arry so your saying that a lightly raced dog returning from injury not entitled to find 20 spots in 4 runs? And has nothing to do with it? You been dog racing? 1st race entitled to lead easy as bunny runner ideal, ps didn't back it thought it would be picked up, next race it had trap 1 in a race of non stayers and had every chance to lead. Price put me off but I did do the trio which paid 80 quid if that is ok lol? Bad example really arry come on!!!
A better choice of dog of bucklands to look at was supreme amigo on bags at 4/7, no dog should go off odds on, on the bags! Ok looked a bet but not 4/7 someone somewhere had on.

Parc who do you think is trainer I have missed? It puzzles me!

Irishone - kyme is fairly new maybe a year now? Not 100 percent. Well on been training at Hg on / off for years!!!

Thanks anakin

"FOR ANY SPORT TO BE A SUCCESS YOU NEED A GOOD REFEREE, BUT IN MY OPINION H.G. HAS A VERY POOR REF"

I agree, what the ref did here is sent one bloke off whilst the others have carried on as before thats why I am saying the one they sent off was hard done by.

Stuffed wrote-IN MY OPINION A TRAINERS JOB IS TO HAVE AS MANY WINNERS AS POSSIBLE AND BET THEM WHENEVER HE FEELS THE DOGS GOT A CHANCE, AFTER ALL ITS A GAMBLING INDUSTRY.

Im not for one second saying that anyone has done this but these rules seem to disagree with your above quote Stuffed and maybe this was partly the reason but again its only speculation from me.

Rule 184A Licensed Official attached to Racecourse not to bet there
A Licensed Official shall not make any bets on any Race at any Racecourse to which he/she is attached.

Rule 184B Owner, Licence Holder not to bet
It shall be a breach of these Rules of Racing for:
a Trainer to lay any Greyhound, under his/her care or control
a Kennel Employee, who is or has been registered under Rule 9, to lay any Greyhound, under the care or control of the Trainer for whom he/she is or was employed, whilst so employed and for a period of 21 Days after ceasing to be so
an Owner to lay any Greyhound he/she owns
any other person, who has provided a service or services connected with a Trainer’s business of training Greyhounds and within 21 Days of his/her.

Again these are the rules so it would contradict that a trainer should bet when he/she thinks they should win.Again not my opinion just the rules and as i say maybe the officials had reasonable doubt and exercised their own rules regarding trainers betting.

The problem with this is anyone could be betting these dogs or any dogs and the trainers has to take the rap and that includes the racing managers and the likes.

Listen you lot grab your ears and pull your head as hard as you can out of your r s's
There is a fellah over here called Dermot Weld
Every year he comes to Galway Races
This year he won 20 odd races out of 50
Every one of them was gambled on
The IRISH reaction - "THE MAN'S A GENIUS"
YOUR reaction would be - somehow "HE's BREAKING THE RULES"
Dermot Weld sits on the Committee for the Galway Races
He is such a brilliant man at exploiting the Rules
That they brought him in to help make them !!!!!
NOW why cant you BRITS do the same ????
Pearce was successful
Every punter throughout your country in the Betting Shops wised up and jumped on when he had one going
He was good for Greyhound Racing
The Hall Green Shadows who run the place
Should have him in and start learning from him
You lot should stop pointing to the Rules
... because like all Brits you are deeply jealous
Of the success of the geyser
NOW you want to knock him down
The fellah took the British "RULES" & the "ESTABLISHMENT" on
And beat them up
Instead of sending him off you should be learning from him
This allegiance to the rules, the system and the established order....

IS SO FECKING BRITISH !

The record of Azzuri Miley suggests the trainer knew exactly what he was doing and by its record any owner would have been pleased. The greyhound has now found its level, apparently still healthy and genuine. To suggest the trainer held it back in 14 A6 races is very debatable. The dog previously won 2/6 A8 and 4/11 A7. Throughout those 14 A6 races I would suggest that one or two "gambles" went astray nothing is mentioned of that. The overall profile of the dog suggests it was being bought along steadily. Once out of his kennel it found masses of time to win two quick races and now 5/15 at a higher grade. A profile of a successful greyhound. Are we suggesting something against the rules happened while it was in A6?. Hindsite is a wonderful thing. As a point of discussion what happened after it won A5 in 29.22 by six lengths at 11/2 sp for its new trainer. Finding 4/5 lengths on its best. Was that excused by blaming the previous trainer holding it back?

Point taken and I do not know who the best trainer is. I am just highlighting some facts and not supporting anyone trainer. From a pure racing point of view the short priced winners on bags have the following mitigating circumstances. One was in a downgraded race, two were won in slower times than the dog ran previously and none were by more than 1 1/2 lengths. It is obviously the amount of money taken out from the large bookmakers that has prompted all this. It just re affirms how much the game depends upon the large bookmakers.

