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1 750993 Akarem K R Burke 6 90 99 99 0-7 3-21
2 094932 Bandama Mrs A J Perrett 4 90 99 100 1-9 0-7
3 0-7008 Bazart K R Burke 5 87 98 88 0-2 0-1
4 331811 Black Rock M A Jarvis 3 Philip Robinson 97 99 91 0-2 1-1
5 425507 Chicken Soup D J Murphy 5 95 89 71 1-6 0-0
6 463244 Chocolate Caramel Mrs A J Perrett 5 84 89 74 0-3 1-11
7 21/442 Cutting Crew W R Swinburn 6 95 102 95 0-3 2-5
8 21-072 Dollar Chick M Johnston 3 73 78 80 0-2 0-1
9 438251 Dzesmin R C Guest 5 83 89 70 5-10 3-11
10 113613 Esthlos J Jay 4 Luke Morris(3) 83 94 83 0-1 1-3
11 513-32 Gabier G L Moore 4 82 88 59 0-0 0-6
12 7-1201 Greek Envoy T P Tate 3 103 109 93 0-1 1-2
13 098084 Happy As Larry D J Murphy 5 67 74 58 0-4 0-0
14 333112 Harry Tricker Mrs A J Perrett 3 93 97 79 1-2 0-2
15 1-0641 Heaven Knows W J Haggas 4 R Hills 94 103 98 0-2 0-1
16 623198 Heron Bay G Wragg 3 Steve Drowne 105 103 103 1-3 1-4
17 90-554 Inchloch B G Powell 5 82 89 84 1-3 0-3
18 619295 John Terry Mrs A J Perrett 4 91 98 92 1-4 1-6
19 -28076 Kings Quay J J Quinn 5 86 88 67 0-8 0-4
20 078471 La Estrella D E Cantillon 4 84 83 64 0-1 2-9
21 /31-67 Lake Toya Saeed Bin Suroor 5 100 97 85 0-0 0-3
22 624238 Lundys Lane A M Balding 7 Francis Norton 97 106 102 2-19 0-5
23 211471 Malt Or Mash R Hannon 3 97 105 105 2-2 1-2
24 324740 Mighty Moon J OReilly 4 James OReilly(5) 71 86 57 0-7 0-6
25 221448 Minkowski J E Hammond 4 99 96 0-0 1-2
26 143162 Music Review R A Fahey 3 78 80 70 1-1 2-8
27 11-241 New Guinea Saeed Bin Suroor 4 103 106 94 0-5 2-4
28 030016 Night Crescendo Mrs A J Perrett 4 94 103 87 0-5 0-0
29 266441 Oh Glory Be R Hannon 4 86 98 87 0-2 2-7
30 830134 Philanthropy K A Ryan 3 N Callan 90 96 75 1-2 1-4
31 111 Pippa Greene P F I Cole 3 Jamie Spencer 97 101 63 0-0 1-1
32 416 Prairie Tiger N J Vaughan 3 80 83 46 0-1 0-0
33 /12-55 Rampallion Saeed Bin Suroor 4 96 103 103 0-1 0-2
34 599120 Realism M W Easterby 7 89 95 88 4-17 0-6
35 344122 Sanbuch L M Cumani 3 99 108 109 1-4 0-3
36 089005 Spume D J Murphy 3 65 69 68 0-3 0-0
37 3-6612 St Savarin R A Fahey 6 95 101 55 1-9 1-8
38 42211 Tropical Strait D W P Arbuthnot 4 86 66 49 0-0 2-3
39 211210 Turn Of Phrase N Wilson 8 75 79 64 2-7 4-13
40 54706- Wingman G L Moore 5 76 - - 0-8 0-12
41 1-8825 Young Mick G G Margarson 5 103 111 45 2-8 6-13

fyi - very little rain due in the next week so some at the top of the market might be taken on eg pippa ;)

opinions welcome
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Report Horsesforcourses November 6, 2007 11:03 AM GMT
Well I thought they were earlier...
Report Academic Rambler November 6, 2007 11:03 AM GMT
:0 Cheers bud, must admit I just flashed oddschecker up for the price. Haven't gone in yet guess I need to look around and thank you v.much for the heads up ! ;)
Report Academic Rambler November 6, 2007 11:04 AM GMT
Maybe the gamble has started already :^0
Report Academic Rambler November 6, 2007 11:06 AM GMT
Sponsors showing 16s... Labducks are 20s though...
Report Academic Rambler November 6, 2007 11:07 AM GMT
Only 12s @ Korals :0
Report Horsesforcourses November 6, 2007 11:10 AM GMT
Just about to mention Lads! Doesn't show on the main page in Oddschecker but if click on the horse's name (for the history) it shows all current prices including some aren't on the main screen. Lads one example... Often find this the case with AP markets.
Report Academic Rambler November 6, 2007 11:13 AM GMT
See if he runs now worth a tickle for me in case he does cheers HFC.

