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the muppet moans
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Another essay!

Up until last year the Humana Challenge or Bob Hope Classic as it was known for years was a five round pro-am - last year it changed to a four rounder. Looking at the last six winners there were a lot of similarities but Mark Wilson was a change from the norm but that could easily be put down to the fact that he is a good early season player and also seems to do well when there are lots of delays and this event was hit badly by wind on the Saturday last year.

2012 Mark Wilson aged 38 4 wins current form 18th Hyundai m/c Sony, course form mc/61 DD 280 yards
2011 Jhonattan Vegas aged 26 Rookie current form m/c Sony, course from none DD 312 yards
2010 Bill Haas aged 27 Rookie current form m/c Sony course form 34/25 DD 298 yards
2009 Pat Perez aged 32 Rookie current form m/c Sony course from mc/6/mc/61 DD 294 yards
2008 DJ Trahan aged 27 1 tour win current form m/c Sony course form mc/mc 27 DD 295 yards
2007 Charley Hoffman aged 30 Rookie current form debut course from none DD 304 yards

Looking through things in common even Mark Wilson fitted the pattern that the last five missed the cut at the Sony - in a way it is understandable in that the courses are very different. Also Vegas came out with an interesting comment during the year when he won
Q. What did you do Sunday? Did you get another practice round in or just relax? Do you feel like you have a little bit of advantage to not have to do that 36 holes and fly over here?
JHONATTAN VEGAS: To be honest, I guess it was a little advantage from not playing on Sunday, I guess. Because I was able to get a flight Saturday night after I played, get here on Sunday, and play actually this course on Sunday. So I actually got to see all four courses, which I think is huge for a rookie.
Four golf courses, to try to play in three days is tough. And I was fortunate enough to take a look at every course and I think that's kind of what helped me play so well today.

This sort of makes sense - if a player makes the cut at the Sony the first time he would see any of the three courses in use would be the Tuesday and when it was a five round event play began on the Wednesday. I will take the risk that even though we are down to four rounds it is probably still better to arrive early.

Looking at the other stats then course form seems largely irrelevant with only Perez managing a top ten before, two players had never played before and there are a lot of missed cuts. But with four non winners winning and five of the last six aged between 26 and 32 that’s where we need to look. Although I am not a fan of using driving distance as a reason for backing a player all the winners bar Wilson hit the ball a long way and that makes sense on easier resort courses which are set up for amateurs. I have therefore concentrated my picks on young rookies, who can hit the ball a long way and who missed the cut in the Sony - I came up with three.
Graham DeLaet is a 30 year old big hitting Canadian who has numerous top five finishes on the main tour but is yet to win. He has won in Canada and South Africa since he turned pro and did manage a top twenty here on his one start back in 2010.
Martin Flores is aged 30 and whilst he isn’t the longest hitter his average is over 295 yards. He was tied 18th alongside DeLaet on his only start here back in 2010 but that belies the fact he opened 66/65/65 and was tied 2nd with two rounds to go but then faded - unsurprising as it was only his second tour start. Last year he managed to finish 8th in his second start of the season which came in California and in his missed cut last week he still managed to birdie all four par 5’s he played.
Luke List aged 28 was the longest driver on the Web.com tour last season. Although he has no course form he does have good Californian form from the lower tour - 12/mc/2/6/9/mc so he is obviously at home on the West Coast where he was born. He was 4th on the Web.com money list last season with a win and three 2nd placed finishes and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him inspired by Henleys exploits last week.

I will also go with one other player using a different angle although he fits the right age and drives the ball a long way - Scott Stallings. There seems to be a link between winners at Annandale and winners here at what was the Bob Hope. Bill Haas has won at both venues as has Chad Campbell whilst DJ Trahan has just the two PGA victories and they were at these two venues. Add in the fact that Trahan beat Durant in a playoff and he had also won the Bob Hope then I think it can't be a coincidence!
Stallings won his second tour event at Annandale last year - his second in just eighteen months so getting a three figure price seems quite generous.

Graham DeLaet 0.2 ew 150/1

Martin Flores 0.2 ew 200/1

Luke List 0.2 ew 300/1

Scott Stallings 0.3 ew 110/1
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Report adge January 20, 2013 7:21 PM GMT
gay -19
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
stallings 9ft for eagle
Report Dan Chipowski January 20, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
Stallings 9ft for eagle on 2 if you can trust Shottracker. Crazy
Report Ski-Wiz January 20, 2013 7:24 PM GMT

Jan 20, 2013 -- 7:22PM, Dan Chipowski wrote:


Stallings 9ft for eagle on 2 if you can trust Shottracker.