When your dog,horse or human runner is in tip top condition and tuned to perfection you the trainer
are the first and best to know this but the problem with letting this information out to certain members of both sides of the betting community/industry is it can have negative effects to the opposite side backer of the exchange, beit a conventional bookmaker or player in an exchange.

The amounts bet on pearces runners and the price movements involved show that you cant mix business with pleasure in such to such an open degree without losing trust within the arrangement members.

HAVING ATTENDED H.G. FOR MANY YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN FEW TAINERS REFERRED TO AS GENIUS, TONY MEEK WITH TWO DERBY WINNERS IS POSSIBLY THE ONLY ONE. SO HOW DID AN AVERAGE TRAINER WITH AVERAGE DOGS ,  ( most improved after leaving his kennels ) HAVE SO MUCH SUCCESS? THE ANSWER IS APPARENT TO EVERYONE WITH A REASONABLE OPINION AT H.G. HIS DOGS FOR SOME REASON WERE FAVOURABLY TREATED, AND WHEN THEY DID FIND TO MUCH TIME, FOR SOME INEXPLICKABLE REASON THE GOING ALLOWANCE WAS ADJUSTED, AND WHEN A DOGS PERFORMANCE VASTLY IMPROVED NO QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. SO YOU CANNOT BLAME THE TRAINER,BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY QUESTION THE REFS PERFORMANCE

i sort of agree with you about the bookies, and your right about pearce taking money off them, he took it off punters on betfair even worse in my opinion, and was giving Hall Green a bad rep, all of the bookies commentators would say here is a pearce special from hall green again and they win! surely that is not good for the track? I remember days where we would hardly see a 6/4 on bags let alone 4/6, and from stats above it show hall green's odds on win more than any other track, makes us look like a flapping track not the jewel in the supposed GRA we are supposed to be!

Yes Barney Curley is bad for racing, but difference is he only represented himself as Pearce represented hall green. And yes the bookies do shorten up to quick sometimes without taking a bet because unfortunately  Betfair on bags racing has made the sport as corrupt as it is. Get a much better reflection of a gamble on a night. Also Pearce's dogs would have 20k on them etc. and arry why did Pearce get asked to leave really, can you shed any light from the race room or do us punters have to put up with Stephen rea's cover up speech??

I would get it from the bank. Drug dealers have different ways of finding the finance lol.. Ok iris upto 20k and I've seen that with my own eyes

iris I am afraid you have got me wrong. And yes to a point guess work because I do not record the amount of money for everyone of Pearce dogs, I sure someone on here can confirm it better than myself, yes we all know why Pearce was sacked, just be nice to hear it from the inside of the gra rather than releasing a statement thanking John for his service but he can longer run dogs at hg.  He would of been a great example of how no trainer is untouchable!

Nice to see your still alive John lol. Actually it would not surprise in the slightest if they hadn't properly informed you I can believe that. GRA are the most unprofessional body in any sport I have come accross.

And iris like I have said before your just a bloke sitting on his computer trying to make money without a care for the sport. You haven't even been to hall green in your life. I love the sport from the thrill of the race, the social aspect, the re homing of greyhounds and raising money for the RGT, for the success of the sport in whole. What do you put back into the sport apart from winding everyone up on the greyhound forum with your 13 thousand posts.  I respect people's opinions even arrysarmys who disagree's with most of my opinions but I respect his views because he cares, he has a passion for the sport and his opinion is based on what happens at Hg. Your opinions mean nothing iris!

Good luck with the breeding and kennels hope it goes well for you. As for your opinions I am afraid on the subject of the goings on at hall green you are right your opinion is still irrelevant

some of us got day jobs iris, we haven't got all day watching evey single pound on every dog. The fact I have been going to hall green for the last 25 years constantly go to the majority of meetings might give me an inclination of what's going on.   I have seen dossiers collated by hardcore gamblers etc about the likes of Pearce etc, you will have to take my word on it, or unless you have the facts yourself to disprove the fact that there has never been 20k on a dog at hall green, I'm sure it would be very educating. Either way it does not hide the fact you will never know all the in's and outs of Hg. Do you see me for example challenging locals knowledge at say belle vue?

couldn't agree more

Form was spot on in the first tonight...long may it continue that way

Any update on Compass Leah please Anakin (31 Aug 11 15:47)  ?

"I am sure backing compass leah till end of december will give you a very decent profit"
Really hoping we'll get a run before the end of the month, looking forward to my decent profit !

17/09/2011 480m 3 4.93 6th DIS   Golden Beauty  Hall Green LdTo1,Crd,Ck2 28.95 -20 4/1 A2
12/09/2011 480m 3 4.97 5th 8     Big Bad Brad   Hall Green Mid,Chl-1,Bmp 28.96 -20 3/1FA2 29.41
02/09/2011 480m 4 4.96 3rd 8     Klockwork Krai Hall Green Mid,FcdTCkRnUp,Crd2 28.58 -10 3/1 A2 29.13

Another load of B S