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Ex-Irish runner Alandi has been allotted top weight for the Emirates Melbourne Cup at Flemington on November 2.

Formerly trained by John Oxx, last year's Irish St Leger and Prix du Cadran winner is now with Robert Hickmott and has been handed 58kg (9st 2lb) for the two-mile contest.

Stablemate and 2007 race winner Efficient has been handed the same weight, with Godolphin's pair of Cavalryman and Mastery the highest rated British contenders on 57.5kg (9st 1lb).

Dermot Weld's Ascot Gold Cup hero Rite Of Passage has 57kg (9st), the same weight as last year's winner Shocking.

Campanologist has 56kg (8st 11lb), while William Knight's Illustrious Blue has been handed 55kg (8st 9lb), the same weight at Jeremy Noseda's Sans Frontieres.

Luca Cumani has been agonisingly close to landing the prize twice and his Manighar (54kg/8st 7lb), Bauer (53.5kg/8st 6lb), Purple Moon (53.5kg) and Drunken Sailor (53kg/8st 5lb) are all still in the field.

Weld's other possible Profound Beauty has 54kg (8st 7lb) with Michael Jarvis' Rainbow Peak and the John Gosden-trained King Of Wands both on 52.5kg (8st 4lb).


Melbourne Cup weights
58kg

Alandi (IRE)
Efficient (NZ)

57.5kg

Cavalryman (GB)
Jaguar Mail (JPN)
Mastery (GB)


57.0kg

Meiner Kitz (JPN)
Rite Of Passage (GB)
Shocking (AUS)


56.0kg

Campanologist (USA)
Metal Bender (NZ)
So You Think (NZ)
55.5kg

Rebel Raider (AUS)
Zipping (AUS)


55.0kg

Illustrious Blue (GB)
Littorio (AUS)
Mr Medici (IRE)
Sans Frontieres (IRE)
Shoot Out (AUS)
Sirmione (AUS)
54.5kg

Tactic (GB)
Tokai Trick (JPN)
54.0kg

Americain (USA)
Buccellati (GB)
C'est La Guerre (NZ)
Doctor Fremantle (GB)
Harris Tweed (NZ)
Manighar (FR)
Master O'Reilly (NZ)
Monaco Consul (NZ)
Profound Beauty (IRE)
Triple Honour (NZ)
Zavite (NZ)
53.5kg

Alcopop (AUS)
Bauer (IRE)
Holberg (UAE)
Meisho Dontaku (JPN)
Mourayan (IRE)
Purple Moon (IRE)
Red Ruler (NZ)
Speed Gifted (GB)
Vigor (NZ)
53.0kg

Drunken Sailor (IRE)
Golden Sword (GB)
No Wine No Song (AUS)
Zabrasive (NZ)


52.5kg

Akmal (GB)
Capecover (NZ)
Claremont (IRE)
Descarado (NZ)
Jessicabeel (NZ)
King Of Wands (GB)
Rainbow Peak (IRE)
52.0kg

Black Mamba (NZ)
Dangerous Midge (USA)
Faint Perfume (AUS)
Hissing Sid (AUS)
Lords Ransom (AUS)
Los Cristianos (FR)
Moatize (AUS)
51.5kg

Above Average (IRE)
Dariana (AUS)
Extra Zero (AUS)
Fanjura (IRE)
Herculian Prince (NZ)
Kibbutz (NZ)
Newport (AUS)
Once More Dubai (USA)
Once Were Wild (AUS)
Raffaello (AUS)
The Fuzz (NZ)


51.0kg

Chartreux (AUS)
Coniston Bluebird (AUS)
Empires Choice (NZ)
Gorky Park (NZ)
Grand Ducal (IRE)
Kutchinsky (AUS)
Largo Lad (AUS)
Linton (AUS)
Moudre (AUS)
Pompeyano (IRE)
Sculptor (NZ)
Shamoline Warrior (AUS)
Sterling Prince (NZ)
Trusting (AUS)
White Pilgrim (JPN)
50.5kg

Darley Sun (IRE)
Eastern Aria (UAE)
Libel Law (GB)
Precedence (NZ)
Shahwardi (FR)
Small Minds (AUS)
50.0kg

