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By:
ta1
When: 08 Sep 10 23:49
why has a trainers surname come up as starts
its Bart C u m m ings
By:
Me2
When: 09 Sep 10 17:14
First official Order of Entry for the three features here:-

http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/p_Feature_Races_.aspx


The one for the Melbourne Cup is below.  Position in the Order Of Entry is on the left.  If there is no number there, then the horse hasn't passed the qualifying clause yet.

Number on the right is prizemoney since 1st Aug 2008.  Eastern Aria will have gone up a place or two after today's victory.



1        Alandi    781165       
                   
        So You Think    2376850        Not qualified
2        Cavalryman    2110215       
                   
3        Shocking    4143525       
4        Rite Of Passage    365974       
                   
5        Shoot Out    1571950       
                   
        Metal Bender    1507350        Not qualified
6        Campanologist    758685       
                   
7        Zipping    1874000       
8        Monaco Consul    1278355       
9        Rebel Raider    1247290       
10        Profound Beauty    614008       
                   
11        Mr Medici    2348423       
12        Faint Perfume    1436290       
13        Illustrious Blue    336994       
14        Sans Frontieres    240028       
                   
15        Tokai Trick    1468108       
16        Dariana    445165       
17        Zabrasive    441050       
18        Once Were Wild    312150       
19        Tactic    168078       
                   
20        Zavite    1677766       
21        Master O'Reilly    973250       
22        Harris Tweed    724919       
23        C'Est La Guerre    694250       
        Triple Honour    637950        Not qualified
24        Buccellati    561361       
25        Manighar    502343       
26        Jessicabeel    464900       
27        Americain    424398       
28        Descarado    331183       
29        Doctor Fremantle    280283       
                   
30        Bauer    971324       
31        Vigor    877675       
32        Black Mamba    796454       
33        Red Ruler    681982       
34        Mourayan    485802       
35        Alcopop    384055       
36        Speed Gifted    366108       
        Small Minds    305045        Not qualified
37        Holberg    190468       
                   
38        Extra Zero    597250       
39        Drunken Sailor    503660       
40        No Wine No Song    243750       
                   
41        Capecover    757596       
42        Chartreux    469442       
        Trusting    371700        Not qualified
43        Akmal    362686       
44        Keep The Peace    345261       
45        Valdemoro    341888       
46        Miss Keepsake    327656       
        Linton    210400        Not qualified
                   
47        Moatize    501330       
48        Lords Ransom    441400       
49        Eastern Aria    396004       
50        Hissing Sid    341080       
                   
51        Newport    810900       
        Doubtful Jack    483665        Not qualified
52        Once More Dubai    275581       
        Fanjura    264134        Not qualified
        Herculian Prince    212186        Not qualified
53        Above Average    171062       
                   
54        Largo Lad    509488       
55        Run For Naara    256380       
56        Sterling Prince    247794       
        Moudre    188450        Not qualified
        Pompeyano    175596        Not qualified
        Gorky Park    700        Not qualified
        Empires Choice    0        Not qualified
                   
57        Persian Star    321846       
58        Darley Sun    318634       
59        Precedence    298970       
        The Hombre    156224        Not qualified
        Count Encosta    143150        Not qualified
60        Laristan    130522       
61        Lady Eclair    103124       
        Libel Law    97799        Not qualified
                   
