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Another essay!

Up until last year the Humana Challenge or Bob Hope Classic as it was known for years was a five round pro-am - last year it changed to a four rounder. Looking at the last six winners there were a lot of similarities but Mark Wilson was a change from the norm but that could easily be put down to the fact that he is a good early season player and also seems to do well when there are lots of delays and this event was hit badly by wind on the Saturday last year.

2012 Mark Wilson aged 38 4 wins current form 18th Hyundai m/c Sony, course form mc/61 DD 280 yards
2011 Jhonattan Vegas aged 26 Rookie current form m/c Sony, course from none DD 312 yards
2010 Bill Haas aged 27 Rookie current form m/c Sony course form 34/25 DD 298 yards
2009 Pat Perez aged 32 Rookie current form m/c Sony course from mc/6/mc/61 DD 294 yards
2008 DJ Trahan aged 27 1 tour win current form m/c Sony course form mc/mc 27 DD 295 yards
2007 Charley Hoffman aged 30 Rookie current form debut course from none DD 304 yards

Looking through things in common even Mark Wilson fitted the pattern that the last five missed the cut at the Sony - in a way it is understandable in that the courses are very different. Also Vegas came out with an interesting comment during the year when he won
Q. What did you do Sunday? Did you get another practice round in or just relax? Do you feel like you have a little bit of advantage to not have to do that 36 holes and fly over here?
JHONATTAN VEGAS: To be honest, I guess it was a little advantage from not playing on Sunday, I guess. Because I was able to get a flight Saturday night after I played, get here on Sunday, and play actually this course on Sunday. So I actually got to see all four courses, which I think is huge for a rookie.
Four golf courses, to try to play in three days is tough. And I was fortunate enough to take a look at every course and I think that's kind of what helped me play so well today.

This sort of makes sense - if a player makes the cut at the Sony the first time he would see any of the three courses in use would be the Tuesday and when it was a five round event play began on the Wednesday. I will take the risk that even though we are down to four rounds it is probably still better to arrive early.

Looking at the other stats then course form seems largely irrelevant with only Perez managing a top ten before, two players had never played before and there are a lot of missed cuts. But with four non winners winning and five of the last six aged between 26 and 32 that’s where we need to look. Although I am not a fan of using driving distance as a reason for backing a player all the winners bar Wilson hit the ball a long way and that makes sense on easier resort courses which are set up for amateurs. I have therefore concentrated my picks on young rookies, who can hit the ball a long way and who missed the cut in the Sony - I came up with three.
Graham DeLaet is a 30 year old big hitting Canadian who has numerous top five finishes on the main tour but is yet to win. He has won in Canada and South Africa since he turned pro and did manage a top twenty here on his one start back in 2010.
Martin Flores is aged 30 and whilst he isn’t the longest hitter his average is over 295 yards. He was tied 18th alongside DeLaet on his only start here back in 2010 but that belies the fact he opened 66/65/65 and was tied 2nd with two rounds to go but then faded - unsurprising as it was only his second tour start. Last year he managed to finish 8th in his second start of the season which came in California and in his missed cut last week he still managed to birdie all four par 5’s he played.
Luke List aged 28 was the longest driver on the Web.com tour last season. Although he has no course form he does have good Californian form from the lower tour - 12/mc/2/6/9/mc so he is obviously at home on the West Coast where he was born. He was 4th on the Web.com money list last season with a win and three 2nd placed finishes and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him inspired by Henleys exploits last week.

I will also go with one other player using a different angle although he fits the right age and drives the ball a long way - Scott Stallings. There seems to be a link between winners at Annandale and winners here at what was the Bob Hope. Bill Haas has won at both venues as has Chad Campbell whilst DJ Trahan has just the two PGA victories and they were at these two venues. Add in the fact that Trahan beat Durant in a playoff and he had also won the Bob Hope then I think it can't be a coincidence!
Stallings won his second tour event at Annandale last year - his second in just eighteen months so getting a three figure price seems quite generous.