Ajhar (USA)
Akzar (IRE)
All Time Champion (AUS)
Ananias (AUS)
Another Legend (AUS)
Anudjawun (NZ)
Apprehend (AUS)
Asso Bello (AUS)
Avienus (AUS)
Ballygoran (NZ)
Baron (AUS)
Basaltico (IRE)
Base (NZ)
Becqu Adoree (FR)
Berlioz (NZ)
Billson (AUS)
Bint Maher (AUS)
Bolton (NZ)
Booming (NZ)
Brightnight (NZ)
By The Way (AUS)
Cats Fun (AUS)
Cedarberg (AUS)
Checkaboard Lounge (NZ)
Cheviot Beach (AUS)
Count Encosta (AUS)
Crocodile Canyon (NZ)
Daad's Overtime (NZ)
Dancing David (IRE)
Double Whisky (NZ)
Doubtful Jack (AUS)
Dual Hemisphere (AUS)
Dundrum (AUS)
Echelon (AUS)
Elaparado (NZ)
Emblem Of Liberty (SAF)
Eraset (AUS)
Exalted Ego (AUS)
Exceptionally (NZ)
Fairfield Flame (GER)
Fairygem (NZ)
Fortuni (IRE)
Frozone (NZ)
Fuji Fame (AUS)
Gallant Lady (AUS)
Get Up Jude (AUS)
Ghostmilk (IRE)
Go With The Flo (NZ)
Golden Charmer (AUS)
Gothic Crown (AUS)
Happy Spirit (SAF)
Hastein (NZ)
Hillstreet (AUS)
Holloway Castle (NZ)
Home On A Wing (AUS)
Hume (NZ)
Imposing (GB)
Indite (NZ)
Interlocking (NZ)
Irel (NZ)
Ishant (AUS)
Jeuneys End (AUS)
Joe Blow (AUS)
Jungle Rocket (NZ)
Just A Blaze (NZ)
Kaleske (AUS)
Keep The Peace (NZ)
King Of Mountains (AUS)
Lady Eclair (IRE)
Landlocked (NZ)
Landlord (AUS)
Laristan (FR)
Legislature (AUS)
Leica Falcon (AUS)
Leica Larrikin (AUS)
Lethal Arrow (AUS)
Livia (AUS)
Look Now (AUS)
Macedonian (NZ)
Maestro Of Murano (AUS)
Majestic Concorde (IRE)
Maluckyday (NZ)
Martial Law (IRE)
Martin Place (AUS)
Martyr (GB)
Mateo (AUS)
Miles Above (AUS)
Miss Alia (NZ)
Miss Darcey (AUS)
My Keepsake (NZ)
Moncalieri (AUS)
Montahlia (NZ)
Montjeu Madame (NZ)
Moshav (NZ)
Mr Charlie (NZ)
Muir (GB)
My Bentley (NZ)
My Central (ITY)
Naadji (NZ)
Natural High (IRE)
Nazabeel (NZ)
Niptious (AUS)
Nitonic (AUS)
Nothin' Leica Cat (NZ)
Oak Heart (AUS)
Ocean Dream (AUS)
Olympic Win (NZ)
Our Aristocrat (GB)
Our Cannavaro (NZ)
Our Destiny (NZ)
Our Kobi Jade (AUS)
Our Rockhampton (IRE)
Pento Diablo (AUS)
Persian Star (AUS)
Phantom Agent (AUS)
Phaze Action (AUS)
Polly's Mark (IRE)
Red Colossus (AUS)
Reigning Rhythm (AUS)
Reprisal (AUS)
Right Fong (AUS)
Rowland (AUS)
Run For Naara (AUS)
Rundle (AUS)
Saint Encosta (AUS)
Sainthood (AUS)
Salinas (AUS)
Scouting Wide (NZ)
Sea Galleon (AUS)
Sherpa Tenzing (NZ)
Smokin' Gun (NZ)
Snake Gully (NZ)
Snow Alert (AUS)
Soaring Dragon (AUS)
Sopranist (GB)
Spacecraft (AUS)
Stanstill (IRE)
Star Ripper (AUS)
Stillman (USA)
Streetfighter (AUS)
Sunday Mist (AUS)
Sunset Cafe (AUS)
Tarawera (AUS)
The Hombre (AUS)
The Miniver Rose (IRE)
Three Orion (JPN)
Tobique (AUS)
Token Of Honour (AUS)
Tora Tora Tora (AUS)
Triumphant Choice (AUS)
Tullamore (NZ)
Two For Tea (NZ)
Valdemoro (AUS)
Vesper (AUS)
Warringah (GB)
Well Rounded (AUS)
Why Wouldya (NZ)
Wow (NZ)
Zabdued (NZ)
Zaman (NZ)
Zampara (AUS)
Zantelagh (AUS)
49.0kg

