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Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 1 08:04 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALEOUT BUD
Trap 2 TYRUR ANDY
Trap 3 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 4 MEMORIES CHANGE
Trap 5 CORRAKIT
Trap 6 ROYAL RAVEN

Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 2 08:18 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LYREEN QUEST
Trap 2 STATESIDE TROIKA
Trap 3 FARLOE BUDDY
Trap 4 KINCRAIG PAT
Trap 5 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL

Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 3 08:32 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 GENE TASHADELEK
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 3 NIPPY GIRL
Trap 4 AIRFORCE FEAR
Trap 5 LOG CABIN
Trap 6 CLUXTONS FREE

Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 4 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 JUMEIRAH VEYRON
Trap 2 AIRPORT CAPTAIN
Trap 3 SKIRTY CRASH
Trap 4 PARADISE GILROY
Trap 5 ODYSSEY
Trap 6 CITY VIEW

Race 7 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 5 09:15 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 2 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 3 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 4 JACKSALLSTAR
Trap 5 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 6 SLANEYSIDE MOON

Race 8 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 6 09:30 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 2 MELODYS DIAMOND
Trap 3 CREMARTIN LARK
Trap 4 GUNITE BASIL
Trap 5 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 6 LASSA EXPEDITION

Race 9 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 7 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LADBROKES STAR
Trap 2 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 3 DROOPYS ADELAIDE
Trap 4 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 5 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Trap 6 VALAIS FIRST

Race 10 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 8 10:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 FAIRHILL NOEL
Trap 2 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 3 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 4 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 5 TAMBOURINE MAN
Trap 6 LYREEN LEGEND

Hopefully we can find another Hanover Laddie in there this year

Note to Woody:: 1st round will be 4 qualifing and 4 fastest 5th places - 2nd round will be 4 qualifing

It's going 48-36-24-12-6 from what i can see

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JayTrumpOldTomDubbl When: 14 Nov 12 22:09

Bit of a joke really if thats the format,48 to 36. So one round to lose 12 of the lesser lights, and maybe one or two better prospects will fall by the wayside through finding trouble behind the 'fillers'. I dont like the idea of 4 qualifying from the second round either.
No doubt the SP manager discussed all this with the owners and trainers, and of course with the GOBA,

. Welfare of dogs gone out the door.
All done to keep the upstairs full, dogs and their owners matter not a hoot.
Farloe Buddy was impressive last week and could have a big say, but surprised no Barefoot James, maybe he's over the age limit of Nov.2010

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never give up When: 15 Nov 12 00:45

barefoot james is march 11.............

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woodmanchester When: 15 Nov 12 01:59

Thanks PF. I'm with Jay, stretch these comps out too much. All being well, i'll be there for the quarter-finals, Dec 1st though

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 15 Nov 12 09:45

The competition waa advertised for 72 dogs to be run over 5 weeks, it didn't fill. Yes i think it makes the first round a bit silly but the dates set out are kept due to this and i think i'm right in saying it was the exact same last year.

Welfare of dogs gone out the door. - What are you talking about? If the competition had of filled they would have had to run 5 races in 5 weeks, they still have to run 5 races in 5 week. FFS it's what they are bred to do.

All done to keep the upstairs full. - More rubbish! Bar tonight the competition was exclusively to be run on Saturday nights. Shelbourne Park always get a crowd upstairs on a Saturday night, added to that from now to Christmas you will have the added attendance due to Christmas parties. The majority of those that do be upstairs would not know the difference nbetween an A6 and an OR, heck they would even notice if you raced poodles around the track.

You obviously have an axe to gring with the IGB and Shelbourne Racing Office, perhaps open a greyhound data account and post there as there is plenty of like minded whingebags on their too.

Oh and the competition is for Dec 10 whelps and younger.

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Distant View When: 15 Nov 12 11:23

PF,

What do you make of the entry of Rockchase Reem?

He looks to be marking time with him over this trip and just giving him an education. We certainly won't see the best of him until the 600 next year.