The MoM / Sanbuch form is also strong my concern was MoM's number of races but he's a tough bugger sure to run well so gl !
Report Horsesforcourses November 6, 2007 11:42 AM GMT
No of runs is my main concern but it appears he's been freshened up with this in mind. Sponsors now go 8s from 12s :0
Report Dark Destroyer November 6, 2007 12:34 PM GMT
On his York running Philanthropy has every chance of confirming the form with Sanbuch, and quite possibly has the beating of MOM who is very closely handicapped with the Cumani horse. Neil Callan has been booked and the 25/1 with Korals stands out.

Philanthropy 1pt 25/1.
Report Horsesforcourses November 6, 2007 1:01 PM GMT
Looked closely at that one DD and agree that 25s does look fairly generous. My only concern was that given the likely field size he probably wont get his own way up front which I felt could comprimise his chances. But given my recent flat form I'm probably way off the mark ;)
Report The Gopher November 6, 2007 1:06 PM GMT
A little late but a market is now up!
Report Academic Rambler November 6, 2007 2:13 PM GMT
Comments on Tropical Strait anyone?
Report Horsesforcourses November 6, 2007 8:02 PM GMT
Interesting given the trainer AR and his 2nd in the race last year. Hard to assess how good he is though given what hes beaten to date.

Can't believe there's doubt about the participation of MOM if it remains g/f. One of the reasons I like him is because he's won twice on it already ffs!
Report SLB November 6, 2007 8:29 PM GMT
Think Akarem is ready to go with Darley booked. He's unquestionably well-treated, but I wouldn't touch him unless I was told it was going to rain.

As it is, Malt Or Mash really appeals as a progressive type. No idea what Hannon is on about as regards to ground, but for that reason my money remains in my pocket for the time being.
Report Horsesforcourses November 6, 2007 9:13 PM GMT
Coming round to DD's slection if it remains g/f. 3yr olds off a light wieght do well in this although not sure who will be on board if YM stays in. Ryan seems quietly confident about his chances and to a level stake his horses make a nice profit at Doncaster. At least he has some proper form in the book.

Still worried about being taken on up-front but that's mitigated by the price...
Report SOULDANCER November 7, 2007 4:00 AM GMT
AR,
Tropical Strait is obviously improving , this is his first season and only run 5 times. Likeable sort and down the bottom of the weights. Apparently going for this so 16.0's on here looks a fair price.Firm ground will suit. He's my bet.
Report Academic Rambler November 8, 2007 9:49 AM GMT
Utterly wasted on the main forum so nicked it for here :p

Albert Pickleweed 08 Nov 09:35

Last six runs: 14 of the last 15 winners had won at least once in their last six races.

LTO: horses that won LTO, or were beaten less than 4L, have provided 14 of the last 15 winners.

Negative
33-1 or bigger have recorded 1 win from 99 qualifiers.

Market: 5 of the 15 winners have come from the top three in the betting; there have been no winners in the last seven years.

Last six runs: horses that failed to win at least one of their last six races have provided just 1 winner from 89 qualifiers

Course LTO: horses that raced at Doncaster LTO have provided just 1 winner from 64 runners.

Distance LTO: runners dropping in trip have provided just 1 winner from 60 qualifiers for a loss

General
Favourites (inc. joints): there have been 2 winning favourites from 17; backing all selections would have made a small loss. In a big field handicap these stats are fairly normal.

Age:

Three year olds have provided 8 winners from 93 runners

Four year olds have provided 4 winners from 119 runners

Five year olds have provided 2 winners from 52 runners

Six year olds and older have provided 1 winner from 69 runners

The front end of the betting market has had a poor record in recent years, which is perhaps no surprise considering the large field and competitive nature of the race. Positives to focus on included horses that won or finished within 4L of Of the winner LTO. These runners have been14 times more likely to win than horses beaten 4L or more. Applying this trend should narrow down the field by around half, which in this type of race is a great starting point. If we combined this stat with horses that have finished in the first four in their last two runs, backing all qualifiers would have produced a profit, In terms of age groups, three year olds have by far the best record.
My short list are

Malt Or Mash
Black Rock
Pippa Greene

:0
Report Academic Rambler November 8, 2007 9:50 AM GMT
gl with Tropical, SD.
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 11:13 AM GMT
Shortlist of just two now AR :0

Just hope the forecast showers arrive so MoM runs...

