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By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 24 Jun 20 15:27
@wolf3011

Where is your evidence to support your statement that " most of the home advantage" is gone? 
Since when have all stadiums beinf full factor into the home advantage? 
Does a half empty stadium only have the home advantage? 
Is there no home advantage in the lower divisions of the football league where the crowds are small?

In the premier league there have so far been 14 matches, 5H/5D/4A results.  Looking at the historical odds from football-data.co.uk, the home team were favourite 5 times and the away team were favourite 9 times.  Not a huge leaning towards most of the home team advantage is gone using this simple comparison.

Using the Bundesliga figures there have been 73 matches, 20H,19D,34A results.  Again, looking at the historical odds from football-data.co.uk, the home team were favourite 43 times and the away team were favourite 30 times.  Comparing the actual 20H wins to the predicted 43H wins could show that there may be something in the theory that home team advantage may be reduced in post lockdown empty stadiums, but saying this is because of empty stadiums ignores any other factors that affect home advantage, such as travel, familiarity with the surroundings etc. and that traditionally most teams play in a different style home and away.  There has been such a small sample rate that logical conclusions can't really be extrapolated yet, opinions can be had, but not with any real cold hard facts yet.

There is also a theory that matches played at the end of a season can throw up spurious results due to the importance of a fixture in relation to league position for one or both of the sides. 

Do we know if the betting companies have factored in empty stadiums into their prices or punters on here who make the odds move?

I'm open to critique on here, but if you are going to do it, back it up with some facts/logic and don't just spew out 'laughable' and 'illogical' without following it up with your reasoning.

As for the 'credible' thing.  i'm not trying to sell a system or prove that i'm smarter than anyone else, i post on here to keep myself honest.  it is too easy to come up with a system and run it and when its not going right justify to yourself that you shouldn't have made that pick for reason 'x', 'y' or 'z'.  On here, it is black and white and open to people to comment/critique.   Believe me, don't believe me, when i post the results or have a check and see if the p/l is credible, i'm really not fussed.

when i first started on here in '04, 14 years before you, people would post their ideas/systems etc. and you would only find the odd arse who couldn't come up with an original idea if they tried trolling posts.  unfortunately, that is more common now leading to fewer people putting their head above the parapet.

try not to be one of those arse's and post constructive criticism, or alternatively don't read this thread.
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 24 Jun 20 16:43
should read

Does a half empty stadium only have half the home advantage?
By:
wolf3011
When: 24 Jun 20 17:59
I'm not trying to troll anything tommy, no issues from me someone posting their match picks as many have done it and all failed to make continual profit.

The crowd are what contributes most to any home advantage, influencing big decisions, creating an intimidating atmosphere etc.. I'm not sure what else would other than a lucky peg in the changing room to hang a shirt on. The number of matches you have picked is far too small to analyse what the home advantage is and as far as have the bookies factored in the empty stadiums in deciding odds, I have no idea actually, but if you compare this seasons current odds to last seasons with teams doing similarly well you will probably find clues. It's no coincidence that the bigger the crowd the more likely home advantage is likely to be a factor but then you could also argue bigger crowds mean bigger budgets ie better players.

I certainly would be very wary of comparing old home/away records to determine what bets you place in these current times of empty stadia
By:
Escapee
When: 24 Jun 20 21:50
Keep going TickTock.

I got the impression from your previous post of a graphic that you've got a systematic approach,
And not some half baked pin sticking selection process.

I hope it continues as well as it seems to have started.



There's nuggets of gold that can be mined from data and then just downloaded from the internet.
By:
politicspunter
When: 24 Jun 20 22:23
I also think it is worth persevering with this. I admire the honesty of TickTock.
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 24 Jun 20 22:51
Weds
Lay
Aston V  +0.95
Everton  -0.95

Osasuna  -3.2
Atalanta -1.18

1/4   -4.38pts

20/27  74.1%   3.5pts
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 24 Jun 20 22:53
Thurs
Lay
Watford
Southampton
Man City

Espanyol
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 24 Jun 20 23:30
@Escapee

thanks for the kiss of death....  ;-) 
after tonight, pin sticking looks good.
for Burnley at home to teams rated similar to Watford, have only lost 5/26. 
Watford away to similar rated teams to Burnley have  won 12/36.

By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 24 Jun 20 23:52
@politicspunter

thanks, we'll see how it goes from here after a bit of a reversal.
By:
Escapee
When: 25 Jun 20 16:14
TickTock... sorry about the bok there Sad


I don't really bet on football, but I did try a system which looked quite promising and as you're
looking at the premiership everyday is probably far more suited to you than it was me.

The basic premise is that as far as I know there have been zero instances of a team drawing 7 consecutive times in the premiership (or it's predecessors) and thus I would start laying the
draw of any team after it had 2 consecutive draws, with a stake set to martingale up to 7 consecutive draws. (This requires more than doubling as draw odds are often 3 to 7 or worse)

So you need to have a bank and potential bet size that you will get matched on the 4th bet in a sequence. (i.e. the 7th consecutive draw )


I ran it manually a few seasons back and failed to take into account all the foreign holidays I took, so I would get myself into a position where I couldn't actually place the 2nd or 3rd bet
which would have invariably won.

As you are looking at the premiership so much, I thought you might want to look into it.

