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By:
frimpong
When: 21 Dec 11 23:33
the difference is i'm honest like you

hope this helps
By:
Cooee
When: 21 Dec 11 23:56
What exactly was so 'think' (I assume you mean 'thick', but 'think' seems a bit of a Freudian slip) about Coolhand's post, Frim?    The point he was making was that we should be trying to make good bets. Sometimes those good bets will still lose.  As long as we were happy that we placed good bets, and that we were just unlucky that particular day, we shouldn't be displeased about having lost - just keep making the good bets, and we'll soon start making money again.

The worst thing to do is to place large but stupid bets and to pat yourself on the back when they go right. Because if they're bad bets, it's only a matter of time before they'll start going wrong, with disastrous consequences for our bank balance.
By:
frimpong
When: 22 Dec 11 00:09
no i understand completely Bobbin. just with Coolhand being such a tool i used it as a ruse to abuse him

he deserves it as he's a spineless git
By:
Cooee
When: 22 Dec 11 00:23
So you deliberately got the wrong end of the stick so that you could make Coolhand look like a tool...

Right.   Clever strategy!
By:
frimpong
When: 22 Dec 11 00:24
if people are nice to me, i'm nice to them Bobbin. i never start any nastiness. Coolhand (the spineless git) started so just giving a bit more back to the idiot

looking forward to Christmas LB?
By:
Trevh
When: 22 Dec 11 00:47
Coolhand : Can you have a day in profit where you make bad bets?
and can you have a day when you lose and make good bets?


This is key. But to understand it you need to be able to measure your edge, and from what I've read on the forum many people seem to think that 'edge' is subjective and cannot be measured until after many events.

This isn't true, although obviously the edge can be confirmed after many events, but I know when placing a bet what my % edge is.

So to elaborate on what Coolhand says, you could back heads at 2.2 for 20 bets in a row and lose every one of them, and that would have been a good days betting, in fact a fantastic days betting. On the flip side, the punter that laid heads at 2.2 for 20 bets in a row finished up with a very tidy profit for the day, but dear oh dear that was a bad days betting and he won't be around for long.

Just thought I'd comment on this point (not aimed at you Undern or anyone else) because so many punters fail to grasp it, even though they claim to understand value.
By:
frimpong
When: 22 Dec 11 00:54
i wouldn't talk to Coolhand Trev mate. he's a nasty git, and a spineless bully to boot.
By:
frimpong
When: 22 Dec 11 00:55
Trev - easier to judge what odds a coin flip should and shouldn't be.

hard to judge sporting events. this is the key surely?
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 22 Dec 11 01:21
Glad to hear you confirm that still "working" on refining bets UD.....

Took me over a 2 yearperiod to analyse my horse racing system ratings results......and still could do more "work" on such analysis Tongue Out.

However, the main reason for such a time period to elapse was down to me being too focused on HIGH ODDS winners.......and not really targetting SHORT ODDS end of market.

As it happens....the time was not wasted on the intial checks carried out. Have a  STRATEGY indicating 17% ROI on BACKING such HIGH ODDS ones...........though I will probably just target SHORT ODDS ones applying STRATEGIES that produce about 15% on BACKING in WIN market  and 15% on LAYING in PLACE market......Liquidity being better at SHORT ODDS end.

May take me til MARCH 2012 to be in a position to us my system and apply strategies.........Personal circumstances not condusive to me doing so til then........However, I'm used to being patient and another 3/4 months is nothing considering how long it has taken to reach the point at today.

Gl with bets.
By:
Trevh
When: 22 Dec 11 02:02
Yes it's more difficult to evaluate sporting events than a coin flip fp, but it is possible. The point though was to show that many punters appear to judge their betting by the result of the event rather than the price that they achieved, and that price will determine whether or not they are successful long term regardless of the result of the event.
By:
acornel
When: 22 Dec 11 10:06
DFC, your system looks like Morgan le Fay Whoops
By:
coolhand
When: 23 Dec 11 02:30
Undern,
I didnt mean to cause offence, i shouldnt have worded it like i did and should have left it more open rather than directed at you, it was a point i thought worth raising on an open forum, sorry.

