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19 Sep 11
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I'm really thinking about giving up the search a method to make money on here believe me i have tried loads of ideas and none seem to work i rarely bet as i have just been searching for strategies and none seem to work i cant find a way
even when i go through the form and make picks i cant seem to get it right and also mu ability to read form in football is now gone
i mean you go trough hours reading form and they still get beat teams 1.50 at home playing against teams that haven't won in 12 games sort of stuff and then if you try looking at games where odds are around evens your basically guessing who will win because when teams are similar priced their either two bad teams with bad form or two good teams with good form so how can you with confidence make a selection i know that in them types of games i would be guessing like man united v chelsea to me is a guessers game or like an in form man city v an inform man united another guessers game
i mean you go through hours reading form and you make a what seems a good selection and they still get beat
im lucky as i rarely bet and when i did it was very small stakes accept for that time when i was lumping on 1.05 shots and made money but stop and that was like 4 months ago
so i haven't lost money as as i said all i do is try to work out strategies or try to pick winners by going through form
my philosophy is why bet with real money unless you know you can win over a period of time or have a tried and tested system
some times ive spent most of the day putting stats on my pc and it can be quite tedious and boring just to go though the same thing of ditching an idea once i see a few losses it can make me annoyed
and with loads of strange results the last few days and on friday going thorough hours looking through form and most of my selections losing
i was seriously been thinking over the last couple of days is gambling really a mugs game (no disrespect to pros) i mean are the odds really against us so much even with laying
ive also begg
ining to think in football form is not significant enough to be making bets on form why because each match is different and teams can change formations and mentality example gais v norkkopping friday night gais were 1.50 on all form you would say gais would win but norkopping sat back defended scored on counter how can a guy going trough form know how a team will play each and every game is different so form in football to me is not relevant enough in a sport played by humans where managers can make changes i mean plymouth argyle will change soon and have a good game and when everyone in the land is betting against them just becuase they have lost their last six games ans are playing a team top of league thats won last 4
so im really thinking now is it time to relax and stop and think about other things in life
because im really beginning to think this betting stuff is really hard can you do it for life and the best way to do is just bet a small mount for fun or just simply bet at all as i dont need a bet to enjoy sports
im also concerned that their seems to be guys on here that are losing every night and it really must be making them go mental like these guys betting on overs in late night argie football
im not going to sit here and say it cant be don't because i believe it can actually i think anyone that has made consistent profits on here for more than 3 years deserve an mbe no matter if there making money using a simple method or some complex thing they also far smerter than any ejit that got a degree in media studies
good luck people i hope some of you can understand my post and meaning behind it
even when i go through the form and make picks i cant seem to get it right and also mu ability to read form in football is now gone
i mean you go trough hours reading form and they still get beat teams 1.50 at home playing against teams that haven't won in 12 games sort of stuff and then if you try looking at games where odds are around evens your basically guessing who will win because when teams are similar priced their either two bad teams with bad form or two good teams with good form so how can you with confidence make a selection i know that in them types of games i would be guessing like man united v chelsea to me is a guessers game or like an in form man city v an inform man united another guessers game
i mean you go through hours reading form and you make a what seems a good selection and they still get beat
im lucky as i rarely bet and when i did it was very small stakes accept for that time when i was lumping on 1.05 shots and made money but stop and that was like 4 months ago
so i haven't lost money as as i said all i do is try to work out strategies or try to pick winners by going through form
my philosophy is why bet with real money unless you know you can win over a period of time or have a tried and tested system
some times ive spent most of the day putting stats on my pc and it can be quite tedious and boring just to go though the same thing of ditching an idea once i see a few losses it can make me annoyed
and with loads of strange results the last few days and on friday going thorough hours looking through form and most of my selections losing
i was seriously been thinking over the last couple of days is gambling really a mugs game (no disrespect to pros) i mean are the odds really against us so much even with laying
ive also begg
ining to think in football form is not significant enough to be making bets on form why because each match is different and teams can change formations and mentality example gais v norkkopping friday night gais were 1.50 on all form you would say gais would win but norkopping sat back defended scored on counter how can a guy going trough form know how a team will play each and every game is different so form in football to me is not relevant enough in a sport played by humans where managers can make changes i mean plymouth argyle will change soon and have a good game and when everyone in the land is betting against them just becuase they have lost their last six games ans are playing a team top of league thats won last 4
so im really thinking now is it time to relax and stop and think about other things in life
because im really beginning to think this betting stuff is really hard can you do it for life and the best way to do is just bet a small mount for fun or just simply bet at all as i dont need a bet to enjoy sports
im also concerned that their seems to be guys on here that are losing every night and it really must be making them go mental like these guys betting on overs in late night argie football
im not going to sit here and say it cant be don't because i believe it can actually i think anyone that has made consistent profits on here for more than 3 years deserve an mbe no matter if there making money using a simple method or some complex thing they also far smerter than any ejit that got a degree in media studies
good luck people i hope some of you can understand my post and meaning behind it
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think i agree with every word here. man after my own heart.