Dubawi's Daughter (AUS)
Sugar Bush (NZ)
Try Pickle (AUS)

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By:
kwality
When: 01 Sep 10 10:54
Profound Beauty backers must be happy with that :) ;)
By:
AussiInUK
When: 01 Sep 10 11:43
Bauer off 53Kg looks a very interesting prospect indeed
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 01 Sep 10 15:00
King of Wands is quite interesting for Gosden imo.

8stone4 looks very workable.

Noticed Craig Williams has flown over to Japan to ride Jaguar Mail a couple of times so guess thats his Melbourne Cup ride.

Delta Blues carried a big weight to win this and this fella just might be able to tough it out. Classy enough.
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 01 Sep 10 15:03
So what do u guys think about SO YOU THINK?
By:
ABJ
When: 01 Sep 10 16:08
Jaguar Mail/Meiner Kitz not starting.
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 01 Sep 10 16:41
:o
By:
Me2
When: 01 Sep 10 19:22
I've come across several people who reckon So You Think has too much weight.  Personally, I think he has been given a good weight, and has been treated leniently because he has never run beyond 10f - it is just a question of whether he stands up to training, can settle at 2m, and his breathing is okay.

Can't have a bet at that price though.
By:
Doctor Feelgood
When: 01 Sep 10 21:06
Is Imposing a likely runner?
By:
Me2
When: 01 Sep 10 21:29
He was sold to Lloyd Williams, wasn't he?  Arrives in Australia next week?  Needs to find form and win something to get into the race.  Not quite good enough at the moment.
By:
myscrappy
When: 02 Sep 10 03:05
highly weighted stayers from england usually fail but im very interested in king of wands as a light weight chance.. were hearing no word of who's coming over  and who's not  so i hope he is still being set for the race
By:
Worlds Best Punter
When: 02 Sep 10 21:37
I've heard that likely European raiders are Rite of Passage, Profound Beauty, Sans Frontieres, Drunken Sailor, Manighar, Americain and possibly Stanstill plus whatever Godolphin send over. The others have already been ruled out.
By:
Me2
When: 02 Sep 10 22:30
Yeah, officially Weld will make a decision about his other two after the Irish St Leger meeting.  He's got all four running there.
By:
Mooono
When: 02 Sep 10 23:44
Fancy Linton for the cup..Looked a monster of a horse when taking the Alister Clark Stakes earlier in the year..Will watch his come back run on Saturday before having a nibble at him for the big 1..
By:
ta1
When: 03 Sep 10 14:08
Standstill on it was. arrives AFL Grand Final Day.
Owned by OTI Racing.
big odds still on offer here
By:
Me2
When: 03 Sep 10 16:10
Can't get in, unless there is some nice h'cap on a synthetic surface for him to win.
By:
top3 makin ahern and de souza
When: 03 Sep 10 17:36
feint perfume for me
By:
ta1
When: 04 Sep 10 08:05
Geelong cup. me2
i would think its goes there
By:
Me2
When: 04 Sep 10 08:53
ta ta

ta ta
By:
Worlds Best Punter
When: 04 Sep 10 16:10
Stanstill goes for the Mooney Valley or Geelong Cup needing a win to get in
By:
Mooono
When: 04 Sep 10 16:40
Whats with the move in the market for shocking into 12's cant see him winning it twice..Good comeback run for Linton last night staying on into 3rd..
By:
Me2
When: 04 Sep 10 18:22
Shocking won the Makybe Diva this morning, won't get penalised.