Trevh and Cooee,
Thank you both for elaborating my point, perhaps i should have done so rather than questioning undern.

frimpong,
A pleasure as always.

Merry xmas and good luck everyone.
By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 26 Dec 11 16:48
please
update
soon
undern
By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 28 Dec 11 13:09
6
days
and
no
undern
Shocked
Sad
By:
AyersRock
When: 28 Dec 11 13:46
why
do
you
type
this
way
?
By:
AyersRock
When: 28 Dec 11 14:04
Yes it is a public forum where people can post on (within reason) anything they wish therefore feel free to continue while I take this challenge privately .....

but will continue on my merry way in private ... and use the money I (hopefully) will make in a worthwhile way.

good luck to all you experts out there.



So he's left this thread and taken his challenge offline

Probably because he doesn't appreciate being patronised.

Constructive input is one thing - but sometimes you need to type it in away in which it doesn't come across as you know best and your word is straight from the betting bible - it's your opinion, your truth but not necessarily 'the truth'.
By:
frimpong
When: 28 Dec 11 15:24
he is a sensitive soul
By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 28 Dec 11 15:26
d
o
h
By:
Cooee
When: 28 Dec 11 18:19
OP, could you update this thread please?
By:
inono
When: 28 Dec 11 21:00
The OP has issues, I openly admit his arrogance has given me many a laughLaugh
By:
frimpong
When: 28 Dec 11 23:20
yep very arrogant i agree inono
By:
TheManIsAGent
When: 29 Dec 11 00:58
Back in the New Year with a new set of toys and a new pram imo
By:
Cooee
When: 29 Dec 11 01:03
When the cat's away, the mice will play.  Now be careful you lot, or nasty big Undern will be back to pounce and turn you all into a tasty cheese sandwich.

Speaking of which, OP, can you update your challenge please?   It's amazing how many of these threads simply disappear...
By:
Cooee
When: 29 Dec 11 01:04
(Squeak Squeak!)
By:
undern
When: 29 Dec 11 13:12
Back in the New Year with a new set of toys and a new pram imo .... Confused what are you on about.

I have been on Betfair continuing with my challenge each and every day. I even played (and won) on the live Roulette with a smiling croupier looking at me as if she wants me ... Laugh.

Before you experts provide 'feedback' about how you can't win in the Casino .... I hold my hand up and honestly tell you I have no clue whatsoever about casino games ... Cool

As I mentioned earlier have taken my challenge off this thread and simply continuing with it privately. Will post up some figures if and and when I want to.

No where is Redbull's challenge thread, Paulme's or even Inono's three laughable challenges threads ....  Laugh
By:
frimpong
When: 29 Dec 11 13:30
mine went bust. Redbull left betfair....
By:
TheManIsAGent
When: 29 Dec 11 13:47
undern     29 Dec 11 13:12 
Back in the New Year with a new set of toys and a new pram imo ....  what are you on about.


If you can't grasp this - then I give up! I am going home and I am taking my ball with me.
By:
AyersRock
When: 29 Dec 11 14:17
TheManIsNotAGent
By:
TheManIsAGent
When: 29 Dec 11 14:23
^ That is the final straw. I am not playing any more.
By:
TheManIsAGent
When: 29 Dec 11 14:24
^ That is the final straw. I am not playing any more.
By:
frimpong
When: 29 Dec 11 14:25
good to see you Gent. hope you had a good xmas. glad to see you havn't been banned
By:
undern
When: 29 Dec 11 14:26
Okay ... Wink
By:
TheManIsAGent
When: 29 Dec 11 14:28
Hi Paul - all good here thanks. Hope you had a fine one too. All the best for the New Year.
By:
frimpong
When: 29 Dec 11 14:28
thanks mate
By:
undern
When: 31 Dec 11 17:24
Thought I'd update the thread before the New Year. Bit hard going for a number of days but also have had some very good days. It does amaze me how things can feel so easy to make on some days and lets just say hard work on other days. ...

... and if anyone watches the Anyone Fancy a Lay thead I posted a very nice and quick 4/4 horse lays earlier today. Biggest loss was over £400 bet yesterday on a greyhound race. Somewhat too cocky with a system selection and naturally it came back to bite me. Won a bit in the casino which doesn't show in the p&l.