Make sure you understand the bank size required, and that the actual proposition is that no premiership team will draw 7 consecutive times.
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 25 Jun 20 23:30
Thurs
Lay
Watford     +0.95
Southampton +0.95
Man City    +0.95

Espanyol    +0.95

4/4   +3.8pts

24/31   77.4%   +7.3pts
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 25 Jun 20 23:44
Fri

no bets
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 26 Jun 20 15:28
@escapee

i would be wary of any bets on sequences that are unlikely to happen.   when man city went 18 matches consecutive wins, people thought that wouldn't be broken for a long time, yet liverpool nearly broke it this season. 
i believe the result of the previous match has little bearing on the next result.  the teams could be of a totally different standard, its too short to form an opinion using form and various runs of results just happen.

thanks for the comments though.
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 26 Jun 20 22:58
Sat
Lay
Mallorca  (0.5pt)
Leganes
Alaves   (0.5pt)

Wolves

Hoffenheim
Fort Dusseldorf
Wolfsburg

Genoa
Cagliari

Back
Lazio
By:
wolf3011
When: 27 Jun 20 18:06

Jun 25, 2020 -- 4:14PM, Escapee wrote:


TickTock... sorry about the bok there I don't really bet on football, but I did try a system which looked quite promising and as you're looking at the premiership everyday is probably far more suited to you than it was me.The basic premise is that as far as I know there have been zero instances of a team drawing 7 consecutive times in the premiership (or it's predecessors) and thus I would start laying the draw of any team after it had 2 consecutive draws, with a stake set to martingale up to 7 consecutive draws. (This requires more than doubling as draw odds are often 3 to 7 or worse)So you need to have a bank and potential bet size that you will get matched on the 4th bet in a sequence. (i.e. the 7th consecutive draw )I ran it manually a few seasons back and failed to take into account all the foreign holidays I took, so I would get myself into a position where I couldn't actually place the 2nd or 3rd betwhich would have invariably won.As you are looking at the premiership so much, I thought you might want to look into it.Make sure you understand the bank size required, and that the actual proposition is that no premiership team will draw 7 consecutive times.


The fact you're talking about using martingale illustrates you should steer clear of betting. The same applies to teams that have had consecutive draws believing it means there is less of a chance of a third draw on the bounce- it's a rookie mistake like people thinking 10 blacks on a roulette wheel consecutively mean there is less chance of the 11th spin being a black.

By:
wolf3011
When: 27 Jun 20 18:44
Infact the opposite in football is the case and a team that has had 2 consecutive draws means there is a greater chance of a third draw if anything not a lesser chance. Given a draw is often around 3-1, the odds on 7 consecutive draws is over 16000-1. If you were betting a tiny lay bet of £10 after the supposed "system" lol kicks in of 2 draws, 3 more draws would lose you £600 to win you a poxy tenner, 4 more would net a loss of £2440 to win a tenner and if you followed your master plan of laying to 7 draws, your 7th bet would involve risking over 7 grand. All this is with the draw odds below 3-1 when it if often much higher.

If you were lay betting draw odds of 7-1 when in your own words they can start at , 2 more draws would net you a £700 loss with a pitiful £10 lay , 3 draws = £5670 and 4 more draws would cost you £45,430 to win ten pounds. All the best with it Grin
By:
wolf3011
When: 27 Jun 20 18:54
BTW Norwich , Man city and southampton have all drawn 7 consecutive games in the premier league era so if you had used your system, the losses would probably mean you were living in a tent somewhere having sold everything you own
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 27 Jun 20 23:29
Sat
Lay
Mallorca  (0.5pt)   +0.48
Leganes             +0.95
Alaves   (0.5pt)    +0.48

Wolves              -0.83

Hoffenheim          -3.3
Fort Dusseldorf     +0.95
Wolfsburg           +0.95

Genoa               +0.95
Cagliari            -1.54

Back
Lazio               +0.71

7/10    -0.2pts

31/41   75.6%   +7.1pts
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 28 Jun 20 00:33
Sun
Lay
Verona
Bologna
AC Milan

Betis

Back
Inter
By:
Escapee
When: 28 Jun 20 11:44
Thankyou Wolf

Can you tell me the seasons which Norwich , Man city and southampton have all drawn 7 consecutive games in the premier league ?

I was led to believe this had not happened.... ever
By:
Escapee
When: 28 Jun 20 12:04
Oooops Thankyou for pointing that out Wolf.... my bad researchSad

Most consecutive draws in a season: 7, joint record:
Norwich City (1993–94)
Southampton (1994–95)
Manchester City (2009–10)
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 28 Jun 20 22:52
Sun
Lay
Verona     +0.95
Bologna    -2.25
AC Milan   -1.92

Betis      +0.95

Back
Inter      +0.61

3/5  -1.66pts

34/46   73.9%  5.44pts
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 28 Jun 20 23:00
Mon
Lay
Burnley
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 29 Jun 20 22:47
Mon
Lay
Burnley  -2.75

0/1 -2.75pts

34/47  72.3%  2.69pts
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 30 Jun 20 10:50
Tues
Lay
Celta Vigo
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 01 Jul 20 00:48
Tues
Lay
Celta Vigo  +0.95

35/48  72.9%   3.64pts
By:
ticktocktimmy
When: 01 Jul 20 14:31
Not posting any more selections now because....

This thread (thread) is coming like a ghost thread
All the posts have been closed down
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Members won't post no more
Too much fighting on the thread floor

Do you remember the good old days on the forum?
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This thread (thread) is coming like a ghost thread
Why must the forum fight against themselves?
Betfair leaving the members on the shelf
This thread (thread) is coming like a ghost thread
No fun to be found in this forum
Can't go on no more
The people getting angry

This thread is coming like a ghost thread
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Apologies to The Specials....
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 04 Jul 20 18:26
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