballydoyle colt finds more and wins 3 lengths, though i hope im wrong
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Has a champion 2 year old ever failed to win at age 3 then come back to win a Group 1 at age 4?
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great question a t
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It kinda helps that the grade one is against another horse who is also entering the unknown.
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I am a Midday fan and thus biased.
However races, especially group 1's are generally won by the horse with the best form, unless the horse with the best form is asked to concede weight. In this race Midday is the best horse on form. She also gets weight rather than concedes it. Even if I was not a fan I think I would struggle not to back her as second favourite. The odds are too much in her favour at the odds. |
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Can't see how St Nicholas Abbey doesn't win this easily.
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As in a earlier posting not saying SNA won't win tomorrow but everyone who thinks he will win seems to think he will win easily. Can't get my head around that assumption, since he's 2yo days what has he actually done, 6th in the Guineas, well beaten 3rd on his reapperance and won a weakly contested Gr3 at Chester and now running against a top notch mare(by the way it is possible for top fillies to beat top colts), sorry i must be missing something.
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Showed brilliance as a 2 year old.
Ran a very respectable race in hindsight against proper milers in the 2000 Guineas. Looked to have the old spark back at Chester. Midday is pretty exposed, we know what she's capable of. Not going to have a bet because I'd much rather O'Brien had put a pacemaker in and it wasn't to turn into a sprint, but think evens could be a very good price. |
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interesting race.
wouldve prefered a pacemaker in for st nic. they must be v confident. love the mare but think she will get beat tomorrow if st nic runs anything like he did at chester. the opposition wasnt up to much but they were decent animals and he destroyed them and powered away v v easily, i was very impressed personally. its no gimme and regardless of theformmans confidence only a fool regard anything in racing as a certanity. i do however think he will have the mares measure tomorrow. facinating race. she prob does have more toe than him but much like f&g vs sariska (who was a better horse than midday) i think he(moore) will track the leader and take up thw running early up the straight if needs be. gl |
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I cant get my head around the odds here.
Personally i would have Midday odds on, and will be betting on this beast accordingly. I wasnt over impressed with SNA win at Chester. If you look at the race again, the race was set up for it, as the 2 leaders were pestering each other the whole way round, and even then it seemed to take an eternity for SNA to pick up. I know it was Chester, but that run suggested a further step up in trip would be ideal, and what did SNA beat exactly? Midday is a proven group 1 performer, and previous to last start had never won first up before. With Midday you know what you are going to get, with SNA we do not, and even if SNA does give its best, i dont think its even good enough to beat Midday. |
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I agree with what Midday's backers have said regarding her ability but I've laid her as I think there's a good chance she'll bounce.
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Cry of truth,i respect your views as you come acroos as a knowledgable poster,but the weight the mare receives is the fillys v colts allowance and should not be considered in handicapping a horses chances.
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I agree with COT, yes the female allowance is there to justify a general imbalance, but occasionally a mare is as good as the colts, so the allowance becomes a great advantage.
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