Will keep plugging away (privately) but will look to update the thread perhaps monthly.

Happy New Year !!

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By:
undern
When: 31 Dec 11 17:26
American Football: £53.07 | Basketball: £7.88 | Darts: -£77.94 | Greyhound Racing: -£108.58 | Horse Racing: £998.72 | Soccer: £753.31 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  £1,626.46 (UK) from 20th Dec till now

Greyhound Racing: £543.34 | Horse Racing: -£718.14 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  -£174.80 (aussie) from 20th Dec till now.
By:
undern
When: 31 Dec 11 17:31
Today has been as follows ....


Horse Racing: £48.35 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  £48.35 (aussie)

Horse Racing Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Toow (AUS) 31st Dec : R7 1200m Mdn 31-Dec-11 10:23  31-Dec-11 10:26  48.35
By:
undern
When: 31 Dec 11 17:32
Greyhound Racing: £200.89 | Horse Racing: £190.13 | Soccer: £55.77 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  £446.79

Soccer Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Man Utd v Blackburn : Match Odds 31-Dec-11 12:45  31-Dec-11 14:40  55.77

Horse Racing Showing 1 - 6 of 6 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Tram 31st Dec : 2m INHF 31-Dec-11 15:55  31-Dec-11 16:03  72.52
Horse Racing / Newb 31st Dec : 2m Hcap Hrd 31-Dec-11 15:40  31-Dec-11 15:48  51.33
Horse Racing / Punch 31st Dec : 2m2f INHF 31-Dec-11 15:40  31-Dec-11 15:47  24.86
Horse Racing / Uttox 31st Dec : 2m NHF 31-Dec-11 15:30  31-Dec-11 15:34  48.35
Horse Racing / Newb 31st Dec : 2m5f Nov Hrd 31-Dec-11 15:05  31-Dec-11 15:12  -35.00
Horse Racing / Warw 31st Dec : 3m Hcap Chs 31-Dec-11 14:20  31-Dec-11 14:28  28.07

Greyhound Racing Showing 1 - 15 of 15 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Poole 31st Dec : A4 450m 31-Dec-11 16:42  31-Dec-11 16:44  29.01
Greyhound Racing / Newc 31st Dec : A4 480m 31-Dec-11 14:42  31-Dec-11 14:44  29.01
Greyhound Racing / Newc 31st Dec : A7 480m 31-Dec-11 14:04  31-Dec-11 14:05  15.13
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A8 400m 31-Dec-11 13:49  31-Dec-11 13:51  29.01
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A2 400m 31-Dec-11 11:58  31-Dec-11 12:00  17.41
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 31st Dec : A5 380m 31-Dec-11 11:51  31-Dec-11 11:55  29.01
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 31st Dec : A4 380m 31-Dec-11 11:37  31-Dec-11 11:41  24.17
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A8 400m 31-Dec-11 11:31  31-Dec-11 11:33  67.69
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 31st Dec : A8 380m 31-Dec-11 11:23  31-Dec-11 11:25  145.05
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A7 400m 31-Dec-11 11:16  31-Dec-11 11:18  -227.28
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A6 400m 31-Dec-11 11:00  31-Dec-11 11:04  38.68
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 31st Dec : S8 540m 31-Dec-11 10:53  31-Dec-11 10:56  48.35
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A5 400m 31-Dec-11 10:46  31-Dec-11 10:48  -113.13
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 31st Dec : A4 380m 31-Dec-11 10:38  31-Dec-11 10:41  24.17
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 31st Dec : A4 400m 31-Dec-11 10:31  31-Dec-11 10:33  44.61

Trying to play less and in shorter spurts while letting the BOT get on with things ...
By:
roadrunner46
When: 31 Dec 11 23:42
why dont you find a good tipster.
with staking plan you cant lose.
maybe you could actually get to 100k.
what you got to lose?
By:
undern
When: 01 Jan 12 00:36
If I find a good tipster for you to follow roadrunner46 I will let you know Whoops ....

...... meanwhile I am still waiting for you to finish that one month thread you started on the comps section which you stopped after a day or so before vanishing for six months ....
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