*** Townviewfoods Chmapion Stakes & Champion Plate, Shelbourne Park ***

MANIC  did look good first time round monmore
Wirst are evil things to go on hounds 
need half a year off and that and might not work

CHAMPION STAKES DRAW



Heat 1: 1 Rockchase Bullet; 2 Tibetan Skies; 3 Razldazl Bugatti; 4 Tyrur Willyjoe (m); 5 Royal Patrol (w); 6 Uncle Eoin (w).

Heat 2: 1 Droopys Jet; 2 Power Of God; 3 Milldean Tally; 4 Razldazl Jayfkay; 5 Tyrur Big Mike; 6 Sparta Maestro (w).

Heat 3: 1 Ballymac Vic; 2 Razldazl Barack; 3 Eabhas Fantasy; 4 Coolykereen Imp; 5 Barefoot Allstar (m); 6 Tyrur McGuigan (m).




Holy jesus what a race the 2nd heat is

yep, good enough to be Derby Final.

JFK unseeded ?

Vic perfectly drawn.

Skies can hopefully track around behind Bullet with Bugatti keeping middle?

That 2nd heat is incredible. Jet has a brilliant dray. Heaven knows what Big Mike will do and whether it will adversely affect Maestro.

Does Jet have a great draw? Power Of God is bang rails and can come away

Is he that tight a railer? Must watch his videos again.

I would have thought that if Jet was drawn between POG and Milldean he would have been in trouble.

Yeah i'm starting the card now, i remember his Shelbourne races well and he went rails from 2 in them but was clear of the inside dog


Plate Draw

Race 6 2012 townfoods.com Champion Plate Semi-Final 09:00 Approx. (550 Yds. Flat)  (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap     Greyhound     * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1     RAZLDAZL APOLLO
Trap 2     DANMAR BENNY
Trap 3     LOLOS JOE
Trap 4     AIRFORCE FRANKIE
Trap 5     TYRUR JUSTIN
Trap 6     CROSSFIELD STAR

Race 7 2012 townfoods.com Champion Plate Semi-Final 09:15 Approx. (550 Yds. Flat)  (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap     Greyhound     * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1     KILLBARRY ROVER
Trap 2     CUIL COUGAR
Trap 3     TYRUR BLANCHE
Trap 4     DUSSELDORF
Trap 5     DROOPYS COMEDIAN
Trap 6     CAMAS

Race 8 2012 townfoods.com Champion Plate Semi-Final 09:30 Approx. (550 Yds. Flat)  (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap     Greyhound     * View Complete Race Form
Trap 1     BALLYBOUGH HAWKE
Trap 2     BAREFOOT DUKE
Trap 3     TYRUR SUGAR RAY
Trap 4     RAZLDAZL LUKE
Trap 5     SWIFT MARATHON
Trap 6     STAY THIRSTY

Think JFK would of needed that run last week still think he should of won from where he turned
JFK never a true wide middle auto be fine just has too show some ep he be fine!

Vic as great draw

only going to punt one dog wait for the prices
JFK or vic?

Jayfkay runs best fresh in my opinion, i don't see him improving that much, last week was as quick as he has ever gone over 550y.

Vic will have to be a short priced favourite with the draw the way it's worked out.

Take Wimbledon out of your head Fattie and look at JFK races at HQ, not his trials, you will come to the right answer.
Now everything has a price, and if JFK's price is wrong, then he could be a bet, i doubt it though

ain't got wimbo in my head ! Well I think so oh Defo not in my head!
I bear that in mind chop!
Chopper wise words From some who post time to time

any dog thats not been on the track 6-8 weeks auto show some signs of going forward after lay off
I know the dog not showed at shel maybe he won't I do know is if any graded dog didn't show anythink your be Stright on thd blower to the trainer!

Vic will be short indeed.....ref the 2nd Heat that is unreal - from what I have seen of Power of God in both HQ and Clonmel the dog needs the rails - cannot see it outpacing Jet to the bend on last years SP running(long time ago I know)

Tibetian Skies should get a dream run in the first heat also

Brgds
Johnny

JFK run Saturday was a carbon copy when he raced bower paddy IMO
people thought he didn't want to pass look like that Saturday !