Still can't believe one of the few runners to have won on g/f (twice!) could be doubtfall without a shower.
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 11:34 AM GMT
Just added another pt e/w on MoM @ 8s NRNB. More I look, more I like him. Now one of my biggest bets of the seasion which is rather ironic given it's the final day...
Report liberator of the oppressed November 8, 2007 11:39 AM GMT
I'm just around the corner and whilst it's a bit overcast and rain is forcast it doesn't look like raining at all. Course looks incredibly well and if it doesn't change it looks as if it will be safe quick good ground. Fabulous surface with the new grass. It is though incredibly windy nad if this stays until saturday you will need a pretty strong horse to get home because it is in their faces all the way up the straight.
Report Academic Rambler November 8, 2007 11:42 AM GMT
lol indeed, but tis a nice voucher :) and a big run looks on the cards. Think they're being a bit ott regarding the ground concerns like you say.

With the merest of tweaks my pick Heron Bay - who would not want any rain at all - also "fits". His last run should be ignored as he was apparently unsuited by the softened good ground, prior to that his 4 L last of nine to Yellowstone in the Group 3 Gordon Stakes would mark him as a serious enough animal off 105 and I'm presuming they haven't kept him for this just for a run around.

We shall see but I'm tempted to top up the e/w 20s with some 12s if the ground dries up. gl !
Report Academic Rambler November 8, 2007 11:42 AM GMT
ty for that update lib.
Report Academic Rambler November 8, 2007 11:46 AM GMT
Took the RP ages to update the decs but ....

1(4) 11-241 New Guinea 12 Saeed Bin Suroor 65 4 9-10 Darryll Holland 105 110 98 2-4 2-4
2(18) 623198 Heron Bay 81 G Wragg 80 3 9-4 Steve Drowne 105 107 107 0-3 1-4
3(20) 7-1201 Greek Envoy 22 T P Tate 75 3 9-2 Micky Fenton 103 115 99 1-2 1-2
4(15) 624238 Lundys Lane 41 A M Balding 44 7 9-2 Francis Norton 97 118 114 0-13 0-5
5(12) /12-55 Rampallion 41 Saeed Bin Suroor 65 4 9-1 Eddie Ahern 96 116 116 0-0 0-2
6(19) 030016 Night Crescendo 14 Mrs A J Perrett 67 4 8-13 Martin Dwyer 94 118 102 1-2 0-0
7(10) 1-0641 Heaven Knows 14 W J Haggas 73 4 8-13 R Hills 94 118 113 1-2 0-1
8(17) 344122 Sanbuch 35 L M Cumani 43 3 8-12 Jimmy Fortune 99 118 119 0-2 0-3
9(14) 425507 Chicken Soup 7 D J Murphy 33 5 8-11 N Callan 92 106 88 0-7 0-0
10(6) 619295 John Terry 14 Mrs A J Perrett 67 4 8-10 Seb Sanders 91 116 110 0-4 1-6
11(13) 211471 Malt Or Mash 35 R Hannon 35 3 8-10 Ryan Moore 97 117 117 1-4 1-2
12(7) 111 Pippa Greene 32 P F I Cole 50 3 8-10 Jamie Spencer 97 113 75 0-0 1-1
13(16) 094932 Bandama 14 Mrs A J Perrett 67 4 8-9 Jim Crowley 90 118 119 1-4 0-7
14(8) 266441 Oh Glory Be 8 R Hannon 35 4 8-9v Richard Hughes 90 117 106 2-4 2-7
15(11) 750993 Akarem 14 K R Burke 67 6 8-9 K Darley 90 118 118 1-13 3-21
16(5) 599120 Realism 35 M W Easterby 29 7 8-8 Paul Mulrennan 89 115 108 3-9 0-6
17(1) 0-7008 Bazart 14 K R Burke 67 5 8-6 Andrew Elliott(3) 87 120 110 0-2 0-1
18(2) 42211 Tropical Strait 39 D W P Arbuthnot 50 4 8-5 Fergus Sweeney 86 89 72 0-0 2-3
19(9) 078471 La Estrella 20 D E Cantillon 100 4 8-3 Chris Catlin 84 108 89 1-6 2-9
20(22) 830134 Philanthropy 42 K A Ryan 26 3 8-3 Paul Hanagan 90 115 94 1-4 1-4
21(23) 438251 Dzesmin 49 R C Guest 29 5 8-2p Duran Fentiman(3) 83 115 96 3-10 3-11
22(3) 90-554 Inchloch 14 B G Powell 63 5 8-1 Dale Gibson 82 116 111 2-6 0-3
23(21) 211210 Turn Of Phrase 29 N Wilson 36 8 7-12b William Buick(3) 75 109 94 2-8 4-13

Happy with my high draw also.
Report platinni November 8, 2007 12:26 PM GMT
why is ryan off philantrophy?
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 12:46 PM GMT
Assume you mean Callan Plat ;) and I would guess that he can't do the weight judged by recent rides.
Report Academic Rambler November 8, 2007 1:16 PM GMT
Added some 16s Heron Bay (Billys) to the 20s.