same applies to horses. you can study everything possibly but at the end of the day it's an oblivious animal running across a field and anything can happen |
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yes ive tried searching for horse systems aswell or looking at form and looking at favs to place none were anygood the same with laying you cant really lay horses on here becuase the price is alwaus higher than sp the same with american horses the prices are usually way higher than thier price on the american tote
also i think with horses is to do with pace afterall it is a race and in racing not everything is as clear as daylight lots of short price faves get beat becuase jockey has judged pace wrong not blaming jockeys its part of the sport or the pace shape of the race dosnt suit the horse in the first place |
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The best way is to bet on teams you have watched alot before, or to bet if you are watching the game. Stats and info are all great but it is important to know the personality of a team and character.
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I swear by tea leaves, some people use them to predict all kinds of things, Its amazing what a good cuppa can do for you.
P.s. I meant I swear by tea leaves over tea bags, i didn't mean use them like some do to predict sporting outcomes, that would get you certified mate, hope you find an edge soon mate[;)] |
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haha you are a card
you found an edge bff? |
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It sounds like you are expecting the obvious to work out all the time and that you will be able to profit by backing the obvious....if that was the case, any muppet would be backing winners....instead you have to look beyond the obvious....
as you point out, in racing, the pace of a race can trip up horses that look clear favs on form, so look for races with no obvious frontrunners that could be messy....also, people tend to attach most importance to the latest result/piece of form in most sports, but is this wise?.... i dont think there are too many edges knocking around thru number-crunching (happy to be told i'm wrong here, tho), computers have been around long enough now for those edges that did exist to have been found and eroded...clever thinking is what's required to see the mistakes others are making....the mistakes you've probably been making up to now. |
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dev
is still a div with anonther new account |
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Duncan Idaho makes good points.
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I agree. Even if you do find a trading system thats works, its only because others have lost. Don't waste your money on here. Gamblers never profit in the long run. Pro sports traders profit from losing punters. So in the end someone always loses money.
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Gamblers never profit in the long run
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Hi revolutionary, although I cant help you directly with your apparent problem I would like to
tell you I am a very observant person and I couldn't help but notice there was another similar thread started yesterday called "close to waving goodbye to the world of gambling" On inspection of the authors details I noted that he joined the forum on the 18 th of sept; 2011 which was the date of the thread, also this is your join date as well? Can this be just a co-incidence, hmmm, the odds of a similar post by 2 members having the same start date which is so recent runs in the 10,000s to 1 range so therefore I conclude that these 2 threads are purposely designed for a reason! What this reason is I will leave others to decide and check the data that I have observed as like I said I am very observant of data. |
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you are very shrewd bff and have just managed to avoid being tangled up with the rest of us in here:
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bf-f
revolutionary is a div . he openes a new betfair account more often than he has a shower . he gets bored with his forum name very easily . ask around on the football forum if u dont believe |
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check out whats the chances of.... thread as its also similar
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the same person as dev the rovolutionary |
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I see this sort of complaint all the time and I'll repeat what I said on the football forum last night.
If the favourites are letting you down and football is so inconsistent, surely it doesn't require a degree in rocket science to see that laying the favourites might be a way forward? |
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yes but how many short favorites beetween the odds of 1.20 and 1.80 can you confidently lay the fact is your also going to go on big losing runs
its not as simple as jsut lay the fave maybe i had a bad day of selections and its made me think twice but seriously how many people on here are making a living or making consistent part time profits i know if i put the effoort in id be better buty i put the efoort in on friday spent hours looking thorugh form maybe i should keep praticing but im beginning to think like paulme as some one said gamblers never profit in the long run whats the definnition of a gambler if you just back blindly does it mean or does even a guy that studys form a lot still a gambler in the true means |
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It's not as simple as just lay the fave. But it might be as simple as laying your own selections!!