Graham DeLaet 0.2 ew 150/1

Martin Flores 0.2 ew 200/1

Luke List 0.2 ew 300/1

Scott Stallings 0.3 ew 110/1

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the muppet moans
When: 16 Jan 13 09:55
Details of the late golf bet posted on Twitter
Bobby Gates gets a late invite to the event and as he was on my original list I now have to include him on my list. The 27 year old hits the ball on average over 300 yards and missed the cut at last weeks Sony Open. He will be keen to make the most of his sponsors invite as his best finish last year was here when 8th. He clearly has an affinity with La Quinta as he was 3rd at the Q School in 2011 and regained his card when 22nd last month

Bobby Gates 0.1 ew 200/1 (175/1 OK)
By:
the muppet moans
When: 16 Jan 13 18:58
Blimey - anyone would think they are only playing In Abu Dhabi this week!
By:
Merlin7
When: 16 Jan 13 19:59
My best bet this week William McGirt Top 10 Finish 11/1.

2012 Humana T30
2011 Q/School T13
2011 Bob Hope MC
2010 Q/School T2

Knows these courses well and no reason why he shouldn't do well this week.
By:
Deplasterer
When: 16 Jan 13 20:25
Chris Kirk at 38's
Brandt Snedeker at 16's

Mt 2 against the field. GL peeps.Cool
By:
Deplasterer
When: 16 Jan 13 20:27
Kirk 48's that should be.Tongue Out
By:
lowfields69
When: 16 Jan 13 21:53
Interesting write up as ever, TMM. I've followed you with Stallings and got 150/1 EW on Betfair fixed odds - they're now doing EW and there's a few big prices available.

Also got early prices on Henley 50/1, Perez 55/1 and Walker 80/1
By:
the muppet moans
When: 16 Jan 13 21:58
Yeah - I had already put up Stallings b4 seeing the Betfair fixed odds prices - got List 300 and Flores 200 there though
By:
stonecold-
When: 16 Jan 13 22:18
backed 3

garrigus 30
de jonge 55
luke guthrie 200

good luck all
By:
miss anomaly
When: 16 Jan 13 22:21
Good luck TMM and Merlin.

It looks to be a wide open week with plenty of class players taking part. I've taken Phil at 20s and Ogilvy at 85s.
By:
doubling
When: 16 Jan 13 23:36
Good read as always. I,m with you on Deleat. Got him down as a big improver this year.
By:
pokeron
When: 16 Jan 13 23:41
i'm going for the hottest golfer on the planet at the moment to play hot golf on a golf course regardless of any history because there is only...NOW.
going for some zen 'less thinking is more thinking' theory.
hot golfers gonna hot golf.....

$50 @ 55      snedeker II (if that's too cryptic then it's russell henley Laugh)
By:
verbotene liebe
When: 17 Jan 13 01:49
Garrigus 30
Haas 42
Ross Fisher 95 ( change of direction and hopefully back to his best this year)
By:
bannahan
When: 17 Jan 13 04:15
Playing a few longuns this week.

Nothing more than throwing a few hopeful darts at players whose current price appeals.

JOHNSON WAGNER @ 200

SCOTT STALLINGS @ 140

KEN DUKE @ 210

BUD CAULEY @ 120

RYAN PALMER @ 136 (average)

CAMILLO VILLEGAS @ 150

Hoping the bigger guns are still sweating out their Christmas turkey and that the lesser lights have been honing their trade all through the holidays.

Enjoy.
By:
therhino
When: 17 Jan 13 06:09
Backed Noh at 100s, stake back at 70s. That will do, Australian Open and NFL playoffs more important this weekend. Go Baltimore!
By:
pokeron
When: 17 Jan 13 09:10
go baltimore indeed!
By:
therhino
When: 17 Jan 13 09:16
Care to relive this poke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxF0NKYZAA

Epic fist pump action in my lounge room when this went down Laugh
By:
pokeron
When: 17 Jan 13 09:22
that game was nuts. tied at EVERY break.

this is this weeek's luxbet offer:

"Back a team in the Head-to-Head market for the 49ers @ Falcons (NFL fixture 21 January 2013) and if your team scores 30 points, and goes on to win the game, we’ll match your stake with a Bonus Bet of up to $100 (Applicable to your first NFL Head-to-Head bet on this match only)."