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JayTrumpOldTomDubbl When: 15 Nov 12 12:17

Well pf the IGB can continue to decimate our great sport with the likes of your good self supporting them.Tthey continue to cut prizemoney levels.
With all your clarifying and correcting of my earlier post you somehow forgot to mention the huge reduction in prizemoney for this most prestigous event.Yet the dogs must run as though it was of 72 entries.
Perhaps you'd like to have another go now at this post, ans try to take into account the welfare of our dogs. These are just pups remember.................barely 2yrs old.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 15 Nov 12 12:29

Jay i have never said whether i support the IGB or not, i have not mentioned prize money either, you are just making presumptions. I corrected the bullsh*t you spouted last night about the welfare of the dogs and why the comp is run over 5 weeks, you may not like it but i think i know a little bit more than you about the type of crowd and how big it is that Shelbourne attract.

The dogs are being asked to run 5 races in 35 days, it doesn't seem to bother Pat Buckley, Matt O' Donnell, Ollie Bray, Owen McKenna, Seamus Graham, Brenden Matthews, John Linehan, Peter Cronin, Graham Holland, Skip Gilbert, Timmy O' Donovan etc......... i think they know a thing or 2 and have all entered dogs knowing they would have to run 5 times in the timeframe where they to make the final.

DV i have a big worry about the dog to be honest, he looks to be crying out for a step up in trip but the problem i see with him is to the bend and even stepping up in trip i see him (at the moment) being pretty hopeless to the bend and if he is turning behind strong dogs over further in the same positions he is turning in 525y races will he be able to back run them?

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woodmanchester When: 15 Nov 12 14:41

PF, you said the event didnt fill. All dogs entered accomodated? Wheres would have been better a 48, 24, 12, 6 format, imo. When you start getting down to quite a few 5th place dogs getting through in the first round, then top 4 in the next, i'd say it's a bit of a mockery

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 15 Nov 12 14:57

I don't know if your last post is talking to me but here goes, i couldn't give a flying fack how they are running the comp, the rules are out and you know them and well quite frankly if you don't like it ignore the competition and don't get involved in it.

All i did was post the format to stop people like yourself coming on here crying like an aul one after round 1 puzzled why certain dogs are still in the competition.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 15 Nov 12 15:07

In an ideal world they would have got 72 entries.

1st round 4 qualify to make 48. Then 3 qualify every round after. The Final would have been on the same date advertised Dec 15th. The 1/4 finals would have been on the same date advertised Dec 1st (Night Of Stars).

That didn't happen so they had to do it some other way, they decided to have it on the same dates over the same number of runs hence the 48-36-24-12-6 format, i agree not ideal but that's what they choose.

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JayTrumpOldTomDubbl When: 15 Nov 12 18:50

I'd like to know who the they is/are ? And i bet owners+trainers were told this is the format,like or lump it.Be surprised if there was any reasonable interaction as most of these Racing Managers are of the dictator variety, witness Mark Wallace's sprint dog omitted for reasons only known to the RM.
Obviously most of the trainers who have dogs for the Comerford have little choice but to run, but not all the trainers are following this line.I think its scandalous and the 1st prize has dropped by 25% from 20K to 15K. A significant drop.
With the scarcity of dogs now to the forefront its a great shame that the owners do not have a properly structured body to show thes dictator managers that its the dogs that matter in the first place, and then its the owner, trainer and so on.The present GOBA are far too weak and actually have no voice at all.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 15 Nov 12 19:27

Stop posting, you make yourself look more stupid every time. Mark Wallace?? Who is he?? I persume you mean Mark Wallis and his sprinter Lil Risky not getting accepted into a race at Monmore, that has absolutely nothing to do with the IGB or the Shelbourne Park racing office, Monmore is in Wolverhampton, Wolverhampthon is in England and greyhound racing in England is ruled by a different body.

You started off by 'welfare of dogs gone out the door', i corrected you that nothing has changed, the competition is still a 5 run event as advertised. If trainers where not happy about this they would not have entered.

Now you have decided to bring the prize money into it. Yes it is disappointing that the prize money has gone down but 5 runs in 5 weeks is the same whether running for €20,000, €15,000 or 15 million. It doesn't make a dog having to run 5 times in 5 weeks any harder or easier.

You also said the only reason the comp was kept as a 5 run comp was ' All done to keep the upstairs full', again as i said upstairs in Shelbourne (from my experience of being there almost every Saturday night) has a good crowd every Saturday night and will have even bigger crowds in the coming weeks due to Christmas parties, it doesn't matter what racing is on, it will be well attended regardless.

