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one joined the day before it began admits he has not had a bet since he joined the forum and has posted nearly 700 times on the subject
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and he was so eager to join to start posting on the subject that he spelt his name wrong
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One day,a group of people will start legal action to reclaim any PC paid.I have no idea what their arguement or chances of success would be,but in a few years time the amounts involved would be so large
that they will think it worth the risks.It wouldn't necessarily cost that much and they could easily get 50/1 or more for their money. But the risks for Betfair would be huge---If the courts found the charges unfair/illegal,Betfair would have to return every penny they've taken in PC with the possibily of intrest added on. |
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JML
One day,a group of people will start legal action to reclaim any PC paid. Read the Terms & Conditions |
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Yeah lawyers will be advertising on tv:
"Have you been the victim of PC charges in the past. The government has now ruled these charges unfair and the result of monopoly pricing power. We can help you to reclaim them and you receive 100% of the money, as we get paid by the other side. Call us now to see how we can help" Hmm, maybe not. |
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No lads, not upset or sulking, not destroyed by your compelling counterarguments.
But no more posting from me, because I have seen the error of my ways. I'm just wasting my time. So I'm going to join the intelligent majority of BF punters who have always apparently realised the absolute stupidity and pointlessness in engaging in intelligent debate on here with a pack of self interested, biased, whinging, whining defeatists. I do of course wish you all the best of luck in your efforts to save BF from itself apparently. You all sort of remind of those tea part crazies in the US. |
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"--tea party crazies."
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sorry, when you say you're just wasting your time, i assume that you originally had a clear agenda or set of points you that you wanted understood.
because if that's the case, you're right, you have been wasting your time. you come across as nothing more than a rather obvious (and boring) troll. |
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incidentally i'd love to hear your opinions on the subject of this thread.
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Read the Terms & Conditions
doesn't matter what they say and betfair T&G...only matter whats happen before in court, with cases like this... |
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[b]Eat_your_greens 06 Aug 11 23:05
Read the Terms & Conditions [/b] Many people read the Terms & Conditions of the banks that made excessive charges--Did that stop them reclaiming millions? The banks wern't keen to go to court with their T & C. Why are banks now repaying millions in payment protection when what they did was covered by their T & C. You joined and agreed to the T & C on June 5th. Obviouslly the T & C have changed since then---Did betfair make any attempt to inform you of these changes or do you only know about them by reading the forum? |
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i assume that no one wants to go to court to attempt to recoup pc charges because those with the most to gain fear it would lead to account closure.
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nairda
06 Aug 11 23:39 Joined: 05 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 846 | Blogger: nairda's blog Read the Terms & Conditions doesn't matter what they say and betfair T&G...only matter whats happen before in court, with cases like this... Do you agree to the Terms & Conditions or not? I would suggest it's the former, if not then you wouldn't place your money in their bank account and make a wager. Just the cold hard truth that you have signed up to and agree to by being here. |
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but that not the way things work in UK and australian courts...
Betfair may have a T&C that say that betfair can take any fee it wants any time it wants...but I bet you betfair will lose in australia court if it try it |
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anyway...where do you think Peter Webb was betting today
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JML
06 Aug 11 23:44 Joined: 10 May 05 | Topic/replies: 302 | Blogger: JML's blog Many people read the Terms & Conditions of the banks that made excessive charges--Did that stop them reclaiming millions? The banks wern't keen to go to court with their T & C. Fair point, but to stick with your analogy, the banks are now getting one over us in other ways, it could be argued that what you say was a bit of a smoke screen to give the general population a point. They [Banks or Betfair] will take their cut in whichever shape or form it comes in. The point is, are you going to stick around and give it to them? |
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And they can change their T&C anytime without telling you.
We reserve the right to make changes to our site and all guides and policies included on our site, including this Agreement at any time. You will be subject to the guides, policies, conditions and agreements in force at the time that your bets are matched. It is therefore your responsibility to check the guides, policies and this Agreement from time to time to ensure that you agree with them, and your continued use of the Services will be deemed to be your acceptance of any changes we may make. The only way you know what T&C you are operating under is to read the whole agreement every day you place a bet. |
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makes you wonder why they created a separate site with a mandatory login and confirmation button
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could be a clue in the URL they used for it as well.
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charlatan 06 Aug 11 23:47
i assume that no one wants to go to court to attempt to recoup pc charges because those with the most to gain fear it would lead to account closure. That's a very good point charlatan. They would probably test the waters by only claiming a relative small amount from a dormant account to begin with-----they wouldn't risk losing a profitable account. |
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Good point DStyle---what other company would make a major change to their T&C and make every effort to hide it from 99.9% of their customers?
