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Are there any attendee forumites who could comment?
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I took the plunge and atteded the conference. It was an enjoyable weekend and very interesting, especially for those who take their betting seriously, or like me are wanting to take their betting seriously.
I think where this conference differed from other such events, is that it was not organised to sell you a product/software etc like others seem to be. The introduction to data modelling with R by Dr Alun Owen was excellent and R is a free product! This guy really knows his stuff. Other topics complemented the modelling and data analysis well, such as problems with data analysis and possible solutions, validation etc. All the presenters seemed very knowledgeable. There were a few little niggles with timing etc, but this was their first conference to be fair, and the presenters were approachable during the lunch break and on the saturday night social get together. They even welcomed continued contact via email as well. I'd say it was a success and will be at least an annual event. I'm hoping so. |
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If anyone has any questions then feel free, don't forget one of the speakers was Simon Rowlands head of R&D at Timeform and Betfair blogger and one would assume he is unlikely to get involved unless the organisers are serious about their stated intent, which is quite simply to improve peoples betting strategies and thinking.
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What's with the 'we' Olias?
On the 5th of April when you joined you were pretending to just be a punter exited that someone was putting on a betting conference OliasOfSunhillow When: 05 Apr 12 18:27 | Topic/replies: 14 | Blogger: OliasOfSunhillow's blog Just what I have been looking for. Had a chat with the organisers and the presenters are some top people in the world of successful betting. Was it so good that you quit your job and started working for them? |
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Who is Mancabilly?
Another alias of OliasofSunhillow. 1.10 The other person Olias refers to when he says "we". 10.0 Somone not at all involved with the organiser(s). 1000 |
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Considering Mancabilly has only ever posted twice, once about a smartsig competition and the other all excited about them putting on the course I'll take sonme of that 1.10 please
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" their stated intent, which is quite simply to improve peoples betting strategies and thinking. "
ooh. free courses. sounds good |
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can someone ping me when the clarification statement appears
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I'll take sonme of that 1.10 please
Hehe, ok, I was just thinking that 1.10 maybe was too low and 10 too generous:) The 1000 is so low only because it's the max on this site. (If you haven't noticed already Mancabilly started the thread where Olias later pretended to be an excited punter.) |
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You can't reuse aliases like that. 1/10 for effort
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just had a look at the website.
presumably i don't need to register my interest, as because it's free, i can just turn up on the day. i suggest everyone else interested does the same. |
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It was a great success. Before I went to the conference I was just a humble punter, doing my best against the sharks. The systems they showed me have now turned me into Jaws. Whilst this has improved my punting no end to be a big shark, I am worried why I now seem to have all metal teeth.
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Yes, I had success too, was good to meet Mancabilly, ballabriggs and Oliasofsunhillow. A good time was had by all, thank you for buying the champagne afterwards in Spearmint Rhino Mancabilly and ballabriggs.
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In the words of Ian Hunter:
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HAHAHAHAHA. Ghetto Joe sniffed out the bull shiit in about 2 seconds. Makes you wonder about the quality of the great betting conference. If the promoters take the BF formulites as a bunch of mugs, one can only wonder what they feel about the conference attendees.
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>"We will be repeating the conference on September 8th and 9th"
Olias, I am interested in attending but please can you explain what has changed (improved?) to justify the doubling of price from £99 to £199? |
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The first run was really a pilot hence the ridiculous price of £99. Essentially we wanted it to be a bargain in case we had any unforseen teething problems. As it happened things went smoothly. The current price is more realistic for a two day conference. If you check out conference prices you will see that £199 is still ridiculous for two days. I went on a trading seminar the other day and for one day it was £150 and I have to say the calibre of presenters were not as high as this conference. Dr Alun Owen for example has just finished his PHd in football data modelling from a betting perspective and is member of the sports data modelling group within the Royal Statistical Society.
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Thanks Olias, that sounds fair enough. I am only interested in the "Money Management" section and was just trying to decide whether still worth it for just that one topic (would be good to meet some of the competition too ;) ).
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There may be slight changes but nothing major. For example Simon is considering covering pace analysis which would be timely with the possible introduction of sectionals at AW tracks and the fact that he is an advisor on this venture and very knowledgable on American style pace analysis. There is also chat about switching the automatic bet placement section from a visual basic express platform to R so that we are discussing an all in one bet analysis and bet placement platform. But dont get the impression that you have to be a techno wizard to attend, you dont. There is plenty for those that are and for those that are not.