Sit back, cross fingers, say bye bye to the flat season, either way twas a happy season ;)

gl all B-)
Report EastLower Gooner November 8, 2007 1:23 PM GMT
B-) gooooo Luca.
Report Dark Destroyer November 8, 2007 3:07 PM GMT
The Nanny have gone 25/1 Philanthropy which is like a red rag to a bull. Another 0.5 pts e/w :D
Report TEN2FOLLOWER November 8, 2007 5:29 PM GMT
Tropical Strait for me.
Report platinni November 8, 2007 6:24 PM GMT
looked at this race for a while now and hfc's selection looks airtight

think dzesmin deserves a mention.

some very good performances in defeat this year.
he's off 80 and capable of a lot better given he's a group and listed winner.
won lto and seems to be peaking. showed nice battling qualities lto too
handles the ground, won over the trip and has a nice draw
wouldnt be a fan of his jock but at 33/1 he's probably the most solid of outsiders
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 7:39 PM GMT
What about this piece of form for a 100/1 shot receiving weight from most of the field :0

LONGCHAMP
06 April 2006
Heavy

2:50 Prix d'Argenteuil (4yo+) (1m110y) 1mf

1 Bazart (GB) P Bary 4 8-12 T Thulliez 13/2 86 102
2 2 Doctor Dino (FR) R Gibson 4 8-12 C Soumillon 19/4 81 98
Report Deep Impact November 8, 2007 7:44 PM GMT
Done a bit af trends analysis on this today and (boringly!), Malt Or Mash is the clear pick imo :0.
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 7:45 PM GMT
Pleased to hear it Deep ;)
Report Deep Impact November 8, 2007 7:56 PM GMT
Evening HFC - 12's is a nice voucher. Didn't have time to look at the race until today, tbh got my jumps head on for the winter now :D. Bet 3.65 are NRNB & Best Odds Guaranteed so 2pts win @7/1 :).
Report trev w November 8, 2007 7:58 PM GMT
ok,ok i'll back it..m o m chargeeee!
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 7:59 PM GMT
Evening Deep. Must say i'm now in jumps mode too but a nice big field handicap (that wasn't a sprint) pulled me back in. :) Not sure why the sponsers went 12s when the like of Lads were near half the price @ 7s but there you go. As long as i get a run for my money i'll be happy.
Report Horsesforcourses November 8, 2007 8:00 PM GMT
Lol trev!
Report madhatter November 8, 2007 8:05 PM GMT
For what it's worth I have backed Philanthropy to win and saved with the same horse to place and also with Malt Or Mash and Sanbuch to win
Report spinoza1 November 8, 2007 9:29 PM GMT
I honestly believe that Malt could go as short as 5/1, 9/2 or shorter by the off. I'm almost certain that Sir Tom will put it up as it perfectly fits his usual progressive profile pick. I would be surprised also if other national titpsters don't go in big on this esp Ron Cox in the Guardian whose as good a judge as they come. The 7's still looks huge. I've filled up at 12's ante post and 8's earlier today (now declared). We shall see.
Report spinoza1 November 8, 2007 9:32 PM GMT
That's my grand at 6.2/6.0 by the way.

O GB / Donc 10th Nov / 15:10 1m4f Hcap Malt Or Mash Lay 3961644364 08-Nov-07
19:52 6 260.00


O GB / Donc 10th Nov / 15:10 1m4f Hcap Malt Or Mash Lay 3961640467 08-Nov-07
19:51 6.2 416.00


O GB / Donc 10th Nov / 15:10 1m4f Hcap Malt Or Mash Lay 3961635785 08-Nov-07
19:51 6.2 28.51


O GB / Donc 10th Nov / 15:10 1m4f Hcap Malt Or Mash Lay 3961631259 08-Nov-07
19:50 6 416.00
Report platinni November 8, 2007 9:35 PM GMT
2pts 8's for me.

ahh the gold aul forum charge. its been a while. could be a few mini charges the week after too ;)

but remember

'first rule of antepost forum is you dont speak of antepost forum'

'second rule ....you know the drill

B-)
Report Mystic Wind November 8, 2007 10:38 PM GMT
Count me in. This'll be the first horse to carry any of my hard-earned since Docofthebay in the Cambridgeshire!

I was very impressed with his win at HQ (my clock was too). The straight course that day would've suited this big lump of a galloper, but so will Donny's long straight.

Sanbuch never looked like over-hauling him lto imo, but may be the danger again. However, if they go eyeball-to-eyeball again I'd rather be with the gutsy Malty.

1pt win Malt Or Mash @ (Johnny-come-lately) 7/1
Report platinni November 8, 2007 10:48 PM GMT
good to hear mystic. will you be getting involved in the winter game this season?

hfc
deep
mystic
trev
spinoza
plat

are all aboard the mom express. sing in if youre on B-)

against the crowd - AR- heron bay, DD - phily. boooo ;)
Report proctor strikes November 8, 2007 10:52 PM GMT
sorry boys - Pippa Green for me. Bags of improvement left, and a fresh horse. title clinching ride for jamie.
Report platinni November 8, 2007 11:15 PM GMT
anyone want to post highlights of their flat campaign this season ?:|
Report Mystic Wind November 8, 2007 11:16 PM GMT
Yes Plat', I'll be playing the jumps, but will be trying to restrict the number of bets. Bob Hall in the PP will be my first bet of the season.