        Snow Alert    399200        Not qualified
62        Scouting Wide    339080       
        Apprehend    297542        Not qualified
63        Berlioz    288425       
        Right Fong    249695        Not qualified
64        Booming    237651       
65        Phaze Action    236468       
        Sainthood    223080        Not qualified
        Avienus    204438        Not qualified
        Ghostmilk    197656        Not qualified
66        Get Up Jude    174050       
67        Ajhar    163840       
        Emblem Of Liberty    160241        Not qualified
68        Nothin' Leica Cat    153870       
        Miles Above    145729        Not qualified
        Our Cannavaro    145688        Not qualified
69        Exceptionally    145457       
70        Becqu Adoree    138252       
        Montahlia    131101        Not qualified
71        Sopranist    126090       
        Salinas    121235        Not qualified
72        Basaltico    119663       
        Montjeu Madame    118025        Not qualified
        Golden Charmer    115785        Not qualified
73        Warringah    103804       
        Niptious    101328        Not qualified
        Martial Law    98429        Not qualified
74        Mr Charlie    96826       
        Muir (Johann Zoffany)    96005        Not qualified
        Stanstill    89497        Not qualified
        Token Of Honour    87626        Not qualified
        Star Ripper    86910        Not qualified
        Macedonian    81001        Not qualified
        Saint Encosta    78675        Not qualified
75        Gallant Lady    78400       
        Naadji    75738        Not qualified
76        Rundle    74900       
        Landlord    72900        Not qualified
        Triumphant Choice    72225        Not qualified
        Well Rounded    69270        Not qualified
        Jeuneys End    67095        Not qualified
        Zantelagh    66875        Not qualified
        Imposing    59715        Not qualified
        Ocean Dream    58675        Not qualified
        Joe Blow    58530        Not qualified
        Landlocked    56320        Not qualified
        Miss Alia    51800        Not qualified
        Olympic Win    51350        Not qualified
        My Bentley    51008        Not qualified
77        Sea Galleon    49540       
        Majestic Concorde    48186        Not qualified
        Hastein    44420        Not qualified
        Maluckyday    44186        Not qualified
        Sherpa Tenzing    44155        Not qualified
        Happy Spirit    43683        Not qualified
78        Fairfield Flame    39892       
        Brightnight    39850        Not qualified
79        Akzar    37374       
        Gothic Crown    33430        Not qualified
        Billson    30242        Not qualified
        Smokin' Gun    29151        Not qualified
        Home On A Wing    26360        Not qualified
        Crocodile Canyon    24766        Not qualified
        Cedarberg    24267        Not qualified
        Our Aristocrat    22900        Not qualified
        King Of Mountains    21885        Not qualified
        Anudjawun    17825        Not qualified
        Cats Fun    16250        Not qualified
        Ballygoran    15887        Not qualified
        Nazabeel    15887        Not qualified
        Lethal Arrow    13725        Not qualified
        Zabdued    12880        Not qualified
        Irel    12441        Not qualified
        Wow    3841        Not qualified
By:
Me2
When: 10 Sep 10 21:43
I was thinking that following my mention of Gai that I ought to post this article:-


Gai Waterhouse tells how Tulloch Lodge almost went broke

    * Ray Thomas
    * From: The Daily Telegraph
    * September 10, 2010 12:00AM

THE knives were out. She had lost her Sydney trainers premiership title, the winners had dried up and the business was under financial pressure.

This was to be a seminal moment for Gai Waterhouse. Success had followed her everywhere and criticism was largely foreign to a trainer more used to widespread acclaim.

But instead of ignoring her detractors, Waterhouse took a more pragmatic view of the situation.

"The criticism didn't upset me because it was true - we weren't getting the results," Waterhouse said in a remarkable admission.

"So, it was pretty simple, I had to train more winners. To do that, I knew I had to change things around because if I didn't we would have gone broke."

Waterhouse might have been a little melodramatic - she used to tread the boards as a television and stage actress after all - but her point was well made and revealing.

Using the criticism as motivation, Waterhouse has "gone back to basics" and the famous production line of winners out of Tulloch Lodge has roared back to life in recent weeks.

She led in a hat-trick of winners at Royal Randwick last Saturday including the Chelmsford Stakes and Furious Stakes and has another powerful team of runners at Rosehill Gardens tomorrow.

Her all-star team is led by glamour mare More Joyous in the Group Two $200,000 Theo Marks Stakes, Melbourne Cup hopefuls Herculian Prince (Group Three $125,000 Kingston Town Stakes) and Descarado (Theo Marks), Montana Flyer (Group Three $125,000 Research Stakes) and unbeaten Halekulani (Listed $120,000 Heritage Stakes).

But really there wasn't much wrong to start with. Racing's first lady still had a 2009/10 season most trainers would love to have - leading in 137 wins in total, 73 in Sydney and five at Group One Level. But she endured a quiet winter with only a handful of runners and winners, sparking the criticism.