I thought Jet was the one to take out of the Race of Champions, plot draw this week in the heat of death but i think Maestro could struggle boxed outside some much early. I'd be looking to back Jet in the outright.
Let's hope a few of the guessers price it up

dont know what the rest of you think, but i would rather have sparta drawn middle

Agree with PF, dont think that much improvement to come from JFK, but can do better than last Saturday, imo. Anyway, never underestimate the Power of God!

Spoils are away, fav looks very short.

Ballymac Vic
3/1
Droopys Jet
7/1
Sparta Maestro
15/2
Tibetan Skies
8/1
Razldazl Jayfkay
8/1
Razldazl Bugatti
12/1
Tyrur Willyjoe
12/1
Tyrur Big Mike
14/1
Rockchase Bullet
16/1
Power Of God
16/1
Razldazl Barack
20/1
Tyrur Mcguigan
20/1
Barefoot Allstar
20/1
Milldean Tally
25/1
Coolykereen Imp
25/1
Eabhas Fantasy
25/1
Royal Patrol
50/1
Uncle Eoin
50/1


Danmar Benny
7/1
Killbarry Rover
7/1
Camas
7/1
Tyrur Justin
8/1
Cuil Cougar
8/1
Tyrur Sugar Ray
10/1
Swift Marathon
10/1
Stay Thirsty
10/1
Lolos Joe
12/1
Airforce Frankie
14/1
Crossfield Star
16/1
Ballybough Hawke
16/1
Barefoot Duke
16/1
Razldazl Apollo
20/1
Razldazl Luke
20/1
Dusseldorf
28/1
Tyrur Blanche
33/1
Droopys Comedian
40/1

Cant believe how short Vic is to be fair.....

Woody don't get it not much improvement in JFK 
Than you say can run better than last Saturday,
If that happens ain't that inprovement ? Sorry if not
Allway thought running better week later was!

3/1 vic on that that draw little skinny but bd lot shorter if in red or blue come final!

Fatty, what i'm trying to say is JFK goes well fresh as seen in the English Derby and maintained that level, didnt improve coz of any rustiness, but you think he will improve, he wont in my opinion. He's likely to be as good as he ever will be but just think he ran a bit flat last Saturday, that's why i'm saying can do better, not will improve. Sorry, does sound a bit confusing.

Anyway, fancy him but hoping for a bit better than 8/1, as with 16/1 Power of God.

Not sure why Sparta Maestro is more than double the price of Ballymac Vic, yet half Vic's price for the Derby? Answers to www.woody@confused.com

I'm not sure why you're confused Woody, look at it and ignore what prices they are for the Derby.


Ballymac Vic is drawn in the weakest of the 3 heats. Sparta Maestro is drawn in as tough a race as you're likely to see.

Ballymac Vic has a nice draw in 1 and will be a short priced favourite. Sparta Maestro is drawn outside of one of the fastest dogs to the bend to race around Shelbourne but also one of the worst bend runners too.

Ballymac Vic clocked the fastest time of the year last week. Sparta Maestro is coming back from a 3 week lay off after picking up a knock.



3/1 does not interest me but he was always going to be put in short once the draw came out the way it did as to most he is the most likeliest qualifier for next weeks final out of the 18 entries.

Spoilsports shortening everything did they employ Danny by any chance as it's usually only his firm that has so much colour on oddschecker

Champion Stakes

Rockchase Bullet @ 20/1 (small) - Like his draw a lot in his heat. He should easily have the leading of Tibetan Skies on his outside so i can see him turning 2nd to Razldazl Bugatti and from there i'd expect him to pick him up and qualify. I think he is being slightly underestimated here. Negatives are he has only had 2 sprint trials since the Betfair 600 final so i've no idea how forward he is and he'd need to be here but i'll risk it at the price, only small mind.


Champion Plate

Tyrur Sugar Ray @ 10/1 (had a decent pop at him) - He will take off one of these nights and i'd be hopeful it will be Saturday night as i feel off one of his decent break he should have the leading of those inside him. Obviously he is mad for the rails so the draw is crucial for him but i still feel he could be very good.

Crossfield Star @ 20/1 (small) - Did a pretty rubbish trial last week so hardly ideal but he is a strong runner who could qualify from a good draw. Only 2 (w)s in the comp so the only possible bad draw i could see would be getting drawn outside of Camas.




Found both comps diffucult to find bets in especially the Champion Stakes down to the draw.

Did you hear that he was "wrong" in the 600?

That was the rumour in the ring at the time. Hope he is over those ailments.

