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I emailed around a few firms to get a price on this, and most came back with 33s-66s, then VC offered me 100/1. After a lengthy phone call I managed to get some on this, does anyone else think it is on the large side? IF he won the KG I couldn't see him being any bigger than 5s for the GC so around 66s would seem about right.
Big fan of this horse but didnt back him in the Arkle as I thought he needed further and wouldnt be seen at his best at Cheltenham, but he's obviously dispelled any fear on the track front, whereas Im still convinced he will come into his own over 3m+
Big fan of this horse but didnt back him in the Arkle as I thought he needed further and wouldnt be seen at his best at Cheltenham, but he's obviously dispelled any fear on the track front, whereas Im still convinced he will come into his own over 3m+
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A colleague of mine interviewed Philip Hobbs who said he was dissapointed Captain Chris had won at Kempton as he was hoping to protect his novice status...
Says it all... |
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Suppose he was gutted when he won the Arkle too then...
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ps that is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read.
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He must have Good ground Dan, and if he were to win the KG he'd still be about 10/1 for the GC.
Immediately after LR won it this year he was 7/1, and he had good horses in behind. tbh, I think your better of just backing him for the KG, because he doesnt have a prayer in the GC imvho. |
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Agree on the ground, although the last few KG/GC's have all been run on suitable ground. Also I think Long Run was still 7/1 after the race due to his opponents, 3 of which are going to be even older this year. Why do you not think he has a prayer in the GC?
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im still not convinced by his jumping tbh and thought the Arkle was run to suit perfectly lto.
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Dan, it's true! Hobbs never had that good opinion about the horse! Amazes me too how everyone went on about this year's Arkle being the worst in time...now they're talking about the winner winning King George's and Gold Cup's!? Laughable!
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cant believe hobbs would of said that
i think he showed he is a very nice horse when he gets his ground, whether he will get that or be good enough to beat long run around kempton is another thing 15Apr10 Cheltenham ( 17 Gd ,RPR145 ) Richard put him hanging down to greenness as he got a nudge from another horse at the top of the hill and you have to remember that was only the fourth run of his life. I would say that will be it now until the autumn when he may have one run over hurdles and then go no novice chasing.Obviously the hope is that he can make up into an Arkle horse come next March. - Philip Hobbs, trainer |
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"There is no doubt he is a horse with an enormous amount of ability"
This is what Hobbs said last summer. Sounds like he's always had a "good opinion" of him to me. |
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think johnson had a "good opinion" too
23Mar10 Kempton ( 16 Gd ,RPR136 ) You think you are on a three-mile chaser when you are riding to the start, but he travels very nicely and seems to have all the gears. There's lots to look forward to. - Richard Johnson, jockey |
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That's clearly nonsense dwm, as he was put into that race at Kempton as a confidence boost and if he hadn't won I think they'd have been devastated. If Hobb's did say that it would have ben tongue in cheek and your pal needs a new sarcasm detector!
I don't think the Arkle will work out that badly, and the fact that CC managed to win it despite it not being his ideal conditions (ground aside) is testament to his ability. |
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ground is the most important of conditions, tbf.
Perhaps im being a bit harsh on him, and he is still a novice. Im probably just bitter about him beating Finians who would have won me a packet.   |
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Haha I had a lovely book on Ghizao and Medermit, was all over CC in the Scilly Isles, just didnt think he'd have the pace for the Arkle. Don't be bitter, Ive got over it, just reap the rewards of backing him in future.
Also as much as the ground is a massive factor for him, dont think you can say it is MOST important as trip, course etc all go into it, and I felt there were enough negatives to negate improvement for good ground. I had him in mind for the KG before the arkle, just added the GC into the double for a bit of fun now though. |
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Christ you lot are late coming round I took the whole Cheltenham forum on with Captain Chris to win the Arkle .... AND WON.
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Please take note Mayweather.
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Wishfull Thinking looks more of a Gold Cup hope for the stable/owner to me. Should have won at Chelts but was going far to good and shot his bolt early, stronger pace in a better race should seem him in a better light.
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Arkle form will not stand up, and Finians Rainbow will be found out at Aintree.