Waterhouse's comeback probably began to materialise the day she won an extraordinary 17 heats at a Randwick barrier trial session early in August. The trainer likes to test her horses in trials but this was something else again. However, the reality is she had been plotting the resurgence for some weeks, according to her husband, leading bookmaker Rob Waterhouse.

"Gai is an extraordinary person, she's always so positive, but probably her biggest problem is she is too nice and can't say no to anyone," he revealed.

"She always gives 100 per cent in everything she does but now she is giving more of her herself to training her horses. In Gai's business, as a horse trainer you really need to be right on top of things or it just doesn't work.

"She's a great trainer and it was just a matter of getting her priorities right again."

The couple were holidaying overseas in June when the trainer determined how she would turn the stable's fortunes around.

"I remember saying to Rob that when we returned home I was going to roll up my sleeves, get back to the stables and spend more time with the horses, study them, see for myself what they needed," she continued. "The only way to do that is to put the hours in."

It is difficult to imagine any trainer working harder than Waterhouse. She rises at 3am most mornings and it is nothing for her to work up to 18 hours a day. She is a driven woman but retains an infectious "joie de vivre" about her work and life.

Waterhouse has plenty to be cheerful about as she has developed arguably one of the strongest spring carnival teams of her career.

The trainer is hoping either More Joyous or warhorse Theseo can provide her an elusive Cox Plate next month.

More Joyous, aiming for her sixth stakes win in succession tomorrow, was awesome winning the Sheraco Stakes first-up two weeks ago.

Despite carrying 59kg, she produced some amazing sectional times in sweeping to an easy win - recording 33.09s for her final 600m, 21.71s for 400m and 11.11s over the last 200m.

"She is one of the most naturally talented horses I've ever had," Waterhouse said of More Joyous. "She is so much bigger and stronger now and I'm sure she will cope with more racing."

Waterhouse said More Joyous' initial aim was the $500,000 Epsom Handicap (1600m) at Royal Randwick on October 2 in preparation for the $3 million Cox Plate (2040m) at Moonee Valley on October 23.

"I think she might need another run before the Epsom - either the Shannon Stakes or the George Main Stakes," the trainer added. "I'll just see how she goes [tomorrow]."

More Joyous is raced by John Singleton who Waterhouse reserved particular praise.

"Everyone has 'Singo' down as a lucky owner," Waterhouse said. "But he's not lucky, he's just very good at breeding top-class racehorses.

"I don't think 'Singo' gets the credit he deserves. He has got the best boutique band of broodmares in the country that goes right back to a wonderful mare my father trained, Denise's Joy.

"He puts his mares to the best stallions like More Than Ready and the results are phenomenal. More Than Ready is a super sire and 'Singo' is on to another winner with his new stallion Big Brown."

Not only has Waterhouse changed her training routine, she is also concentrating more on developing quality stayers in a bid to finally win a Melbourne Cup.

When she first took out a trainer's licence, Waterhouse cut her teeth preparing stayers and had Melbourne Cup second placings with Te Akau Nick (1993) and Nothin' Leica Dane (1995).

But Waterhouse hasn't had a Melbourne Cup runner since Mr Celebrity ran unplaced five years ago and is desperate to be back on Australian racing's big stage.

"I so dearly want to win the Melbourne Cup," she said.

"I haven't had a runner for a few years and I told Rob I was sick of not having a good stayer in the stable.

"He then went out and found some very good, tried New Zealand stayers in Herculian Prince and Descarado.

"He's a genius at finding these good stayers early in their careers and it's a method we used with a lot of success in the past. We found stayers like Te Akau Nick, Hula Flight, Electronic and Coco Cobanna this way."

Waterhouse said about a decade ago she decided to concentrate more on training sprinter-milers and this left the stable cupboard bare of quality stayers for a few years.

"My clients wanted the more precocious types so we were more actively trying to find Golden Slipper horses," Waterhouse said.

"For a while there I went away from the stayers a bit but I love training these distance horses. It's very satisfying to watch a quality stayer emerge."

Waterhouse believes she has three legitimate Cups contenders this spring in Herculian Prince, Descarado and AJC Australian Oaks winner Once Were Wild.

