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it's incredible to think there's people out there who think he is capable of winning the Guineas,
Montjeu's do not win over a mile as 3yo,it's not rocket science folks,
a balls deep lay=christmas come early
Montjeu's do not win over a mile as 3yo,it's not rocket science folks,
a balls deep lay=christmas come early
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I agree, has no chance, mugpunters backing this camel!
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If he does go for the Guineas , i think he will have a better chance of winning his 2000 Guineas than St Nick had of winning his Guineas.
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My opinion of his last 2-y-o race (8f) - he beat a bunch of sprinters. His entries indicate middle distance is his game.
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The price confirms Chruchill's observation about how he knew that democracy didn't work. Spending 5 minutes with the average voter. A whole bunch of idiots actng on ill informed opinions. And that will be the case even if it wins.
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How long are you going to wait to get balls deep in CleverName??? Love to know how far you`re in already!!!
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Incredible to think someone with a clever name obviously hasn't got a clue what's the driving force behind the decision to run Camelot in the 2000gns.It's not rocket science folks,have a think and ask yourselves why Maybe is now connections main runner in the 1000gns and not Wading.A clue,with the recent death of Montjeu connections still have a vested interest in promoting him as a sire of sires hence Camelot running at HQ,connections feel as sure as they can be he is plenty good enough to win the Guineas and so enhance his appeal as a stallion,but they also stand Maybe's sire Galileo they also want him to all being well bag a classic winner this year.
Montjeu has a reputation of siring top class colts but his fillies have until very recently been mediocre in comparison to the colts,now with his death they no longer need to enhance his commercial appeal as a sire of top class fillies,if Montjeu hadn't died I'm sure as eggs are eggs Wading would be their No1 runner in the 1000gns as it is she can go to Epsom and win the Oaks.Its a classic but not as commercial as the GNS and remember Galileo is still with us.like CleverName says its not rocket science,but granted some find it hard to understand! |
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prima, you have misunderstood the op. he is not saying its incredible that people think he should run in the race. he is saying its incredible that people think he is capable of winning the race.
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No Charlton2005,I understand the OP alright,its just I find it incredible some people think he can't win just because he's a son of Montjeu.I'm sure their judgement is based on St Nicholas Abbey's run back in '09.O'Brien is no fool and has been careful not to make the same mistake again with Camelot.
Montjeu is known for getting quirky temperaments with his stock St Nicholas Abbey was no exception,they are horses not machines by the time of St Nicks guineas run he was over trained and basically 'chucked it'as he was given far too much work prior to his run as his connections started to believe what was being said at the time about Montjeu not being able to get a GR1 miler at 3. I think its a very brave man indeed to say it is impossible for Camelot to win the 2000 just because he's a son of Montjeu,one things for sure Camelot won't be there just for the day out..........he's there to win and nothing else! |
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prima,how many Montjeus have won a Group 1 over a mile at the age of 3?
i cant think of too many mate,thats hardly a coincidence is it? |
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But that's a lot different to saying he can't win just because he's by Montjeu,what you all may not know is Camelot is from a crop of Montjeu's were his connections supported him with better mares,when they finally had faith in him as a stallion!
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Well i for one hope he does it,as i love Montjeu as a sire,Quirky but Quality in abundance
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We agree then as I too hope he wins and I for one think he will,Montjeu was a fantastic stallion he is a massive loss to the bloodstock world,Coolmore are hoping Camelot can become a worthy replacement for him,winning the guineas will be the first step on the road to greatness this year
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iirc this is verbatim what you said 2 days before SNA ran unplaced at 1/4 a place. gl with your bets
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and don't say you weren't told!Grin
sorry forgot to post what you said!! |
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Charlton2005,good luck with your bets and there's an old saying'There's none so blind as those that will not see'.SNA was back in 2009 this is another horse and another year,and I'm sure another result!
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will camelot still run if all this rain continues?who knows with mr o brien though
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Surely increases the chances of success?
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Will win by half the track under these conditions.
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If he flops the headline is "Camelot the camel".
Why would they pick a name that is ripe for ridicule? |
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No the headlines will be Camelflop imo
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yeah camelflop sounds about right i agree
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Do you guys breed budgies ?
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Blog that goes into some detail on the Montjeu stat amongst others things on the Irish Field website: http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/article.php?id=1822&cid=5
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camelot IS brilliant AND will WIN the guineas
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I can see a lot of valid and well informed reasons especially by Prima Donna for siding with Camelot, and it makes good sense to pay attention to whats happening in the breeding world, however I am of the belief that Camelot will win the Derby, as his dosage clearly indicates that the 12 furlongs of that race will be much more to his liking, and the guineas will in fact be a bit on the short side for him... and on that factor I find his price currently is not reflecting the minuses of the situation, it seems his price is based on pluses only, and for punting purposes that is not fair play.... so I look to O'Brien again for the answer to this race, and one with more honesty about its price looks to be Power, who also appears to be in this race as a contender who should get the utmost respect.... imo .....anyway, gl to all....
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Camelot looked good beating Zip Top?
19/04/12 Trumpet Major beats Crius 5 lengths in Craven Stakes 22/10/11 Camelot beats Zip Top 2¼.  08/10/11 Parish Hall, beats Power ½. Trumpet Major in 5th beaten total of 1½. 22/09/11 Crius beats Zip Top 2½, hd. I know they are now 3-y-os but the Racing Post "form" looks paper thin. |
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Great piece on England Job
http://www.thesocialgambler.com/2012/05/01/why-harry-redknapp-didnt-get-the-england-managers-job/ Power for the 2,000 |
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Great piece on England Job
http://www.thesocialgambler.com/2012/05/01/why-harry-redknapp-didnt-get-the-england-managers-job/ Power for the 2,000 |
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All class.Well done Joey
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Now win the Derby !
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Can he wipe out the memory of The Senor getting beat.I think he will.
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CleverName,I do hope you saw the 2000 yesterday.........hope you didn't loose too much,next time try looking beyond the end of your nose!
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Great ride by young O'Brien. Congrats.
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It tends not to pay giving it the bigun on here , it can well result with egg on your face.
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It amazes me the research people do before predicting how a certain horse performs in a certain race, and they p ss me off. Aidan O Brien is on record saying that the computer he has recording his horses work couldn't recognize some of the fractions Camelot was doing at home. But more to the point relating to the original author he assumes that just because no other montjeu horse won such race in past Camelot couldn't. I for one wouldn't have believed that a 3 year old + horse by Galileo would be fast enough to win over 6f but now I believe Frankel would be capable of such a feat. I thought when there were many similar posts relating to the belief that hurricane fly couldn't win at cheltenham because no other montjeu horse had done so before that people would learn their lesson about reading into past reords. I'm glad I was a backer of Camelot. May the short sighted clowns continue to lay horses even if it means we have to listen to s..t.
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but the layers are surely winning this battle. hurricane fly got beat this yr and camelot is the 1st montjeu to win at a mile at 3.
nice aftertiming btw. |
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O.k but the dog in the street knew Camelot was special and persons were laying him on strength of other horses failing. Please keep laying the special ones because some backers only wait for em, thnx
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same dogs knew st nic abbey was special too.
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ilikewavingatbuses,the fact is St.Nicholas Abbey was very special.....that is until he was given so much over training in the spring of his 3 y'old year,by the time of his guineas run he'd had more than enough and was over the top.It took him a long time to recover and spent most of that year turned out.His connections knew he was special and very talented and kept faith in him,their patience paid off because his form returned,since then he has gone on to be a true GR1 horse.I know its hard for some to accept his trainer ruined his chance of classic success.They have been very careful not to make the same mistake with Camelot.
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