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2017 English Derby
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I was lucky as I hardly had any other bets on the Derby.
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Its gone round second to Brinkleys King, ec, from what I have watched I could only see 1 winner off the second bend
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Re-run what price Astute?
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And I have just watched Paddy lead at Crayford, a funny old game
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Paddy ought to win that marathon final.
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if you look at the head on, everything bar 1 moves off at the start then halfway up the run in 4 starts cutting in
3 has been absolutely smashed up by 4 but 3 cant go with 4 early that's part of the reason why its been carved up I just think that 500m start is exactly the same as the other trips @ the gaff...ie a farce |
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no dog that makes a derby final should be as big as 40/1
anything can happen and only one race counts prior races mean jack lot of astute trainers around seamus being one |
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only heard 1 person giving a case for the winner @ 40s and that was doc, coming on here after the race saying it was overpriced is fkin pointless
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seamus had a little help from upstairs as well imo
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Seamus a very good trainer, no doubt about that, if anyone said before the race off second bend 1 was in front of 4 with 5 in third, imo only one winner, but there you go, and we have to make the best of Towcester, we aint got much else
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Well done dr
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I have to agree with your analysis wonders. A great shame about the running track as the management have made a good effort in all other departments.
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everything about towcester is pretty damn good, apart from the only thing that matters to me, the track
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never been there but is there any shelter if raining
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if they could have a cpl of proper straights on the track instead of having to constantly be on the turn
then it would be OK but unless trainers and ppl with clout articulate those sentiments nothing will be done |
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mesi 01 Jul 17 21:50
never been there but is there any shelter if raining thought u were on ur honeymoon! |
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that's the problem johnny
add another 15m to each straight to make a difference...45m to the race makes it nearly a 550 standard trip there is too much "bend" to the circuit to meet minimum radius requirements and the consequence is that they cannot have proper straights and maintain a sensible standard trip there |
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I was harsh, the winner is not a slowboat, a decent and honest dog, but it has never looked a Derby winner to me
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backers of the winner.
wd GL. |
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so who designed the track in the 1st place then wonders?
they basically had carte blanche to design and build a less bendy track surely on the ground that was available no way imho it will ever now be re-configured so i guess it is what it is i did notice tonight tho' for whatever reason as opposed to earlier rounds i have seen that more dogs were finishing from off the pace and not solely the preserve of fast paced inside dogs |
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I know they had certain requirements to adhere to johnny but certain things like the width of the track were designed for 8 dog racing
both the 480 & 500 trips have major faults imo and the boxes for the far side start leave a lot to be desired in terms of producing level breaks all in all an almighty mess, or all is fine, depending on who you speak to |
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not sure who specifically designed the track in the end johnny...other people on here closer to towcester than me will know for sure
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He should have given that 1 dog some of the same
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A right ponce of a dog
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from a personal perspective just don't like to see dogs basically constantly turning
doesn't appear to be dangerous to any great degree in respect of hock injuries or the like but just doesn't feel quite right to the eye and disadvantages dogs who can build up a head of steam when chasing down leading dogs without meeting a bend all the time i know Westmead hawk was awesome but it would've done well to win back to back derbies here if at all |
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Has Woody produced A winning Ticket For the Missile please ?
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"seamus had a little help from upstairs as well imo"
Do not know how they held it to gether at the Presentaion ,rainbows the Lot appearing Unreal , Really makes u wonder sometimes ,G luck to all connected  |
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Droopys Ward, Droopys Roddick, and the biggest con ever, the hare being jibbed to let that old ponce get Farloe by 3rd bend, the final has become like a selling race at Brighton, totally unfathomable
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the hurdle race as well case, acts of god they can and do happen
twice in 1 night is a bit fkin greedy like  but fair play to them, nice to see smiles on their faces after the sadness they've had recently |
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Ch4, Last Vegas, finish the night with a smile
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Tyrur Shay has been a superstar tbh very exciting any race he is in ..
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Said Astute fast split but didn't expect him to do that. Although running well, no heat win and 40/1 after the draw saw the market give him little hope. Cant believe it really. Was struggling to lead in 6 bend races at Romford and Harlow. Pet hate of mine when the rank outsider wins the Derby. Roll on the Sunderland Festival!
PS I lost loads on the Derby, Case |
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People still spouting a whole load of uninformed c rap about the track. There has never been a greyhound track in history, including White City, which was perfect in conformation and which didn't favour inside runners, and Towcester is no different. If top, top trainers say it is great then that is good enough for me. And many do.
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It was basically supposed to be a two-dog race between Clares and Shay with an obscene amount of money riding on that pair, but bookies made a killing, scooped the lot. The good thing is the sponsors will probably be back next year
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Honcho, I don't mind the track but it's obvious it wasn't designed for 500m racing with the starting traps at an angle. Unusual to see head on shots but sure dogs don't all swerve wide at other tracks?
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Semi Final, Shay outruns Astute for second, Astute ec, its a funny old game
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I watched the final last night, what a dissapointment, could of been watching an A6 from any track in the country just not the same with no atmosphere and no Derby roar, never been to Towcester whats the problem it seemed devoid of any life.
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Unreal wins 1 race in the Derby and cops the lot. So many stars over 4 bends on show tonight Bluebird, Bruisers, Wildcat 3 best English dogs at present.
Select stakes could put on the greatest race of all time Bluebird Bruisers Wildcat Astute Missle Murrays Act Woohoo |
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I've been quite cynical about a Derby being run at Towcester, but they should be congratulated on the effort they've put in. The streaming on Towcester TV is great, the sectional timing another innovative idea and their PR in promoting this Derby should be applauded.
I'm old school and a traditionalist, and I still yearn for the White City finals where the atmosphere, as the hare began it's journey to the traps, would send a tingle down the spine. However, that can't happen anymore and, as many have stated, Towcester seem to be the only people trying to promote the sport. It may not be Greyhound racing as I know it (the circuit just looks odd compared to more traditional tracks I've known), and the gravy train brigade have, imo, gone overboard in their praise of the place, but over time, I hope that, the more I watch the racing there, I become more used to seeing it presented this way and eventually embrace it.. |