no way i am risking money trusting shottracker

Report DONEMYLOT January 20, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
40-under may be runner-up here
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
Castro double?
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
- 23
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
castro bogey
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
chappell -7 through 10
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
stallings 8ft for birdie on par 3
Report DONEMYLOT January 20, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
kooch eagle
Report djx1969. January 20, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
any good links anyone plz
Report djx1969. January 20, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
any good links anyone plz
Report DONEMYLOT January 20, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
yeah, how about

bittoofknglatekooch.com?
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 7:41 PM GMT
Grin
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:41 PM GMT
- 24
Report Merlin7 January 20, 2013 7:41 PM GMT
chappell -20
Report pokeron January 20, 2013 7:42 PM GMT
scoring looks tough today. thought they would continue the birdie fest nice pin positions for the final round but guess not. hence, stallings train.
Report dubai_master January 20, 2013 7:42 PM GMT
This is a joke....shot tracker can normally be a ropey tool...but its hard to keep check of anything at the moment!
Report DONEMYLOT January 20, 2013 7:43 PM GMT
Its tough when they are on the same course
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:44 PM GMT
chappell - 8 through 11
Report Ski-Wiz January 20, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
diabolical
Report DONEMYLOT January 20, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
Chappell going ballistic and still about 20th fav
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
lingmerth another birdie...now -20
Report pokeron January 20, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
great. i'm a hundred years behind. cmon telecast.....
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
now - 21 golfnut
Report dubai_master January 20, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
So top 5 ATM?

Stallings -24
Lingmerth, Chappell -20
Howell Gay -19?
Report lendmeurwheelbarrow January 20, 2013 7:53 PM GMT
just layed my stake off on gay having looked at leaderboard on pga tour. joke, should have known something was up
Report Dan Chipowski January 20, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
Stallings 2ft for birdie?
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
taking the p---i--ss stallings or what
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 7:56 PM GMT
gay has birdied 4 from first 6
Report adge January 20, 2013 7:56 PM GMT
stallings - 25
Report lendmeurwheelbarrow January 20, 2013 7:57 PM GMT
so i realise now adgE!
Report DONEMYLOT January 20, 2013 7:57 PM GMT
you can just keep laying Chuccky 3-sticks every time, just flamin useless really
Report Petrie Pants Down January 20, 2013 7:57 PM GMT
whats ur twitter moon? big fan of your work
Report pokeron January 20, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
leaderboard is back. i was getting totally wrong info lol. i swear these leaderbaord people are making money. just wouldn't mind knowing how much.
Report TINnotaTON January 20, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
just had a couple of bacon barms for tea, hoping scotty boy can bring  home some more bacon... keep it going son...
Report adge January 20, 2013 8:00 PM GMT
leaderboard now working . fun while it lasted
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 8:06 PM GMT
someone getting carried away and backing stalling at 1.14
Report dubai_master January 20, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
To be fair, if he birdies this par 5, its pretty much as good as done
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 8:24 PM GMT
thats not true dubai...to be fair
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
gay birdies stalling pars
3 in front now
Report sandsave January 20, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
gay steve palmers tip today @ 40/1 Plain
Report Clueless1 January 20, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
the worlds easiest course??
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
stallings bogey.  Surprised
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
surely not from 1ft 11 ffs
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
pga radio about 2 minutes ago.  back to 24 under.
Report BJG January 20, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
Missed from inside 2ft Shocked

Cmon Gay
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
first bogey for the week
and it is a 2ft putt Sad
Report TINnotaTON January 20, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
website now saying par !!!!
Report Dan Chipowski January 20, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
Comical. Implosion imminent.
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
definite bogey.
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
aberdonia     20 Jan 13 20:53 
pga radio about 2 minutes ago.  back to 24 under.


what link did you get to work ?
Report TINnotaTON January 20, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
now back to bogey, that website is fcuking garbage..
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 8:59 PM GMT
Im using my old laptop.

It is within my windows media player so there is no link that i can post (i dont think?).
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
missed again.
Report westfour4 January 20, 2013 9:05 PM GMT
Pop out for some milk and cigs,and its game on.
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
aberdonia   

i had it on both laptop and PC
none of them work
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 9:21 PM GMT
http://community.betfair.com/golf/go/thread/view/94086/29056889/?pg=last


see the above thread,  i just right now added the link in the thread to my window media player (it worked)

i now have 2 links.  Happy
Report aberdonia January 20, 2013 9:22 PM GMT
It is Donnys link that works.
Report golfnut January 20, 2013 9:33 PM GMT
BETFAIR...sort market out please...long way to go
Report spellingandgrammarchecker January 20, 2013 9:34 PM GMT
test
Report Gerbs January 20, 2013 10:01 PM GMT
aberdonia   

thanks
the problem was when i was copying link into windows media player it did not copy full link i think it is because it is split into 2 on the forum page