"I still have to qualify Herculian Prince for the Cups but he is doing everything right," she continued.

"His run in the Tramway [third to Neeson] last week was outstanding but just wait until he gets to 2000m. He's crying out for this distance. He's heading towards The Metropolitan and then he'll go to Melbourne.

"Descarado is already qualified for the Cups because of his second in the [AJC Australian] Derby to John Wallace's very good horse [Shoot Out]. I'll send him to Melbourne after [tomorrow's] race.

"I can't tell you how excited I am with Once Were Wild. This mare, who is another bred and owned by 'Singo', is the ideal Caulfield Cup horse.

"She's in for a big spring - I've never been so confident about a horse going into the feature races as I am with her."

Despite losing her premiership title to Peter Snowden, Waterhouse revealed it isn't high on her priorities to regain the title this season.

"The only goal I've set for myself is to improve my strike-rate and try to win as many Group One races as I can," Waterhouse said.

The final word goes to Rob Waterhouse who found an ideal way to encapsulate his wife's training career.

"They once said Gai only trained stayers and couldn't train two-year-olds but she proved them wrong," he said.

"Then they said Gai couldn't train fillies, then it was stallions and she proved them wrong again.

"The only thing left for her to prove now is whether she can train hurdlers and steeplechasers. I'm sure she can but she will probably never get the chance."


A bit of a confession, that she wasn't spending enough time with the horses! Shocked
By:
BOARD ODDS
When: 10 Sep 10 22:08
Big Moves on Booming, Akmal, Muir,
Interesting to see how they shape up .
long way to Go at this point in time.
By:
Mooono
When: 18 Sep 10 23:36
So You Think was very impressive last night beat shocking who could only finish 4th with minimum ease...Also seen that Camponologist is being  prepared for a tilt at the Melbourne Cup..Goldolphin always has 1 horse that runs a nice race i cant see this horse being it though..
By:
bobby.s
When: 19 Sep 10 01:05
it was 1m1f has little bearing on the Melbourne Cup besides the fact Shocking was so impressive again over a short distance
By:
ta1
When: 20 Sep 10 00:37
So You Think won 2nd up 1800m.
Master trainer.
Won with ease. could be something very special.
By:
bobby.s
When: 20 Sep 10 11:22
agreed they should be aiming for breeders cup classic with this, certainly not melbourne cup
By:
Me2
When: 20 Sep 10 17:43
I think some people are being blinded by how brilliant So You Think is at 7-10f, and just assuming that the horse won't get 2 miles.

He is by High Chapparal, who won the Derby and Irish Derby, and was 3rd in two Arcs.

Kudos to whoever has heard of the Damsire, Tights. Shocked  Is by Nijinsky, so there is more stamina there.

In the bottom quadrant is the Derby winner Pinza.


If he stays fit, and doesn't go over the top, I think the big question isn't whether he will stay, but will he settle.  Remember, in his barnstorming win in the Cox Plate, after the initial hurry up to get a good position it was the horse's decision to stroll on, not the jockey's.  The jockey just went along with it.
By:
ta1
When: 22 Sep 10 13:34
WHAT are the IRISH doing?
Rite of Passage and Profound Beauty.  Trainer does it every year, never gives intentions clearly
By:
sintonian
When: 22 Sep 10 17:05
yep Weld does that quite often. Very coy about his targets for horses, very coy indeed. Borderline infuritating .. what's the big secret ?!
By:
Mooono
When: 22 Sep 10 19:03
Rite Of Passage ruled out of Melbourne Cup...Weld will make a decision on the participation of stablemate Profound Beauty in two weeks.
By:
Solon25
When: 01 Nov 10 13:00
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By:
Me2
When: 01 Nov 10 16:39
Me2
08 Sep 10 21:06 
One thing I'd like to comment on are the fillies and mares.  I know they have put up impressive performances, but I'm surprised by how short they are in the market, and it has been consistent.  26 Dariana, 25 Faint Perfume, 32 Jessicabeel.  It was the same thing last year with Daffodil.  I wonder whether some people are looking for the next Makybe Diva, and that is influencing the prices?


Well, got that bit right at least.  All three got withdrawn on Saturday. Shocked
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