Ergo, neither will the gold cup form stand up at Aintree. |
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Captain Chris was being pushed along behind FR in the Arkle,and he ended up winning well.This horse obviously has some pace but essentially he is a horse that will be better over further,how far is debatable,but the obvious thing to do is aim him for the King George.He will be tried over 2m4-3m at some time in late Autumn i imagine and then they will have more of an idea of what distance he wants.
Personally i suspect he will get 3m at Kempton ok,and will be seen in the Gold Cup next March.Anyone who is thinking of backing him is taking a chance yes,but imo a chance worth taking. |
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Not how I see it unfolding myself, not exactly.
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eric, you backed one winner amongst ten losers. Not sure why you keep telling everyone about Captain Chris when you in effect but 6 others horse for the Arkle to. Saludos,Noble Pirnce, Flat Out,Ghizao AND MDH.
All of those are poted in black and white so it it most odd your claimg to have won from the race. |
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Abott, I don't think WT has the class of Captain Chris, and could be in the sort of Poquelin mould where he's not a genuine grade 1 horse.
I agree bud, I think the KG will be perfect for him, and only threw the gold cup in after I was offered 100/1, that does seem far too big to me tbh. |
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I think what Hobbes said with regard to kepping him a novice was that IF he were not to win a race this year, that he would probbly be the best novice in the country the following year with more experience behind him. He didn't race till he was six afterall. Hobbes has always rated him and always believed he was better than Wishful Thinking.
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albion dan fwiw i think 100s is a very fair price for captain chris for the k.g gold cup double and i will try to get some of that for myself, is that win only or can you have each way ,i backed realt dubh in the arkle but i was very impressed with captain chris whon to me won a race that was at least half a mile too short for him ,i expect him to be in his element over 3m+ .i was very keen on long run for the gold cup and started a thread about him but for me the value so far looks to be captain chris for next year , when you consider that long run is single figuers fgor the k.g gc double then the captain must be worth throwing some more money at those odds as you obviously dont need to put nmuch on to win a lot .my advice would be to go in again as if it does come off you need tp make it count .
dont know how much they will stand before they shorten him .. |
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albion dan also they were saying this years arkle was a weak affair ...how can anyone know this yet its media pundits who said this is a weak arkle and people follow the media and assume the same the form could well be booosted at aintree and punchestown and the 100s captain chris will soon evaporate,imo no arkle is weak the ist 4 places were filled by horses at the front of the betting it could well turn out to be an above average arkle.
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Yes don't know how you can say it is a weak renewal of a race like that until they have run outside of novice company. Had to ring up for the 100s and took a while for bloke to understand but got there in the end.
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King George here we come!
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worse bets at huge prices. Lets hope hendo forgets to enter long run.
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would prefer to see stablemate Wishfull Thinking head for the King George myself...would be the only realistic challenger to Long Run with the track an ideal fit for him.
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I think Wishful Thinking is going to be another Poquelin. Superb at giving lumps away in handicaps, but not a genuine grade 1 animal. Although his style of running will always get them all at it so who knows.
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Good return for the beast today, barring the last obviously. Was running on so powerfully and actually jumped the last in front. Can't wait for him to be stepped up to 3 miles for the King George!
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wishful thinking dan
(note the clever use of words) |
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Haha very good.
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8-1 for KG looks good now, don't understand why it's not shorter. Is there doubts about him going for the race? Surely if he's there on the day will be 9-2 max.
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KG looks the absolute perfect race for him. Tempted to pile in for it in a single now, but thought the same about the BC Mile for Excelebration and connections decided to swerve that so unsure whether to trust anyone these days...
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Did Hobbs not say anything after race about future plans?
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I didn't hear anything, but I think they said beforehand they will step him up in trip this year.
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Not seen anything to worry the beast today tbh...
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I would've thought that Medermit trailing MM & Somersby might've been of some concern to backers of this 'beast', as was Long Run blowing away the cobwebs and beating some decent horses despite jumping poorly. There is a chance that last years Arkle wasn't all that. No way CC goes off under 5/1 in KG.
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be stonking bet if he wins kg
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