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By the way Getafix be prepared to be labeled as some sort of buddy or side kick of mine any minute now :)
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Lol, tbf you didn't really help yourself with the previous thread you created with the dodgy marketing. I am sure it would have sold itself without the need for that... the content for the conference looks pretty good. Pushing that aside...
Pace analysis would certainly be of interest to me. I started downloading the data from Turftrax a long time ago wrt sectionals etc shame there wasn't enough interest as it was eventually abandoned (before I had time to amass enough decent sectional data to safely start analysing) - assume they couldn't afford/pass on the costs? Out of interest do you have any links/additional info with regards to this AW sectional timings proposal e.g what technology being used, who is taking on this venture etc? |
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I'm conflicted here now... the content does look good, but the unaddressed schizophrenia has put me off.
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Accept my apologies Livermore
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not necessary to apologise - I just wonder what's really going on. Is it that you first thought you would present it as something you found (so that you would appear independent), but that you then just gave up on that approach?
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A clumsy attempt to keep the thread alive but don't let this put you off. The seminars are first class and as you suggest you wont get this content at the proverbial Cheltenham preview night
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wait a minute, these courses cost money?
how can that be right? |
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If you see it as a cost rather than an investment then we probably cannot help
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but your stated intent is quite simply to improve peoples betting strategies and thinking.
surely, with such altruistic ambitions, there should be no cost involved at all. |
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If it was free then by definition it would be worthless
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IF I FIND AWAY OF MAKEING MONEY FROM GAMBLING IM SHOWING NOBODY IT ,IM SURE IF THEY COULD MAKE MONEY FROM GAMBLING THEY WOULDNT SHOW YOU EITHER
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I WOULD JUST KEEP INCREASING MY STAKES UNTILL I HAVE SEVERAL PENTHOUSES,A COUPLE OF BOATS AND AEROPLANES AND HELEECOPTERS AND A ROCKET AND AN ISLAND OR TWO,IM NOT HOLDING ANY SEMINARS
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THE SAME PEOPLE THAT GO TO THESE SEMINARS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT PAY FOR BOTTLED WATER
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OliasOfSunhillow 25 May 12 12:54
If it was free then by definition it would be worthless and if it were valuable then you wouldn't part with it. i wonder how much time you spend during your conference discussing liquidity limitations. |
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Give 'em a break DStyle.
Apart from the unfortunate spamminess of the few opening posts, it doesn't seem to be all that bad. Let's face it, it's not a conference claiming to show you how to win, but only how to improve your data analysis techniques,money mgt skills , and other general betting matters. In that sense, you could argue that the more the general punting public becomes aware and skillful in these areas, the more in fact general liquidity might potentially increase across all available markets. After all, even if we all become skilled in these areas, we're not all then going to be betting in the same direction at the same time. It will still boil down to personal preferences and perceptions. And to pre-empt, I don't know these people from Adam, nor do I intend to attend any of their conferences. But I don't see the reason to kneecap them, if they are in fact providing some sort of reasonably goo, ethical product. And I certainly see no problems in their charging ( and making a profit) to cover the costs of recruiting outside experts, as they would seem to be doing. That just good old plain sense and good old capitalism. Or is that out of style in the modern UK ? |
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Btw it's been a while since I dusted off my high horse.
Feels good to be back in the saddle. This forum hsas got awfully tepid recently. |
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there's nothing wrong with a cheaply priced conference which aims to educate people, and there's nothing wrong with the organisers and lecturers being paid for their efforts.
i have a problem with the methods being used to drum up interest and that the pricing in nowhere to be seen on the website. there's a whiff of spiced ham about them which doesn't fit with a reputable outfit which apparently sold out very quickly |
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OliasOfSunhillow • May 25, 2012 11:15 AM BST
A clumsy attempt to keep the thread alive but don't let this put you off. The seminars are first class and as you suggest you wont get this content at the proverbial Cheltenham preview night Olias, pretty tacky. |
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The price is on the web page towards the top. Thanks for those words frog hair, I have read your postings on other threads and would expect you to understand the content.
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The price is on the web page towards the top. Thanks for those words frog hair, I have read your postings on other threads and would expect you to understand the content.
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