been there!!!!

Very edited this time then, Vegas.. you said I was defending Betfair, maybe once I would have but not now. what made me put up my comment earlier was because of bob's posts, he was saying nothing gets matched but today I had 447 bets matched, works out at nearly on a minute, he said he had odds of 12 up for ages today on Leishman but he has been as high as 32 today and as low as 7.6. If you ask for fair odds at the correct times your bets will get matched, £2 or £900.

With regards to why would some clever trader not give him those odds because a few minutes later it was higher anyway, well a trader does not need to take the risk that the odds will go the rite way for him, and anyway a trader is very often a trader because he is not interested in having a gamble.

I am afraid I also could not agree that £2 bets are killing the exchange more than PC? he will have to explain that one too me.

With your "we should educate and not pretend all is good" as I said I wish it was how it was 10+ years ago, when the PC was introduced I thought that was the end of my time on here, but the one thing it did do it made me think about the markets and believe me if I can find ways to make it work anyone can!

It's not that I agreed with his points, but I saw summin about he's a joker and took a side lol - on re-reading, it was an isolated comment which meant very little - everything else was actually a good read, people were "educating" so I suppose in a nutshell I was wrong!!  oooops

as for the change in betfair, ADAPT that's exactly what u did and me for that matter, I've said before I went from clicking for 100s at a time to having a £2 button, top and bottom, have to feed the family!!

oh but one thing, without any sort of fast feed I'm pondering... trader or not, a BET, always and forever will be a BET - a punt - a sure thing, but ALWAYS ALWAYS A GAMBLE!!!

Well yeah!
btw the "fair" odds u speak of - I'm not sure it can be so literal, fairness is just opinion at the end of days, and in a weak market with a VERY select bunch of players I think it becomes even more stretched, irrelevant of how u do it, if u make money taking it off others who are less informed shall we say, is not a honarable profession no matter how nicer person u are.

But if like today I averaged a bet per minute then either I am taking bad odds or they can't be far from fair?
I am no more informed than anyone else, I don't have fast pictures, in fact I often forget that the radio of TV coverage has started.
I did have a edge when I first started on here on the European tour in that I can read a golf swing and know where the ball is going at impact or even just before and back or lay accordingly, but faster pics put a stop to that.

It always evolves, I see you joined 2 months before me, remember the night someone discovered what is now Shot Tracker, no one believed him at first, that was one change.

that does seem very very short at under 2/1, irrelevant of who it is, in my lifetime I cant recall many times someone followed a score like 61 with anything even remotely close to it, more likely to shoot a absolute minimum 68 more likely 70.
which will be very good but give a few the chance to set up a fun final day.

Sergio's putting stats are amongst the best out there.

it is his stellar long game that normally lets him down.

a shot of the planet or an iron that goes swimming is much more likely than a number of missed 5 footers.

I dont think he will win, but 2s is a very fair price given his lead.

Chasing pack is decent though.

I know nothing compared to you guys, but this doesn't seem right to me...

Tiger and Jimmy are both on the same scores. One is 150, the other 550.

Is there bad weather expected, just noticed the early tee times?

cash out figures are after commission if memory serves me right.

of course you can also use cash out for a loss as well when you feel your bottle crashing (speaking from personal
experience)

It's not a bottle issue, aberdonia.  I just don't like losing days, it's a matter of principle.

Whatever happens on the golf, the winner is always the worst possible result for me. I give too much away.

Early tees today due to 'inclement weather'.......CBS coverage starts at 2pm and leaders will finish by then......pga has featured hole 9 am....hopefully follow one group too........golf channel from 12 am so may watch the final 4 to 6 holes.

Quincy....you can green up in-running for bigger sum if things goes your way.....i'm sure you will be fine.

they better be, not in the schedules yet but I imagine they'll be on nearer 2pm when the leaders tee off

I didn't know they showed any live golf. I thought it was just loads of messing about in the studio & loads of adverts!

On at 1-30pm they said last night.

Thanks frames!!!

Some juicy prices on the chasers if this doesn't end up in a three horse race.  Had a fairly big tonk on Fat Pat at 120.

And here's me thinking cashout is for mugs.

fact is in a liquid market, u could not manually beat it using betfair main site - but i have warned people before that it can fook u.