Be lucky, and let's hope the grey monster signs-off the flat season in style.
Report Mystic Wind November 8, 2007 11:19 PM GMT
Juniper Girl (Pitmen's, another forum charge) and Fullandby (Portland) were my only 2 highlights.
Report platinni November 8, 2007 11:21 PM GMT
macorville wouldve been a more pleasant result for me :(
Report platinni November 8, 2007 11:32 PM GMT
ramonti in the Queen Anne (gave a few betting slips as presents, went down a treat :D )

sticking to my guns with scorpion in the coronation at 14's

leg spinner flying home @ 20/1 and just laughing out loud and down the phone at the disinformation AJ was giving all week to connections let alone the press

sprints were a nightmare and bets will be minimised to the top group races next season. make sure ye remind me! X-(
Report Jaws November 8, 2007 11:50 PM GMT
Eddie Jock in the Brittanica Handicap. To get a 50/1 winning NAP was very special. From a non punting angle Peeping Fawn was a joy to watch but I dont think this year was a vintage season. Signs are though 2008 might be very special, fingers crossed.
Report askari1 November 9, 2007 1:50 AM GMT
Heavily weighted horses have run well in this in the past and I wdn't rule out New Guinea and Greek Envoy. The Tate horse seemed to improve for the step up in the trip lto and he cd be delivered late from the widest draw.

Otherwise the only horse I've backed so far is Sanbuch ew at 12s. I've no strong reason to believe he will reverse form w/ Malt or Mash other than the fact he's had a lighter season and has run his best races in competitive and valuable hcaps. The Hannon horse is particularly solid and a better jolly imv than either Pippa (faces stiffest test) and Heaven Knows (won weak race lto and has not fulfilled promise).

Gl all
Report askari1 November 9, 2007 2:08 AM GMT
My betting highlights:

Most lucrative winner: Pinpoint 22-1 in the Spring Cup

Most satisfying winner: Lake Poet 16-1 in the Grand Metropolitan at Epsom, then at 19-2 in the Vodafone Bowl thereafter

Best late match of an order: Fullandby 28-1 in the Portland

Lowlight: Lay of Buccellati av. 11-2 at a 10f race at the Leger meeting; everything went wrong w/ this--averaging down, averaging down IR, getting the market wrong, getting the race wrong and suffering a broken connection.

It's been my best season in money terms but I am sure that many of you are betting bigger than me.

Sat. was a torrid start for the jumps, which can only get better!
Report Far From Trouble November 9, 2007 5:18 AM GMT
My Higlights for the season as far as big prices are concerned I had Brasingaman hifive at 66-1 when i went to Haydock (started at 100s) and Candidato Roy at 100s on here.

Most satisfying wins where Dylan in the Arc and Ramonti in the Queen Elizabeth - both seemed to be forgotten about with regards to the market leaders

Also some good Valuescope bets (Aegean Dancer, Ordnance Row, El Khaleej, Charlie Tokyo, Echelon.)

Several low points: Benwilt Breeze in the Ayr Gold Cup
Dark Missile in the Diadem at Ascot
Marchand D'or Betfred Sprint
Paradise Isle Portland
Not backing Wise Dennis in Victoria Cup when i intended to
Report nibbledat November 9, 2007 6:18 AM GMT
signing in as a backer of m0m. havent had chance to look at this, been concentrating on the jumps.

some good points made on this thread so decided to go for it

1pt win malt or mash @7/1

good luck all

anyone know when a market will be up for the greatwood hurdle next sun?
Report Horsesforcourses November 9, 2007 8:16 AM GMT
Slight cause for concern for MoM backers - the course missed all the rain and the drying wind has resulted on the going changing to G/F on the round course and Firm in the home striaght! :0

Clerk has said he will water as a result which for once i'm almost glad of. Which is a fairly sad reflection in itself. What happened to fast ground for flat horses...
Report platinni November 9, 2007 9:31 AM GMT
that cripples a lot of the competition imv hfc. mom should be grand
Report Horsesforcourses November 9, 2007 9:53 AM GMT
Absolutely agree Plat and would normally be delighted by the news but as a large part of my stake is still on AP i'm still a bit concerned by Hannon jnr's comment...

Which is ironic as I had g/f ground as very much a positve.
Report Horsesforcourses November 9, 2007 10:23 AM GMT
Had a small saver on your outsider Plat @ 33s.