prob leaning towards atlanta.
By:
therhino
When: 17 Jan 13 09:32
Don't bet the NFL trade it mate, massive swings with great liquidity. Takes a little while to play out as well so our disadvantage of ringing BF not as severe with this sport. You do love your free bets though...
By:
pokeron
When: 17 Jan 13 09:37
i shall back atlanta and lay it off on here to be all square before the game and hope they score 30 and win.
it's a no brainer. if your mate says to you, 'if any team scores 30 and they win, i'll give you $100' would you not take it? it costs nothing to get a potential free $100.

it's like a random stranger hands you a free lottery ticket for tonight's powerball. would you say, 'no thanks?'
no. you would take the ticket and says thanks for comingLaugh
By:
therhino
When: 17 Jan 13 09:44
gotta get myself a luxbet account
By:
pokeron
When: 17 Jan 13 09:52
if you are aussie it shouldnt be a problem to cash in on the offers.
i think overseas people not eligible.
By:
pokeron
When: 17 Jan 13 10:17
sorry rhino. south australia and vic are ineligible Cry
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 17 Jan 13 14:22
Anyone got any idea about the order of difficulty of the respective courses.
By:
ericthecat
When: 17 Jan 13 15:01
I think Laird, Vegas, Karlsson are very good value on a bombers course. also added Woodland, Immelmann, Davis, Fisher, Ishikawa, Love III, and a cover on lefty.
By:
three_for_it
When: 17 Jan 13 17:05
I don't really enjoy tournaments with stupidly low scoring and definitely don't enjoy tournamemts that involve amateurs either but i'll still be having a few bets on this.I coudn't be that definitive on who's gonna win this,so i'll plump for players at big prices.You have to pick 6 numbers in the lottery,so with this being the golfing equivalent i've gone for 6 players.

LAIRD - Win only@110s/Top five@22s

KARLSSON - Win only@200s/Top five@35s

MOLDER - Win only@280s/Top five@34s

BAE - Win only@200s/Top five@50s

LEONARD - Win only@620s/Top five@60s

STREELMAN - Win only@240s/Top five@28s
By:
Colldogg
When: 17 Jan 13 23:34
I'm on Russel Henley and Harris English at 44 and 46 respectively. Getting a decent run for my money. Think I'm going to get a decent run for my money this weekend. Henley looks superb and a great star for the future. I'm just a bit worried that tomorrow his adrenaline will have worn off and he surely can't keep this type of scoring up! Everything he seems to putt at the minute is finding the hole.

English needs to shoot low tomorrow to get himself in contention and I still think he's worth a punt at 50 that is available on betfair now.
By:
pokeron
When: 18 Jan 13 07:18


moral of the story. if u win u get the beatches Laugh
By:
Fait le jojo
When: 18 Jan 13 10:31
Stupid question

I backed Clark in the two ball yday against Appleby and I think I have lost, but clark is still alot lower odds outright than Appleby, why?
By:
therhino
When: 18 Jan 13 11:02
You have lost, and Clark is lower because he is a good player in good form, Appleby is neither - he used to be a good player but sadly no longer.
By:
Merlin7
When: 18 Jan 13 13:16
T17 Kevin Stadler (-6) 80
T48 Kevin Chappell (-4) 200+

La Quinta plays about 2 shots more than the other two courses and they played that course yesterday.
By:
wilco
When: 18 Jan 13 13:48
Anyone know what the sequence of course rotation is ?
By:
Merlin7
When: 18 Jan 13 14:09
LQ-NP-PP
NP-PP-LQ
PP-LQ-NP
By:
wilco
When: 18 Jan 13 14:38
Thanks Merlin
By:
wilco
When: 18 Jan 13 14:38
Thanks Merlin
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 18 Jan 13 17:12
Come on Laird.......a run of birdies please   -1 so far
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 18 Jan 13 17:22
-2....keep it up
By:
noland2_
When: 18 Jan 13 20:07
Go on the Stad-Man Grin
By:
wowiezowiee
When: 18 Jan 13 21:12
more interesting of they played this on the XBOX!
By:
wowiezowiee
When: 18 Jan 13 21:13
IF EVEN
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