i put it all in manually and it is working now
Report BJG January 20, 2013 10:40 PM GMT
Stallings in d drink
Report pokeron January 20, 2013 10:45 PM GMT
stupid third round from hahn cost him and me...Sad
Report sandsave January 20, 2013 11:04 PM GMT
coverage awful tonite. how many breaks are they going to have? Cry
Report Only-the-Brave January 20, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
stallings driving all over the place - clearly feeling it.  Be surprised if he holds on here.
Report Merlin7 January 20, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
Lingmerth the man?
Report par January 20, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
I tell you one thing.  I think we have unearthed a lay in running for the future. R Castro, a truly abysmal effort from yer man.
Report jojo67 January 20, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
hope so merlin
Report BJG January 20, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
Stallings SPLASH Shocked deary me
Report doorman99 January 20, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
is this the maddest tourny ever?!
Report Only-the-Brave January 20, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
easy as you like.  no bottle whatsoever stallings.
Report Merlin7 January 20, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
He has been superb on the par 5 s
Report Howdi January 20, 2013 11:52 PM GMT
just as i laid off my lay ln him bollox
Report par January 20, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
you can only shake the head at these jokers
Report pokeron January 20, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
best tourney ever. well until the next one....
Report doorman99 January 20, 2013 11:57 PM GMT
jesus, please let Gay save this nighmare
Report fivebagken January 20, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
Does anyone know how the without Stallings market is settled in a playoff? Is it a three way dead heat or is it whoever gets furthest in the playoff?
Report Dan Chipowski January 21, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
Stallings only himself to blame, so many chances, and so many fk ups.

Missing that tiddler just completely threw him.
Report pokeron January 21, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
stallings. played like this guy:



Report Ski-Wiz January 21, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
God.....laid stalling greens at 1.42 just before the drift.......this is what i call 'the great escape'
Report par January 21, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
That was a choke of regal proportions.

One of the worst I have ever seen.
Report Gerbs January 21, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
that was  an impressive meltdown
Report Ski-Wiz January 21, 2013 12:04 AM GMT
Forget the choke........my heartPlainPlainPlain
Report toberaheena January 21, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
Bingo......pay me on the last 3 ball...thank you very much.
Report BJG January 21, 2013 12:07 AM GMT
Fairway plz now Gay
Report pokeron January 21, 2013 12:14 AM GMT
chucky will prob stiff it to three feet then miss the putt Cool
Report BJG January 21, 2013 12:17 AM GMT
SPLASH
Report sandsave January 21, 2013 12:36 AM GMT
Well done Steve Palmer not in his original picks but a 40/1 "Golfwise extra" winner! Happy
Report doorman99 January 21, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
Yes thank god and well done to Steve!
Report Golfvet January 21, 2013 12:41 AM GMT
Chucky and stallings can go in the dog category,my list is getting  very long
Report bristoldoug January 21, 2013 6:38 AM GMT
Good result for me - was very tempted to lay off when Gay had his birdie putt on 18 - glad i Did'nt now !! Can't believe Stallings choked considering he has won twice in as many years.
CH3 did'nt do much wrong but the pressure of trying to win after so long is obviously a major factor. Playing very well of late though and has to be considered in weeks to come.
Report donny osmond January 21, 2013 9:22 AM GMT
stallings missed a tiddler and it knocked him


comms said he plays faster than most and thats not why he hits bad shots cos he always plays like that

seems like he picked up some alignment issue (imo) from what went wrong ???
Report donny osmond January 21, 2013 9:22 AM GMT
stallings missed a tiddler and it knocked him


comms said he plays faster than most and thats not why he hits bad shots cos he always plays like that

seems like he picked up some alignment issue (imo) from what went wrong ???
Report the muppet moans January 21, 2013 9:46 AM GMT
I think it is too early to call Stallings a choker having won twice in the last 18 months, the couple of short missed putts inevitably put pressure on his long game which had been pretty good all week - personally think he will win again - when conditions suit
Report Tallywagger. January 21, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
If only some of these top players had the ability to price up every situation.

For example the second shot on a long par 5

If I hit it left a bogey =  4/6

If i hit it long and right a bogey = 7/2

If I lay up a bogey = 7/1

Now, I appreciate Stallings needed a birdie to win the tournament, but the abilty to play the percentage shot is massive in certain situations.

If only a few of us on here were on the bag over the closing holes to get them over the line Silly
Report donny osmond January 21, 2013 12:51 PM GMT
i think he was right to go for it on 18 , after that drive

he was 1.4 on here when going for it so must be 1.3ish to make 4 or better
Report toberaheena January 21, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
Turned out to be a good watch after all. Trying to follow a tournament over 3 courses. listening to boring Sky sports panel and all the ad breaks really takes some doing. But it was really nicee to see and listen to the great Gary Player. Did you hear him say he was beaten in 17 play offs or sudden death over his amazingly brilliant historical career.
Report pokeron January 21, 2013 11:54 PM GMT
he had to go for it. he had a six iron. u cant lay up on a par three in ANY situation.
but i get your point tallywagger. prob more relevant for a van de velde what you are saying.
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