That is a super 750 tonight btw.

They will hardly show Dundalk on intertrack? I know they show Shelbourne in Dundalk but don't think it works the other way.

Yeah it's some race that 750y, i was trying to get a quote about a dog running tonight for the Derby but enquired with the sponsors and irelands biggest firm and both said they would get back to me but surprise surprise nothing

Could well be right seen as he has been off since the 600 and only had the 2 sprints recently

Ok PF, but who's to say your liked dog Maestro wont get another hard heat in the Derby? 13/2 for this stake or 10/1 for the Derby. It's obvious to me what's the best bet, not that i'm keen enough on the dog to back him anyway

I'd be surprised if he got a heat like that during the Derby and anyway in the first round either 3 or 4 will qualify and then 3 thereafter. I would have rathered they skipped this comp to be honest seen as he supposidly had a problem after his run 3 weeks ago.

The reason their is a discrepency in price between Vic and Maestro is the respective heats they are in, surely that is not diffucult to understand. You may not agree with it and if you think he is a big price well then back him, i can't have a decent bet on the comp as i think it's that hard and nothing really interests me.

PF, have you had a look at race 2 yet at HQ on sat night, just wondered what price you made the top, think 2+3 will tangle

7/2 to 100% in 2nd, 11/4 around 120%, i agree with you think 2 and 3 be better the opposite way around

Thanks, what price do you make Crossfield to win his heat, i know you think he is value in the outright, plotted up but does he have the early to get around?

No i don't think he has the early to go around but everything wants to go left bar maybe the top who i think may edge off, Justin not as bad but he never seemed to get home in the Easter Cup so i think the bottom could pick him up. I made Danmar Benny fav followed by the bottom. 10/3 i make him

I had a laugh at the forecast tissue for the 2nd Semi of the Champion Stakes, do the father and son combo produce these?

yeah me too,

Ian does Shelbourne,

As much as i love the dog i can't have Mike (i hope i'm wrong though), i was not impressed with his trial last week

We going to get heat prices??

Chris do trials still start after race dogs weighed in,r during weigh in.

Yeah they start after 7

Last weigh in 7.15 so you say after that then mate

Yeah they start around 7.15,, you trialling some tonight?

Yeah a pup just to let him see the track.

Hopefully i'll get in to see it

well done Spoilsports, ye took your time

Champion Plate

Heat 1 - Crossfield Star 2pts @ 9/2
Heat 2 - Dusseldorf 1pt @ 10/1
Heat 3 - Tyrur Sugar Ray 2.5pts @ 2/1

Champion Stakes

Heat 1 - Rockchase Bullet 2pts @ 4/1
Heat 2 - Power Of God 1pt @ 8/1
Heat 3 - Coolykereen Imp 1pt @ 10/1

can anyone explain the talking dogs section below, i am a little confused???

''The quality of entry in both events is quite awesome and all six races will test punters to the limit. Seeking out solid betting opportunities is quite a task but Sparta Maestro and Ballymac Vic are put forward as two that should oblige.
Neither face a simple task and Sparta Maestro, in particular has a semi mountain to climb. Droopys Jet is very well drawn in one and that can give him the edge over fellow inside runners Power Of God and Milldean Tally. But Razldazl Jayfkay and that superb veteran Tyrur Big Mike may be altogether tougher nuts to crack.''

puts maestro up as should oblige and 1 line later says it has a semi moutain to climb?

It was the same with the International the other night

JFK 7/2 think if I let that go I'll shoot myself if it wins
still crying from the other night !

MF comments not different from the last couple of years e.g "1 is fast out and has brilliant chance and will win, but two finishes like a train and should get up, three has best time over distance and should win if back to his best which I think he is, 4 has never lost from this box and cant see this changing, 5 has never been beaten and never will, 6 has a GD rating of 200 and at 75% fit will win this, looks very fresh and on top form so trainer says"

MF comments not different from the last couple of years e.g "1 is fast out and has brilliant chance and will win, but two finishes like a train and should get up, three has best time over distance and should win if back to his best which I think he is, 4 has never lost from this box and cant see this changing, 5 has never been beaten and never will, 6 has a GD rating of 200 and at 75% fit will win this, looks very fresh and on top form so trainer says"

MF comments not different from the last couple of years e.g "1 is fast out and has brilliant chance and will win, but two finishes like a train and should get up, three has best time over distance and should win if back to his best which I think he is, 4 has never lost from this box and cant see this changing, 5 has never been beaten and never will, 6 has a GD rating of 200 and at 75% fit will win this, looks very fresh and on top form so trainer says"

Paddy Power are claiming that Swift Marathon is a NR yet they still have him in their A/P betting and in their race betting at a ridicolous 14/1 WTF are these clowns at??????