If you lose reasonably consistently, it's quite possible that laying what you're doing instead of backing it will make you money! Perhaps you're picking out bets which seem like decent shots to you, but your understanding of value is letting you down. In which case, if you just lay them instead, you may get value working for you instead of against you! |
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And don't ever think like Paulme. In fact, what he does shouldn't even be classed as thinking!
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Lord bobbin, read my post 5 posts ago and greedkillsthebankagain to work out whats going on with this thread and a couple of others, its very interesting data.
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I'm not sure I'd go as far as describing it as interesting data BF. It's possible you're right though. On the other hand, Frank seemed to be asking a genuine question about what he should do to improve his betting. A couple of us gave him his thoughts. The guy here, though, sounds a bit like a raving lunatic.
Maybe they are one and the same. (I can't see the point of the same person putting up these two different but similar posts, but that might just be me!) These posts do come up fairly regularly though. One or two of them must be genuine? |
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quite right LordBobbin its seems as if some are trwling for tips as there stuggling to make it pay
and are hoping for info, the only problem is that its not profitable for other beter bettors to give too much away and finding the time to help is difficult too, surely these types of bettors would be better reading the many books on the subject and links on the net. This chap seems to have some knowledge of betting but probably wants to achieve an edge via forum assistance. |
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Dev, football betting isn't as difficult as you think it is. Everyone has got access to the data.
Football isn't played by numbers though. It's flesh & blood on that field. Try looking at any result that didn't work out as predicted. Why didn't it? Write it down. Repeat. Repeat. Very soon you've got Dev's own database of facts & figures that no other person is using. Alternatively, ignore this. Same applies to Paulme, you can't go around with a "please find the winners/show me the way" attitude all your life. Do you own homework and stop acting like a plank. |
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will you give up gambling altogether OP?
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i havnt really been betting but im not giving up i might depostsit a small amount of money and play wit very small stakes if i cant seem to make a profit out of that then i may give up the quest
i think im only going to do is stick with league football only becuase yo can compare positions my first starting point is go on too soccervitsa and only bet on yellow games but not blindly i will use the yellow games as a way to find bets easier then research and look through the form of that game i wil write down all my results on a spreadsheet then i will see if im going wrong any where i dont see why people bet on friendlys i also really dont see how people can bet on champions league europa league i mean like if a team from romania were playing man united and that team were in good form i couldnt back against them its not my way of thinking i also do they think the obscure leagues do have value |
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true league games teams dont have a second agenda so go all out. what are yellow games mate?
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paul me would you find football easier than horses
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i know realising this and have toned the furry beasts right down
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i know realising this and have toned the furry beasts right down
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Its a website tipping website loads of games on there yellow games are usually good bets but not blindly you must research ill jsut use the yellow games as a pointer first of all then research from there
man united were yellow agianst chelsea |
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Bf fantatic are you implying im here fishing for tips or are you on about paul me
i just was thinking a lot about betting thats all and it made me think i know the only way to win is practice and hard work i dont expect anyone to tell them me thier secrets if they have some system plus i dont knwoi why people follow tipsters they might not be around forever i know the only way to win is true trail and error and in football stick to match odds one rule im already implementing is no slection if a team is below 1.50 away from home i dont see any team away from home belwo 1.20 as value ok you will see teams like barcelona winning at 1.30 away from home but you got to be disciplined |
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below 1.50 i mean porto and real madrid backers go stung at the wekend
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Paul and Dev talking to each other. It's a meeting of great minds...
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i am a man of greatness if i can use my mind which i can
gusy like dave edwards are true speakers and preachers they should be given a knighthood |
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sorry for going over the top im no great than asnybody else sorry for getting carried away
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heres a front runner at mountaineer 3/5 fave moving down class last ran at arlington park lets see if the theory holds up
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Oh don't be harsh on yourself Dev. You're great compared to Paul. Hey Paul, in a year or so's time, you could be as good as Dev. Now won't that be fun?
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how do you know each other? Dev!?
we're both great compared to you Bobbin so that's ok  |
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there you go paul theory held up in american racing you get a favorite that is the out and out front runner dropping in class they usually win wire to wire dont know if the angke would be profitable and i would say you need to be patient
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