Key to him may be a break which he comes here off the back of. Will love the going and can see him coming with a late charge...
Report Horsesforcourses November 9, 2007 11:05 AM GMT
Richard Hannon will examine the Town Moor turf before deciding whether to let Malt Or Mash take his chance.

Assistant trainer Hannon jnr said: "The horse is on his way and we would like to run him. He's in great form, but we're a bit worried about the ground.

"He's a big horse who hits the ground hard and is a very good prospect for next year.

"We'll walk the course and then make a late decision. Hopefully there'll be some rain about in that part of Yorkshire tomorrow."
Report platinni November 9, 2007 12:07 PM GMT
could be doing a 'tony' ;)

jockey is a major concern for me hfc about the other one. going to have a pop anyway but more in hope. better run mom! X-(
Report Horsesforcourses November 9, 2007 12:43 PM GMT
Think the latest bulletin re MoM's participation is more positive. Whilst the won't be any rain they are watering and the jockey's always seem to be extremely positive about the covering of grass at Donny. I would hope that on walking the course they will conclude that it is safe to run.
Report Snowie November 9, 2007 12:49 PM GMT
I really hate having to burden the charge with my money but having read this thread I can't resist a saver!

1pt@7/1 Malt or Mash
1pt@25/1 Lundy's Lane

The other slightly more original selection is Lundy's Lane, likes the ground, stays the trip and is a model of consistentcy since returning from Dubai. While he probably isn't brilliantly weighted but is only a couple of pounds higher than when bustling up Bauer at Chester and being rather unlucky in the Old Newton Cup, is vunerable to improvers but at the price is worth chancing that he might take the big pot he deserves to collect.


As for this season I can't complain to say the least! Easily my best flat season ever:

Highlights: Eddie Jock (Royal Ascot), Candidato Roy (Ascot 7f Handicap) and Miss Luicifer (Challenge Stks) would be the biggest price winners, but there were a far few others, lets hope the jumps season is as good to me!
Lowlights: Thankfully not too many although drawing blanks at Newmarket's July and York's Ebor meeting were expensive and Players Please getting chinned a few weeks ago at 33/1 stung also!
Report Far From Trouble November 9, 2007 1:02 PM GMT
Got to say i like Bandama for this

Ran a solid race when finding one too good over C&D last tiem out and i think he is in with a good chance
Report Deep Impact November 9, 2007 2:25 PM GMT
Quite a charge on MoM :0.

Highlights : Last day @ Royal Ascot (Pevensey :x), 1-2 in John Smiths Cup & Rainbow Rising the day after, King George weekend = Zomerlust @ York & Group Captain the day after, Juniper Girl (obviously) & Third Set @ the July Meeting :D.

Lowlights : Glorious Goodwood (loads of places but no winners) & also form has tailed off considerably in September & October (my improved discipline meant limiting bets during this period).
Report sintonian November 9, 2007 3:19 PM GMT
undecided for this so far, already have a small wager on Philanthropy to win.

highlights for me this season were Missoula more recently and NotNowCato winning the Tattersals GC.
Report unclepuncle November 9, 2007 3:32 PM GMT
Highly enjoyable flat season for me:

Highlights:
Long Range Antepost Double on Finsceal Beo and Authorised coming up trumps.
Backing Manduro at 8/1 for PoW @ Ascot
Red Clubs in the Haydock Sprint
Notnowcato in Elcipse
Backing Youmzain about 10 times for Arc at average odds of around 150/1 and then laying off at 6/4 in the Steward enquiry.
Breeders Cup - like shelling peas - never had a meeting like it.

Lowlights:
Intrepid Jack getting touched off in Wokingham
Macorville likewise in the plate
Backing Light Shift at 8/1 for Oaks and then laying it all off on the day
Report Dark Destroyer November 9, 2007 3:45 PM GMT
My season, somewhat perversely, runs from 1st July to 30th June. This way all the AP bets for Aintree, Cheltenham, Classics & Ascot are included in the correct year.

2007/8 Flat has been disappointing so far with the only bright spots on the flat being Countdown, Third Set, Zidane & Monte Alto. Over the jumps I was fortunate to latch onto the forum gamble on Mossbank, not much else so far. Profit to date is just 1.6% on stakes - better than a loss though and still plenty of time to improve matters.

The 2nd half of 2006 flat was OK with Les Arcs, Reverence, Fantasy Explorer, London Express, Supaseus, Pinpoint & Plum Pudding all making welcome contributions. Early 2007 was disappointing other than Finsceal Beo (14s). 2006/7 overall made a decent return largely due to the exploits of Overstarnd & Dunbrody Miller over the jumps.
Report dawks November 9, 2007 6:29 PM GMT
Bandama will runa massive race tomorrow, fantastic ew bet
Report morpteh mackem November 9, 2007 6:38 PM GMT
malt or mash for me tommorow.

higlight of flat season for me was pipedreamer winning cambridgeshire.
lowlight, marcoville in the plate.
Report trev w November 9, 2007 7:11 PM GMT
macorville..also a lowlight for me..so close..

highlight...authorised,always nice when a winter antepost abliges..16s

teslin back to form at 75s was nice.doubt if i can nail another 100+ winner of the p.p this year though..ahhh ..memories..
Report EastLower Gooner November 9, 2007 7:55 PM GMT
Highlights:

Street Sense winning the K Derby...won about 2k that night. what a sensational ride.