Paradise Martini in as a reserve, 14/1 is huge €5 max for me

Champion Stakes draw: 1. Droopys Jet 2. Rdazl Barack, 3. Ballymac Vic, 4. Rdazl Bugatti, 5. Tibetan Skies, 6. Sparta Maestro


Some good runs tonight - Jet looks plotted up

now i know the angle is bad at shelbourne for the photo but can someone tell me how the fcuk tp 6 has won the 7th race looked to be 1 1/2l behind

Had seven winners tonight. Was very sweet on Bugatti, Droopys Jet & Vic. Its gonna be some final next week!

FINAL TRAP DRAW

1 BAREFOOT DUKE
2 RAZLDAZL APOLLO
3 LOLOS JOE
4 TYRUR BLANCHE
5 TYRUR SUGAR RAY
6 CAMAS (W)


That fcks Sugar Ray

Vic got a great draw he's middle runner I was shocked
He run so well from one at she'll last two week when u see that Tralee run where he moved off
JFK think he missed it can see twice bobing about in the traps
VIC NO pinger but ep is unreal he be big fav god it next week

also the bug saves his best for Shelbourne
that was his best run all year you just couldn't after that run at sunderland
He's suit to the big tracks where he don't stay than tight ones he can't run!
50/1 value on that run you know he love the track

skies showed some pace alone the back I've never felt
100% with him he put a **** one in
But that was eye catching pace

Maestro very fast but 6 not for him!

I think Sparta Maestro has a good draw, will lead up Tibetan Skies no problem and stay mid to wide and should get a good run. Jayfkay bumped him from behind on the bend and then Big Mike was in his way down the back to the last bend forcing him wide. These things cost him some time in his semi final and i'd expect him to improve.

It's going to be some race between Vic and Bugatti for the early lead and Droopys Jet should lie handy from his great draw. It really is a grwat race and i think the draw has worked out the best way possible for a cleanly run race.

Ballymac Vic looks a fair price at 9/4.

I'd agree...

Didnt bet but thought about trying to get odds on Vic for Champion Stakes/Derby double. However, looks like i've lost on Phoenix and Imp already, so betting sparringly now. As it stands, i'd give an outside squeak to Bugatti turning in front and holding on with trouble behind, at 5/1

I thought Bugatti has a chance and is a decent bet at 6s with Cashmans (i made him 5s). He did a real quick run in the 1st round of last years Derby though and never got anywhere near the time again. Still though he has a decent chance if he can lead. I had it priced pretty much as the books then went up but am siding with Sparta Maestro as i like the draw and think he will turn handy enough and get a trouble free run.

I cant see why Bugatti should be half the price ..5s.. and TIBETAN SKIES be as high as 10s PF...IN THE S/FINALS  T.S. WAS 2/1 FAV AND R.B a 4/1 shot..o.k bugatti got out fast and won well while Tibetan got no run until halfway. I cant see bugatti getting his own way in this field i dont fancy him at all ...the bet for me is tibetan to be 2nd to Vic IN A F/CAST  ..GET ON 

I can't speak for the bookmakers but i can give you my reasons i make them those prices. As for the semi finals i made Tibetan Skies 5/2 and Razldazl Bugatti 4/1 to 100%. I actually fancied Rockchase Bullet to be bang there but the reason i had Tibetan Skies as favourite was the make up of the race. I couldn't have either Royal Patrol or Uncle Eoin and Tyrur Willyjoe is wide running from 4. Hence i thought the 3 inside runners would get a good run, i always thought Bugatti would lead but i saw his trial the previous week where he flew from 5 but blew up over 525y and i thought he'd be picked up. I thought both inside runners would get a clear and one of them would get to him.