Now you are moaning about something the Monmore racing manager did weeks ago on a thread about the Comerford Cakes National Puppy Stake run at Shelbourne Park, Dublin, Ireland under Irish Greyhound Rules. I'm failing to see the link here.

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woodmanchester When: 16 Nov 12 06:42

Yes PF, i'm sometimes baffled by the Irish qualification system, with even fastest also-rans sometimes getting through. I take your point that 4 races in 4 weeks would have been pretty much the same as 5 races in 5 weeks. I find these long, drawn-out affairs far from ideal from an ante-post betting point of view though

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 16 Nov 12 09:38

I take your point that 4 races in 4 weeks would have been pretty much the same as 5 races in 5 weeks.

If you'd read my posts you would see i never once said that so i've no idea where you have got that from.

Listen i never on this thread said i agreed with the format of the competition, i never on this thread said i disagreed with it either, i have accepted the way it is formatted and informed others before it was posted on the IGB how many dogs would qualify from each round and that has got some people in a tizzy. Sorry for trying to be helpful.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 16 Nov 12 09:44

Let's hope they price it up today and perhaps the actual racing and betting can get talked about.

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never give up When: 16 Nov 12 13:09

16/11/2012
There were gasps from the early arriving racegoers when the time was announced for Ardfert Thunder’s pre-racing trial at Shelbourne last night.

The Frances O’Donnell trained son of Droopys Vieri and Soviet Cheyenne had gone unbeaten through the Munster Puppy Cup at Clonmel with a best time of 28.41.

But he still caught people by surprise when he flew around and stopped the clock at 28.09, just nine spots off Milldean Panther’s record.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 16 Nov 12 14:59

Nobody pricing up then

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FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK When: 17 Nov 12 10:55

can only say so much !
where's the betting!!!!! FFS
we ain't going to get any views from the Irish lads with out value ante post bets!
ain't got time to look at it myself just watch the 1st round make up my mind than Hope they price up !!!

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 17 Nov 12 11:02

I see Ian Fortune asked Cooney from 365 and PP for prices on twitter. I contacted PP yesterday about prices and got the usual jibberish so just gave up and contacted Spoils who said they'd have prices this morning but i'm not banking on them either.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 17 Nov 12 15:23

Leamaneigh Story @ 12/1 e/w (His Thurles form looks very decent. Has clocked 28.76 around there and done 1.78, 1.81 and 1.84 sectionals which looks good in comparison to what Milldean Panther was doing down there last year. He has had 2 trials around Shelbourne going well enough in them and looks to have a nice mix of early and middle pace. Has drawn the toughest heat but with the format can hopefully qualify and the draw looks alright and he has seemed to take a middle course to the corner in Thurles. I think he is a more than fair price at 12/1)

Fear Big Star @ 16/1 e/w (Only had 2 races and is still a baby but i think he could turn out very good. He really impressed me last week, he wasn't well away on the night but went up to the corner well enough and managed to get around handy, he then flew down the back straight but got to the bend just at the wrong time and checked up. He can break better than he did that night as shown on his debut and he has big pace, with more experience he could be anything)

They're my main 2 bets but had to have some pennies on 1 more as he is another that could turn out to be anything.

Melodys Gamble @ 14/1 e/w (Had done 28.50 before he had raced and then was a short price for his debut in a really hot unraced stake. He proceeded to make the worst start i think i have ever seen a dog make doing a 2.55 sectional, however after being left absolutely miles behind he absolutely flew around to only get beaten about 6L. He has since came out on Thursday last week and done a flying 28.33 trial on a track i didn't feel was that flying. He has mental pace and is another with experience could turn out to be anything)

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never give up When: 17 Nov 12 16:24

whose prices are these pf ?

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 17 Nov 12 17:00

PP, 365, Spoils

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never give up When: 17 Nov 12 17:17

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The-Bandit When: 17 Nov 12 19:06

Rockchase Reem 25-1 PP is a huge price for the amount of pace he has at his disposal. Obviously over this distance he is going to have to passa number of dogs each night but he is a seriously fast hound.The other is Melodys Gamble 14-1 PP who could literally be a classic winner in waiting even after one unplaced start.I can wait to see what he does tonight.