http://horseracing.bigpondsport.com/livevideoreplays/tabid/75/meetid/3886/default.aspx
By:
Me2
When: 04 Sep 10 18:24
Race 7, Flemington.
By:
Lumberg
When: 07 Sep 10 14:32
Apologies if this has been asked before, but would Profound Beauty or Rite Of Passage receive a penalty for this if they won the Irish Leger?
By:
Me2
When: 07 Sep 10 18:25
No.  Penalties only for winning h'caps (of a certain distance?).
By:
Lumberg
When: 07 Sep 10 20:30
Thanks for that Me2.
By:
STELLAR MANIPULATOR
When: 08 Sep 10 00:28
Winning the Irish St Leger does allow the handicapper to allot a discretionary penalty - he had the option with Septimus a couple of years ago but declined to do so . When Vintage Crop won the Irish Leger at that time there was no penalty clause for the race with the result that VC was well in at the weights and so it proved.That was probably why it was changed to allow a penalty subsequently.
By:
Me2
When: 08 Sep 10 14:36
What, so Carpenter can hand out discetionary penalties for victories in WFA races beyond 2300m, but not below??
By:
neill d
When: 08 Sep 10 15:12
Why would someone aim Alandi at the Melbourne Cup, needs a longer trip on fast ground and is weighed to the hilt. He could have had a very good season in Europe, now he's prepping in mile races and coming last. The new owners must not know much about how to place him.
By:
askari1
When: 08 Sep 10 18:02
Immediate reactions are that Profound Beauty and Linton are well-weighted.

King of Wands may have little experience for the race and could need an end-to-end gallop.

Cumani's horses seem badly-weighted and Weld's much better in.
By:
askari1
When: 08 Sep 10 18:05
Purple Moon may be the exception among Cuman's horses but is he as good as he was? If this is his target retaining his ability over shorter distances, he must have a big chance...
By:
Me2
When: 08 Sep 10 19:06
King Of Wands and Purple Moon weren't among the first acceptors this week.  This is the full list of horses that were WITHDRAWN:-


Efficient
Jaguar Mail
Mastery
Meiner Kitz
Littorio
Sirmione
Meisho Dontaku
Purple Moon
Golden Sword
Claremont
King Of Wands
Rainbow Peak
Dangerous Midge
Los Cristianos
Kibbutz
Raffaello
The Fuzz
Coniston Bluebird
Grand Ducal
Kutchinsky
Sculptor
Shamoline Warrior
White Pilgrim
Shahwardi
All Time Champion
Ananias
Another Legend
Asso Bello
Baron
Base
Bint Maher
Bolton
By The Way
Checkaboard Lounge
Cheviot Beach
Daad's Overtime
Dancing David
Double Whisky
Dual Hemisphere
Dundrum
Echelon
Elaparado
Eraset
Exalted Ego
Fairygem
Fortuni
Frozone
Fuji Fame
Go With The Flo
Hillstreet
Holloway Castle
Hume
Indite
Interlocking
Ishant
Jungle Rocket
Just A Blaze
Kaleske
Legislature
Leica Falcon
Leica Larrikin
Livia
Look Now
Maestro Of Murano
Martin Place
Martyr
Mateo
Miss Darcey
Moncalieri
Moshav
My Central
Natural High
Nitonic
Oak Heart
Our Destiny
Our Kobi Jade
Our Rockhampton
Pento Diablo
Phantom Agent
Polly's Mark
Red Colossus
Reigning Rhythm
Reprisal
Rowland
Snake Gully
Soaring Dragon
Spacecraft
Stillman (Malibu Bay)
Streetfighter
Sunday Mist
Sunset Cafe
Tarawera
The Miniver Rose
Three Orion
Tobique
Tora Tora Tora
Tullamore
Two For Tea
Vesper
Why Wouldya
Zaman
Zampara
Dubawi's Daughter
Sugar Bush
Try Pickle
By:
Mooono
When: 08 Sep 10 19:45
Whos your early fancys for the race Me2 you seem pretty clued up when it comes to aus racing..So far im with the two Weld runners and Linton..
By:
Me2
When: 08 Sep 10 20:52
I have a rather cowardly tactic Mooono of trying to back the horses that I think will make the final field, so that I don't care who wins! Laugh

Only started following the aussie racing a year ago.