To the final now and Bugatti has a leaders chance in my opinion, yes we all know if he doesn't lead that's it he doesn't win but he probably has the best early in the race when getting it right at traps. Tibetan Skies on the other hand is turning last in the final or 5th at best in my opinion. Added to that Sparta Maestro has a nice draw in the final and he will turn ahead of Tibetan Skies and i don't think he can back run him. I actually think Tibetan Skies best chance of victory is Razldazl Bugatti's best chance too, Tibetan needs Bugatti to lead as there are onl 3 possible leaders in my view and Droopys Jet and Ballymac Vic will be doing 29.40s if leading and they won't be getting picked up from something out the back.


To put in another way in the semi final i thought he had 'outs' in that he could pick them up. In the final i don't see these 'outs' really as 4 of the runners i see turning ahead of him are all capable of clocking 29.40s and the only way i could possible see him winning is if the race is messy and i don't think the make up is there for all them to get trouble.


I could well be way off the mark but i think the books have it pretty much right.

MY thinking is Vic will get the lead ..at least by the 2nd bend this in turn can cause problems for the dogs behind which in turn will suit T.S...I cant see him picking up VIC but 2nd in a f/cast will pay out nice odds... JET could spoil the f/cast; i dont really fancy any of the others; come about 10.0c sat night i could be wipeing egg of my boatrace  ..but i hope not.

No egg on your face mate if wrong, you have an opinion of the race, i have an opinion on the race and they differ. That's all Better to have an opinion than sit on the fence.


It wouldn't really surprise me if he finished 2nd but i just find it very diffucult to see how he wins. At 10/1 if he finishes 2nd (on an e/w bet) you're getting paid 1.75 which doesn't interest me as i don't think the win part of the bet is a runner.

I still think Sparta Maestro is the best dog in the country, like his draw so have played him at 10/3. If Vic leads around and Sparta is out of it i'll look for Tibetan and hope he takes 2nd for you

Go raibh maith agat.  M8

What's others view on the Plate Final?? On Sugar Ray @ 10s but absolutely disguisted with the draw and although i'm a huge fan of his i can't consider him at the prices quoted seen as he's turning straight left. Had he not stumbled last week i think he would have done some clock but the draw is poxy.

Camas has clearly the best of the draw but i wasn't impressed again last week for the 3rd week running and don't want to be playing him at short prices.
Tyrur Blanche is like Sugar Ray in that she wants to be nearer rails and will be moving there run up too, she flew out in the semi and still it wasn't enough so need a flier and luck behind.
Lolos Joe ran a cracker in the semi but has the 2 moving rails outside him so will need to pop out and get away from them, i'm not sure he can get clear with the early around him.
Razldazl Apollo broke a lot better than before in the semi and went up well on the inside and if doing so again will be tough to beat and looks fairly priced at 7/2 but will he trap as well again?
The leaves up with Barefoot Duke who i thought was desperate unlucky in his heat. He came away well but didn't have the pace to hold the lead up and Ballybough Hawke got up his inside to do him on the bend. He then took another bump and ended up 4th into the back but flew down the back and stayed on well to only get beat 1L behind Sugar Ray. I think he may have a few of his own ideas but at 9/1 he looks the value in the final to me, if he can hold a decent pitch early he could take some holding persuming Sugar Ray cannot get loose from the draw.

Champion Plate: Tyrur Sugar Ray @ 10/1 (ante post), Barefoot Duke @ 9/1

Champion Stakes: Sparta Maestro @ 10/3


That's my lot anyway (lost small money on Rockchase Bullet and Crossfield Star ante post too)

Serious Champion Stakes final and surely only one of the early pacers win this - And my thinking is that Bugatti is the most likely leader. However, the draw suits Droopys Jet and he'll pick up Bugatti if he's anyway close to him heading down the back.
Brilliant final and Jet gets my vote!

Spoilsports have priced up the 2 consolation finals tomorrow if anyone is interested.

Anway i think Danmar Benny is too big @ 9/4 for the Plate Consolation, only barely failed to get around in front last week and if trapping the same i can't see what stops him going around this week.

In the Champion Stakes Consolation i think Milldean Tally is some price @ 5/1, great draw, ran a blinder last week, think once she holds Eabhas Fantasy run up she turns handy and wins.

think the same as you on DANMAR 9/4 auto lead than kick on

but I think JFK. missed it last week this is no where near as hard a race but if ****s up his trapping end of
but if he comes away he be hard to pull back
9/4

Double only !
will watch the final only think its a great race
jet as a great draw but in a way so does vic
It too hard the inside lot could smash 6 pop round who knows
Where find out later

Hope Vic, JFK and God do good tonight

free shelbourne stream
pass   iStream

good to see JFK show some heart after taking whack at first bend and run pass Fantasy down BS and run on to win, just holding off the strong running on Bullet by a Hd in 29.80 odd, just doesn't trap at HQ

thats bullets best race since derby final

yeh mesi, v good run considering bullet took bump out of traps and was stone last into first bend...if he polishes up his trapping he could be back big time, still short of full fitness too

I stream mesi
Tell more cos all I can see is inde moveies!!