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woodmanchester When: 17 Nov 12 19:42

Obviously extremely difficult with so much untapped potential, bit like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Thought: narrow it down. Came up with about 18, then boiled it down 6.

Top two Farloe Buddy and Jacksallstar obviously most fancied to go furthest at this stage but nothing clever in that

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woodmanchester When: 17 Nov 12 19:46

Not too far behind those, i liked 10/1 Droopys Adler, small play, along with 14/1 Lassa Expidition. Looking at a couple of outsiders, thrown a few coins at 25/1 apiece Skywalker Legend and Ladbrokes Star.

Good luck, think we will be needing it!

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woodmanchester When: 17 Nov 12 19:47

Oh, doing my Mystic Meg impression now but wouldnt be surprised if the outright winner came from heat 5 tonight

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BJG When: 17 Nov 12 21:33

track Record gone

Paradise Madison 27.97 after findin slight bother

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BJG When: 17 Nov 12 21:33

27.92*

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never give up When: 17 Nov 12 21:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UKP1GEUpm2c

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never give up When: 17 Nov 12 21:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RYR7HEtSHTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yNoZ8lCvcsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yZeS5BN7QlE

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never give up When: 17 Nov 12 21:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fzwBqutUFUg

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Dan Chipowski When: 17 Nov 12 21:50

How on earth has he clocked that time looking at the other result times tonight.

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never give up When: 17 Nov 12 21:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEco7XuTRlM&feature=autoshare

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Dan Chipowski When: 17 Nov 12 21:51

Then again North Bound also clocked a fast one.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 17 Nov 12 23:18

Sensational run, he always looked like he could do something special if he could come out of the boxes better, didn't quite believe that special

It's a pity he got injured at Longford as god only knows how he could have got on in the Derby.

Anyway he will have to keep coming away like that, this comp is still wide open.

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 17 Nov 12 23:34

Race 1 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 1 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap Greyhound * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1 CREMARTIN LARK
Trap 2 LOG CABIN
Trap 3 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 4 AIRFORCE FEAR
Trap 5 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 6 CORRAKIT

Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 2 09:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap Greyhound * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 2 PARADISE GILROY
Trap 3 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 4 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 5 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 6 LYREEN QUEST

Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 3 09:15 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap Greyhound * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1 JACKSALLSTAR
Trap 2 ODYSSEY
Trap 3 LASSA EXPEDITION
Trap 4 SLIPPERY TED
Trap 5 LADBROKES STAR
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL

Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 4 09:30 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap Greyhound * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 2 AIRFORCE PRINCE
Trap 3 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 4 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 5 SKIRTY CRASH
Trap 6 NIPPY GIRL

Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 5 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap Greyhound * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 3 FARLOE BUDDY
Trap 4 KINCRAIG PAT
Trap 5 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 6 VALAIS FIRST

Race 6 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 6 10:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap Greyhound * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 2 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 3 JUMEIRAH VEYRON
Trap 4 FAIRHILL NOEL
Trap 5 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Trap 6 LYREEN LEGEND

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Chopper76 When: 18 Nov 12 15:20

What is everyone's views on the winning heat times? Surely there isn't 15 lengths off a difference (using 0.07 for a length)between the TR holder and some of the heat winners.
PF- How did the pre race trials go time wise? What's your view on the going last night?

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p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y When: 18 Nov 12 15:35

Milldean Panther 28.44
Tyrur Sugar Ray 28.36
Razldazl Will 28.47
Uncle Eoin 28.52
Tyrur Gilmore 28.46

I didn't think the going was anything out of the ordinary, Madison and North Bound did huge runs (there best yet) but Refuge Of Sinner ran pretty much to his Shelbourne form off his best break around there. This dog was going around Shelbourne in brilliant times before he had ever raced. He made the Longford Derby Final in which he got injured after going into the comp with only 1 run to his name. He has always had the speed he just wasn't coming away, i was surprised that he had the early to lead last night though but once doing so he was always going to do a big run, granted i didn't think that big!!

There are still plenty of pups in here that can win the comp, he is more experienced than mos Madison and North Bound t and has ran in better class races than them but he will still have to keep trapping like he did last night in my opinion. I think it's a real exciting comp and think there are plenty still in with a big chance.