Of the Brits, I've changed my mind about Holberg in the past couple of days.  After the September Stakes I was disappointed in his performance, but I think that was mainly because I was watching Laaheb.  He was running on well enough at the end of the race.

Was originally clouded by Luca's opinion that Drunken Sailor was just a 107 rated 1m4f horse.  The thing to bear in mind though is that coming second in a h'cap such as the Northumberland Plate shows improved form.  The horse has been improving all year, which is nice.

Of the aussies, Rebel Raider.  I've rather stupidly made Rebel Raider my main bet for the Caulfield Cup, and he ain't qualified for it yet! Cry  However, the favourite Moudre ain't qualified for it yet either, so I'm not the only silly one.
Here is a video of RR winning the Victoria Derby a couple of years ago, before having a while off with I think a chip removed after kicking his stable or sumfink.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTxJbzueMM
Rather hoping he returns to that kind of form, but was disappointing in the wet last Saturday.

Gai Waterhouse doesn't have rich history with the Melbourne Cup, but she is making a go of it this year with some kiwi imports, mainly Descarado and Herculian Prince.  I'm going along for the ride. Plain .  Descarado was disappointing when he ran a few weeks ago, but reportedly has turned the corner.   Herculian Prince ran a good 3rd in a 7f G3 H'cap last Saturday.
http://horseracing.bigpondsport.com/livevideoreplays/tabid/75/meetid/3886/default.aspx
Randwick, Race 6.
Herculian Prince ain't yet qualified for the Melbourne Cup and needs to do something to (a) qualify and (b) win a race and get a weight penalty to get into the race.


I've rather lost focus in looking for the Melbourne Cup winner, and instead I'm enjoying the spectacle of high class horses running each Saturday for the next two months.
By:
Me2
When: 08 Sep 10 21:11
Sorry, misinformation.

Moudre passed the first qualifying cluase for the Caulfield Cup on 28th August.  I reported it elsewhere at the time.
By:
Me2
When: 08 Sep 10 21:23
I had better clarify that a bit more.  Although Moudre has passed the first hurdle for the Caulfield cup, he is unlikely to get into the race because of his light weight.  That is why they are trying to win the Naturalism Stakes to get exempt status, and that was why I was thinking in my mind that he wasn't qualified.
By:
Mooono
When: 08 Sep 10 21:34
Yea good write up..I backed that Drunken Sailor a few Saturdays back looks a horse on the upgrade..Ive been watching the Aus racing for a few years now in the early hours on ATR but only have a bet on the big meetings..The Melbourne Cup is 1 of my fav races of the year love the build up and has been a lucky race for me in the past..

Also just read Rite Of Passage is set to miss the Irish St Ledger after failing to please Weld in a gallop..So he wont be getting no Penalty for winning that now.
By:
Me2
When: 08 Sep 10 22:06
One thing I'd like to comment on are the fillies and mares.  I know they have put up impressive performances, but I'm surprised by how short they are in the market, and it has been consistent.  26 Dariana, 25 Faint Perfume, 32 Jessicabeel.  It was the same thing last year with Daffodil.  I wonder whether some people are looking for the next Makybe Diva, and that is influencing the prices?
By:
STELLAR MANIPULATOR
When: 08 Sep 10 22:38
Just to clarify precisely the penalty rules : any handicap winner at 1600m and longer is eligible for a penalty as is any wfa or stakes winner at 2300m or longer after the publication of the weights. There is an interesting insight on the BHA Handicappers Blog this week on who their staying handicapper believes may have been let in lightly in the Cup from GB this year....
By:
ta1
When: 08 Sep 10 23:48
Agree Me2. the mares are very short at teh moment for the race. They are however trained by the master. J B ****S. so you cannot count them out yet.
Cumani almost certain to bring 2 horses.
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