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no wonder this games dying a death,490m banger racing they say is for dogs not getting the trip which is nonsense,your dogs more likely to get injured over that 490 trip,wheres the welfare in that
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Rep from Hove was on RPGTV a good few weeks ago saying that the reason for the 490m trip being introduced was because of the number of dogs that didn’t stay 515m. He then said that the introduction had been well received.
A cynic might say that the owners of the track are bookmakers who want it to be nigh on impossible for punters to back a winner. So to make it as close to Canine Bingo as they possibly can they move the traps closer to the bend.. I know whose version I’d tend to believe.... |
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i remember him on he was a total bluffer,thats the party line with that 490 trip,its that common now the strong stayers are having to race over it to get a run,totally bookmaker benefit,if your dog is a non stayer it shouldnt be running at hove as its the strongest 4 bends in the country
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You’re right about the welfare issue garryc. It’s not rocket science is it that moving traps closer to the first bend means more dogs will be coming together at that first bend?
Logic suggests that, therefore, more dogs coming together at that bend must surely increase the number of collisions and therefore increase the possibility of injuries. Yet we’re to believe that it’s been well received... |
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aint the game I fell in love with
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its that bad a trip dogs that would be 2 to 3 grades difference are running same grade over the 490
 thats how much of a leveller that shambles of a trip is |
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Also, if we are really to believe the “number of dogs don’t stay 515” excuse, based solely on today’s card, only about 20% of today’s runners would stay the 515m trip..
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all made up aladdin
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Yep - today’s bookmakers want guesswork to be THE primary factor in winner finding..
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Shorter the trip the more the bookmakers like it. No stayers races for the jolly old bookmaker thank you very much.
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Absolutely Sparrow.
As has been stated on numerous occasions on numerous threads, how on earth were bookmakers allowed to control the game to this extent? Next thing we’ll be told is that the abundance of h’caps that we see these days is simply because there are a plethora of dogs that just don’t take to those awful level-start traps?!! |
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handicaps are fine by me the more the better,shawfield has always been handicaps very rarely level brake races which i find brilliant for betting.
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Forgive me Garryc - wasn’t knocking h’caps themselves (although, personally, I can’t bear the two bend ones), I was just having a little dig (following the non-stayers of 515m excuse) as to what explanation the bookies would use to justify their introduction..
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agree aladdin 2 bend handicaps are carnage ,i dont bet in sprints
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the reduction of 515 grading due to the intro of the 490 has made me give up as an owner of graders at this track
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garry
I was going to encompass it but the grader in his wisdom invites more outside trainers to bring hounds the idea being filling the void of wides hence us guys that support the track get if lucky 3 runs a month check the stats as to the amount of trainers non local and that's being kind run their sh1t at hove |
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best track in the country for me but they are ruining it with that 490 trip.bet there for years nowadays feeding on 3 races a meeting maybe 4 or 5 other days,490 for dogs not staying 515 is total bull,
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When you read Wedge’s response it makes me wonder exactly who the Hove Rep was referring to when he stated that the new 490m trip had been “well received” (Although I think I can have a guess!)
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Looks like this thread struck a chord with the powers that be - they’ve put an extra 515m race on today. So 4 out of 14 races! Well done Hove!
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Next you can lobby for a stayers race if such a thing ever occurs there now. Never take much notice of this track anymore so apologies if I am wrong about them putting on anything over more than 4 bends.
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Can’t recall seeing a graded stayers race there for ages Sparrow (although, admittedly, I don’t look at every card anymore). If memory serves me right didn’t they have graded races once upon a time over 695m AND 740m?
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1 graded 6 bend race this year
 27th april sad state of affairs |
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possibly going to get myself in trouble for this
I feel sorry for the trainers based at albourne kennels this place is the soul of hove dogs all corals keep doing is add trainers to increase the racing strength over the last 2 years an influx of trainers travelling miles to race their hounds yeates dartnell haams keppie some of what they provide are crap |
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Yes 695 and 740 was my recollection Aladdin and as wonders says a sad state of affairs. Graded races over more than 4 bends are becoming extinct at virtually all tracks and next to nothing is ever said. Meanwhile more and more of this 2 bend nonsense is being foisted on punters.
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Seven sprints on the 12 race Central Park card this morning as well. Here we are bemoaning the loss of 6 bend racing - how long before we’re asking what happened to all those TRUE 4 bend races?
With the entertainment side of the industry being replaced by racing that is structured purely for bookmaker profit, how long will the game really last? |
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sparrow not many dogs are bred to stay these days as for graded 695 at hove used to be s1 s2 s3 happy memories the 740 was open only
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Here we are bemoaning the loss of 6 bend racing - how long before we’re asking what happened to all those TRUE 4 bend races?
With the entertainment side of the industry being replaced by racing that is structured purely for bookmaker profit, how long will the game really last? I suspect you already know the answer to those 2 questions AS, sadly |
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You’re probably right Wonders. I’m getting so pessimistic and cynical about the whole sport I think that it might be time to walk away and/or scale down my interest before there isn’t a sport to have an interest in..Apologies to all for my negativity...
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wedge, I agree with the fact that so few stayers are being bred these days but what is your opinion as to why this lack of demand for stayers.
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sparrow you have stated many times your aversion to sprints I also am not a fan some hounds don't get 4 bends hence some hounds need 6 alas the industry decry so in my humble and ancient opinion therein is the answer me you and some others on here are blessed we have seen the best of greyhound racing
after 48 years of owning graded stock as of yesterday I relented and gave up I will still continue to chase the dream I can afford that but supporting my local track that treats owners with contempt they can feck off the conversation with the trainer concerned was at best described as fraught |
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there's an old saying that a few people involved in this sport would do well to heed
he who pays the piper calls the tune just keep in the mind the following list of priorities and you won't go far wrong... 1. the dogs themselves 2. owners 3. trainers & kennel staff 4. other staff working within the sport 5. bookmakers unfortunately the counts in charge have number 5 as their top priority and until that situation changes the cesspit of sh1t will just keep on getting deeper |
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Couldn,t agree more wonders.
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Sad to here ur giving it up wedge. I got 3 youngsters that will start of shortly. It keeps my brain ticking over. As long as theres some racing i will always av a couple at least. I fear there are more leaving the sport than are entering it these days.
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May have posted this before, but anyway. The days are gone when you had a strong pup over 4 bends and had butterflies waiting for the day when they could trial and then race over 6. Everything before that a bonus. Someone posted tuther day, I used to love this game................
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wedge, at least you have been able to own dogs which alas I have never done but would have liked to have to. My dad trained flappers in the 1930s but that was before my time and although this may not be a very popular thing to say on here was never a fan of that side of things myself.
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Showing my age here but back in the day Hove would run a 740 graded race on Boxing Day. Know this for a fact because had a runner in it one year.
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Yes tonic, many tracks would even run graded marathons and I have a card at home with Romford staging a graded marathon over 840 yards.
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I was looking at a Race at poole a few weeks Pennys Madam was in it I thought that will do for me might be a price on here Later ..
Anyway was not paying much attention Waiting for the race and the Market on here , Then I realsed it was a Fooking sprint race  Was a million Strangely she has won a couple times since over the standard ,but I could not understand her being in a sprint race Just automatcally thought was the 450 distance  |
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They run anything in them Round poole .... Prob same CP .
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