Royal Ascot and York. Monster wins on Miss Andretti and Manduro.

York was just carnage...Purple Moon the main money spinner but landed massive touch on Duff @ 22/1 who benefited from a powerpacked Declan McDonagh ride....he's my favorite jockey as some of you know so it meant alot.

Suppose another highlight was all the Luca Cumani trained winners - Purple Moon, Speed Gifted, Boz, Bauer, Lion Sands, Monte Alto to name a few. He's had a fine ol' season and hopefully it'll contiune tomorrow with Sanbuch.

Also it was nice to spend a bit of my winnings and travel abroad for the international meetings...Arc Weekend, Dubai World Cup and Irish Champion Stakes day were awesome. I already have my tickets and hotels sorted for Dubai again! cant wait.

Lowlights:

Efficient mowing down Purple Moon in the Melbourne Cup.
Backed PM @ 50/1 antepost to win about 5k.

Also Soldier of Fortune....backed him 3 times and lost over a grand. 5th in the Derby, non runner in the King George and 5th in the Arc.

one time i don't back him he hacks up by 10lengths.

And I'll end this were I started....Street Sense...had half my salary on him eachway @ 5/1 and he faded into 4th :-|

all in all had a great time.....came out on top and just waiting for Cheltenham now.
Report platinni November 9, 2007 9:06 PM GMT
brace yourselves for the pricewise 12lb hoodoo

sing in tom

;)
Report Horsesforcourses November 9, 2007 9:08 PM GMT
Only 6 favs from 43 runnings have won, the last of which was in 1995...

Must be due a win ;)
Report sintonian November 9, 2007 9:27 PM GMT
Small ew wages on Inchloch 33/1 and Bazart 200/1. Both well drawn could be the diff ;)
Report askari1 November 10, 2007 12:04 AM GMT
Final bets:

0.5pt ew Sanbuch 12-1
0.25 win Greek Envoy 22-1

Edge on Malt or Mash avoids defeat. Small lays of Pippa & Heaven Knows make those my worst results. Gl all
Report imbiber November 10, 2007 12:32 AM GMT
For me, 1 pt MoM, 0.5 on Philanthropy and Heron Bay.
Report imbiber November 10, 2007 1:24 AM GMT
oh, and highlights - Silver Birch and**ney Rebel were how you want it to work out every time, while laying Authorised in the Arc was good, if only because...

lowlights - laying Authorised in the Derby. That and the last few weeks generally...
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY November 10, 2007 10:18 AM GMT
New Guinea for myself, had a prep at this track behind Galactic Star and this isnt the strongest of races, any moister in the ground from the cold night will make the ground perfect and over this trip the horse has ran wll so many times, yard in solid form, Darryl Holland does very well for the boys in blue has a good record around this track that suits his riding style and is at his best this time of year, brought from Michael Jarvis and already beaten his stable mate who stays 10F on soft but struggles over this trip, will confirm that form and despite the rise in weight means he has top weight it isnt a strong race and has won a listed class race. This Gelding by Fantastic Light will be kept in trainning as a 5yo and be contesting group 3 next season.

Yard is flying and biggest danger is Heavens Knows if staying the trip in a strongly ran race, a few like Greek envoy need it deeper underfoot while the 3yo have a good record in this race and there are some progressive runners in this race the age for weight this time of the year will even out the playing field for the older more proven horses today under the conditions.

Top weights have done badly in this race in recent years but the conditons this year are like no other years, Akraem could be a danger but Philliantrophey has to be backed for Kevin Ryan record at this track and has ran some nice races so far this season, big fields may be a concern as he likes to dictate but at 20-1 must nave some sort of chance.


New Guinea e/w 20-1 for myself.
Report Horsesforcourses November 10, 2007 1:18 PM GMT
Greek Envoy N/R
Report platinni November 10, 2007 2:08 PM GMT
Come on MALTY!!!