Need to see the action but JFK 29.80 ain't going to win any derby
Comas found a smash break and 5l
Looks jet beat vic on the draw!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxtRKlGZMoc&feature=youtu.be&a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwIE2VObMQ&feature=youtu.be&a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw4vl-jgfIY&feature=youtu.be&a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q15ErM-qgQ&feature=youtu.be&a

Hindsight comas had plot of plots 
JFK Stright as a dire handy he run from any trap
we saw front two in the derby betting battle it out.
jet pulled away think if vic was inside him the result be the other way round ! If bug was on the inside tonite might of lead but u do know he packs it in if not leading
Maestro 3rd bend put pay to being in first 3 very unlikely there be 4 or 5 top dogs in same heat come derby
One and a half weeks to go ! take it draw benefit made Sunday with entries in by Thursday?

sorry about the stream forgot to include the link,should be back for derby

Well done mesi be shaw to post come wednesday week if u can!! Top man!

Good race and i can't see any excuses for any of them. The draw won the race for Jet in my opinion as they where virtually level into the bend but once he went around he was never getting beaten. Vic ran well too and i thought Tibetan ran a blinder. Little disappointed with Sparta, got a bit of bother at the 3rd but never thought he was going to get close, not coming away didn't help.

Some run by Camas, i thought he ran cack the last 3 weeks and he went 3/1 on course i was told. He was the best drawn dog of the night but i didn't see that run coming.


I can't back a winner in Shelbourne recently got my money back laying a few dogs but then layed Cuil Cougar in the last so lost on the night, thank god Danedream won to save my day.


The draw for the Derby is on Monday July 30th Fattie

Great performance by the Jet to lead, yes Vic got on him from line into first bend, but for Jet to lead to line first time is great effort for him and bodes well for those that have backed him AP..although I'd be nervous him out in T4 or 5

Jul 22, 2012 -- 9:30AM, mesi wrote:

sorry about the stream forgot to include the link,should be back for derby

I doubt if that stream will be back again.

Droopys Jet is the fastest greyhound in Ireland and he deserved that big pot on Saturday night. He'll win this Irish Derby and is undoubtedly the dog to beat!

YA COM   great performence ..but i would.nt be licking his backside yet..there were some very good runs by other dogs on Sat that were not that far behind. his best price at the min is 10/1 with PP which is not great with the probable amount of runners being around 100+ come the draw . .. we all like to pick one out that slips under the rader and i think i saw such a dog on sat night.. but im sorry i cant share it untill i see if the dog is in the draw come the end of the month.

He won't see which was Droopys Jet went! Has everything and is one of the few that can make up for lost ground early on!

He was very impressive and has as much chance as any in the Derby but put Vic inside Jet on Saturday night and the result would have been different in my opinion, he only led due to the draw. Brilliant performance though

*would = could*

He'd have picked up Ballymac Vic if they were drawn the other way around. I've never been so impressed with a dog since the College Causeway days. He just has everything and should be outright favourite with everybody! Cuil Cougar is another for the shortlist, will be a good Derby this year!

Cannot have Cuil Cougar for stolen money, once he is lead he isn't the same dog, beaten by decent dogs lately, not great dogs. No value in the Derby market anymore, Puma is the only one at 25s with Fred

My concern about Vic is he wants to be middle to rails and that the one box could be his downfall around the 1/4 final stage

Always thought Droopys Jet benefits from red but people were saying differently in English Derby. Not always at his very best (although you can say that about all dogs) but shade disappointing not to win very good money for me at Wimbledon, so left him alone. Watch him win now!

Remember Judicial Pride?

Looked a boat over at the Don but brilliant when he came back to Shelbourne.

Droopys obviously just did not handle the traps. hare etc over there and has resumed his brilliant domestic career upon returning.

like JFK in reverse

VIC CAN RUN FROM 1-4
Can JET? there ain't much between them there head of the market both auto go deep