How thick are the tories? Will they attempt to tax gambling?

DLF I understand how angry you and others are....but they will sue COUNCILS ....and win.

Pretty sure that there will be law that protects families etc from being punished for their children/teenagers law breaking .

It will cost us MORE going down this crazy path than dealing with problems in a more rational ....and LEGAL way!

A woman loses her partner due to bereavement, teenage son goes off the rails and lands in spot of bother, family evicted from their home! Makes no sense at all to me and will only lead to far more crime in any case.

I agree with buzzer ....that CRIME would increase.....and serious crime would happen , as all we would do would be to make people behave MORE like animals.....no house .......muggings would increase, with fatalities....NO DOUBT AT ALL THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN

It is flaming TRAINING/JOBS/ etc etc that youngsters need.......

In current climate where the criminal bankers/politicians/ media owners- management etc etc have behaved appallingly.................audit firms must also share the blame for the criminal activities of management etc  THERE HAS BEEN LARGE SCALE THIEVERY GOING ON BY MANY PEOPLE IN RESPONSIBLE POSITIONS, SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE TO YOUNGSTERS.

If you set your sights on the POOREST in society ....EASY targets.....then society will go down hill faster than it already is.

Look at the ramifications for housing them, paying them welfare etc.  Fcuk them , they are scum and should be put out like the animals they are

arsfondls a toryboy. Who'd have guessed.

dlarssonf - I suspect you are over 60?

Back in sixties....seventies.......youngsters had a chance to get on in life.......TODAY......thanks to the OLDER ones acting like scumbags that have caused the financial crisis.....and the greed of the "buy-to-let" system ( through greed individuals who probably have committed criminal acts to obtain mortgages that they would struggle to pay for etc etc.....and the lenders just took their business, turning blind eye to "SELF-CERT" mortgages etc.

YOUNGSTERS deserve more help to get them started in life........taking away the financial help makes matters worse.

The ones that need to be criticised are all the people in high positions........BANKS/POLITICIANS/MEDIA MAGNATES/ PROFESSIONALS WHO ALLOWED THEM TO LEND TO PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE MONEY LENT TO THEM ETC ETC ........

Looks like the government ( the one that has NOT BEEN ELECTED !).....has not got a clue re the mess they are now creating by allowing the economy to stagnate.........

If they go down path of throwing families out of housing....some BEFORE a trial has been carried out......then THEY HAVE LOST THE PLOT TOTALLY!

The people "DESTROYING COMMUNITIES" ...as Theresa May has stated today ....are not the youngsters ...but the TORY and LIBERAL parties.....

All is not well at the top as well as the bottom of social authority in the u.k.

Well one thing is certain, the same problems are still around that existed in the eighties as its the same places that have had the riots so it proves similar conditions are occurring, only this time a nervous party in control is feeling the pinch more and ready to retaliate in defense of there delicate seat of power.

The problem I would try to solve is the exclusion.  People out of work should not be permitted to do nothing, there are plenty of things they could be doing for the community. For every park with dog turds in there is an able bodied person sat on his/her @rse watching the Jeremy Kyle show. It may cost the taxpayer more to administer in the short term but it would mean:

Everyone is part of the community
Doing nothing isn't an option so people won't get lazy
Taxpayers will feel less angry about providing the financial support if the streets/rivers/etc are cleaner.

Even sick and disabled people could be given something to do to suit there abilities.

Violent offenders should spend a month with the marines; vandals should have to help repair what they damaged; etc etc.

DLF - I knew you were based in Dublin and NOT English.......BUT 32 ....come on !!!!!

Double presents DLF !!!!

Right ....I MUST now get back to STATS analysis!!!!!!

I love the sound of the idea but it's clearly not practical.

Trimming their benefits a little may be more workable.

The vital thing in these places is to create communities, rather than having large numbers of individuals living by themselves. Let's take several closely-based blocks of housing and treat them as one big unit. Instead of assigning benefits to each individual, each 'unit' would get a pool of money, and each person in the unit would receive a percentage of that pool based on their needs.

The pool goes up to reward individuals for positive things (improvements in educational standard, getting a job, doing work for the community etc.). It goes down when bad things happen (most commonly when somebody's convicted of a crime, although you could also have penalties for single mothers trying to go it alone, in order to give them some incentive to stick with the fathers of their children). If somebody is consistently costing the others in the unit money, the unit members can vote on whether to have that person thrown out.

That way, it's in everybody's interests that each individual is law-abiding and tries to find work or help out in some way. If an individual is playing up, they can expect a knock on their door from other members of the unit, and they'll know a failure to listen could cause them to get kicked out.. Single mothers know they'll be taking money away from the people in their unit, and so may think twice about chucking out a wage-paying partner just because they've gone off them slightly and know they'll get just as much money for being a single mother. Plus, it might make a few of the girls think carefully about whether they want to allow themselves to get pregnant quite as freely as they do currently..

Where individuals are being a drain on resources, they'll personally know the people they're taking those resources away from - they're not just getting handouts from a group of faceless suits in some upmarket suburb miles away. That might focus a few minds, and get others to do what they can to help those around them to get jobs or improve their education.

I agree, viva.  That's why I would want to make them feel part of it.  No-one is unemployable who wants to work.

sumo - as gamblers we are seen in the same way as pickpockets,thieves and villians - that's how it used to be anyway -

Glad i have some social status then [;)]

indeedy 

Yes ics, but nothing to do with gambling on here.

Was that a moan you just did viv?

This is the sort of thing that will keep tensions high and it shows the great divide



A mum-of-two who slept through the riots will spend the next five months behind bars – because she accepted a pair of looted shorts the morning after.

Ursula Nevin was in bed at home when city centre shops were ransacked by vandals.

Her housemate Gemma Corbett, 24, returned from the mass crime spree with £629 of clothing and accessories from the upmarket Vans store.

The next day, Nevin picked out a pair of shorts from the haul, tried them on and decided to keep them.

Hours later, police raided the women’s house in Stretford.

Nevin was arrested for handling stolen goods. Now she has been jailed for five months after pleading guilty at Manchester magistrates' court.

The 24-year-old wailed in the dock as she was sent down by a district judge.