(and dzesmin if not ;) )

gl lads
Report platinni November 10, 2007 2:14 PM GMT
are you not impressed?

are you not entertained?
Report Horsesforcourses November 10, 2007 2:15 PM GMT
Nice to end the season with a successful forum CHARGE!!!!!! :)
Report Dark Destroyer November 10, 2007 2:16 PM GMT
Yes I suppose I am ;)
Report trev w November 10, 2007 2:16 PM GMT
CCHHHAAARGGEEE.......landed!!
Report Albert Pickleweed November 10, 2007 2:16 PM GMT
choo feking choo
Report spinoza1 November 10, 2007 2:16 PM GMT
MONSTER MASH!!!!!!!!
Report EastLower Gooner November 10, 2007 2:17 PM GMT
lord...how lazy is Sanbuch??????
Report unclepuncle November 10, 2007 2:19 PM GMT
Congrats to all you antepost Malt backers - the forum strikes again.
Report Macintoshmatty November 10, 2007 2:20 PM GMT
Just like to say thanks to all the posters on here. I wish i had your knowledge.As it is I feel like I've found a money tree. Well done Lads!
Report platinni November 10, 2007 2:21 PM GMT
one of the most competitive handicaps of the season made a mockerey of by the forum boys

wd scoop 6 backers too

B-)
Report Deep Impact November 10, 2007 2:26 PM GMT
Great stuff lads - as with Juniper Girl, even Pricewise can't stop a FORUM CHARGE :D.
Report Mystic Wind November 10, 2007 3:13 PM GMT
Fantastic way to end the season :)

Well done to all Malty devotees and to regular contributors who have consistently unearthed gems all year. On with the jumps!
Report top div November 10, 2007 3:27 PM GMT
Great win by Malt or Mash today,nice to see a lot of you were on it too (i wish i had posted a few days ago as it looks like classic aftertiming now !).

Highlights of the flat season for me would be any 'big' winner,usually in a h'cap,so horses like Juniper Girl,Monte Alto and today's win by Malt or Mash (all at 10's) are paticularly memorable with Haatef in the Diadem another decent priced (14/1) winner.Another one that springs to mind was the 'inspired' in running bet on the rallying Ramonti in the Queen Anne Stakes which was matched at 22's - a very welcome 'bonus'.

Lowlights would be numerous but possibly the 2 most dissapointing would be the shocking riding of P.Doe on Malt or Mash at Sandown a few months back,as although he managed to get him to dead heat i think we all know that the horse should have been a clear winner off a mark of 84 !

Most painful though,and one which proved most costly was the win of Third Set at Newmarket in the summer.He was a particular unexposed favourite of mine and one i was keen to follow this term but ridiculously i was unable to get any money on him for his first win (16/1 but 25's on here) due to my bank suspending all activity on my bank cards due to fraudsters stealing a paltry 60 from my account.

As is typical of me,after missing the Third Set 'wedding',i was sulking and refused to back him at the reduced odds next time at Ascot (got a feeling i was worried about the ground as well) and to add absolute insult to injury he again goes in a few days later at Goodwood.I can't put into words how unbelievably painful it is to see one of your 'notebook,must follow' horses win 3 times on the trot at decent prices when you haven't had a shilling on,i literally missed out on 'new car or very expensive holiday' money,which i obviously haven't got over yet!!!!.

Lesson to self - treat each bet seperately on its merits (and grow up!).
Report platinni November 10, 2007 3:29 PM GMT
correct mystic, nice way to wrap things up

deep - i wonder if tom reads the thread ?:| . i think he should ge giving us a shout out if so :p
Report platinni November 10, 2007 5:39 PM GMT
http://www.attheraces.com/search.asp?ref=homesearch&query=malt+or+mash&type=H

if you want to watch the carnage again and again and again :D
Report sintonian November 10, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
simply brilliant. quite a sting that won. well done fellas and I dont feel miffed in the slighest I was not on ! B-)
Report Academic Rambler November 10, 2007 6:34 PM GMT
Academic Rambler 06 Nov 12:13
The MoM / Sanbuch form is also strong my concern was MoM's number of races but he's a tough bugger sure to run well so gl !


Same as Sint glad the forum boys collected ! :)
Heron Bay ran a shocker why did they bother if he wasn't fit? :0

Highlights : Juniper Girl was exhilerating; Pevensey was a right touch; Excellent Art and Manduro at Royal Ascot; Notnowcato double figures in Ireland; The Ballysax 1-2; Authorized brilliant @ 10s in the Derby and...Blythe Knight :x beating Osana at Aintree and Wide Dennis at York. Charlie Tokyo in the John Smith's and the Breeders Cup went well again... and so on.... great season for me ...

Lowlights : Were numerable. All sprints. Disastrous. Cliff horse Montpellier. And that very first race - when a teed up and fairly big hit on Rio Riva @ 16s was done by the draw in the Lincoln :| Glorious Goodwood was anything but, not pretty and ohhh the MooN in Melbourne I still have a tear...

Today apart the jumps has started very well.
May the forum remain strong, for we are quite clearly the daddys of this game B-)

;)
Report turnip turns May 3, 2010 8:34 PM BST
;) wasn't on :(
Report platinni May 3, 2010 8:37 PM BST
head in hands man ^

:_|
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