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it's more the fact that they have gone to very particular lengths to make those liable for the charge acknowledge it.
i would be interested to know if anyone who didn't click on the "i've read it" button on terms.betfair.com was contacted by bf before the 18th. |
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I wrote this on another "discussion" 7 hours ago.
You,ve written more rubbish in the above 2 paragraphs than DStyle has in many years of posting on Betfair. It will come as no surprise to you that the person on the recieving end use to post on here as Premiumpayer. |
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DStyle
I feel sobliged to make a further parting post specifically to you in reply to your last two posts addressed to me, as I do hold your mathematical talents in fairly high regard. I have never had an agenda per se as my raison d'etre for posting on here, except perhaps a broad intent to try to highlight obvious situations where people are posting either deliberate untruths or posting half truths or opinions as facts. If I did have a specific agenda of any sort it would probably be to try to gain support for changing the business model of BF to one that concentrated solely on sports betting, and excluded all casino and other sideshow games of chance. As far as my view on the PW banning, I don't really have one as I'm not a user of or familiar in any way with his bot product. If it is a product that merely permits people to automate their own bet selections, then I would off the top of my head say that if there are a certain number of people making the very same bets at the same times, then it would certainly suggest a degree of collusion. But whether this is PC avoidance or just a betting circle of friends combining their time and talents, I just don't know. BF is just investigating at this time isn't it ? As such as I'm not in possession of any facts on this particular matter, I have no pro or anti position on it. |
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You know DStyle I also don't mind CCTV cameras in public places.
I never commit crimes and as such I don't care who is tracking or investigating my actions or movements ever. The principle of them being around is of no concern to me at all. Same here with the PW thing. The principle of BF suspending PW's account while they investigate a suspicion of PC avoidance, does not worry me one bit at all. |
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It would worry you if you relied on BF for your livlihood and had done nothing wrong
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Yeah that is a fair point.
But I think this investigation should be over pretty quickly if all is above board, and can be clearly demonstrated as so by PW and the others involved. Perhaps it might have been better for BF to let him carry on betting in some sort of suspense account, if he wanted to do that, assuming he was totally confident that all his actions have been totally above board. |
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Yeah I reckon it's fair to let someone carry on earning a crust until they're proven to have committed an offence
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WHAT IS PC AVOIDANCE?
Hopefully a full and true definition will be explained, if not then it's plan B. I have got an alternative stream of income, have you? Are you prepared? Do you have 6 months supply of urchins and clothes pegs? ffs, ffs, what is the world coming too? (could be a sportsbook emerging, with all the bells and whistles of the ever changing goal posts) |
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WHAT IS PC AVOIDANCE
it's what ever Betfair wants it to be |
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FAFHno more posting from me, because I have seen the error of my ways. I'm just wasting my time.
MEHoorah! FAFHI feel sobliged to make a further parting post MEOh God.. |
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This new discriminatory price structure is opening a new can of worms by Betfair.
If I'm a 60% PC payer and I have a bot that makes £250k a year that never has a losing market then shouldn't I be able to rent it out to my brother or sister for 200k for a year? I know of an arber on here who is £3,000,000 down on Betfair. His account is now worth a fortune if it can be utilised. If he was going to retire from arbing on Betfair tomorrow then why can't I rent it to him for £2,250,000 over the next 13 years and he'd be a £1,000,000 better off because of it. I've logged on to my account from other friends computers who are Betfairians but not PC payers in the past. If I do it again will Betfair link our accounts and suspend us? |
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They will if you keep blabbing about it on their forum
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The solution is to not have any friends and to never see your family. Most of us pro gamblers have been implementing this for years.
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FAFH In his own words "final post" logged at 23.16 followed by one at 23.17 another one at 1.01 another one at 1.10 and the you guessed itanother one at 1.16 will someone please send Billy Goat Gruff ronud to sort this troll out. . . . .
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I'd be fairly confident that a top lawyer could pick plenty of holes in the appropriate terms and conditions.
"we may elect, in certain very limited circumstances, to act as counterparty in respect of bets or offers for bets. If we do so, we will take reasonable steps to bring this to your attention" Hmm. |
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good post GOM.
the issue isn't a retrospective legal charge to the PC, which would have no chance whatsoever of succeeding imo. the issue is BF arrogating the power to itself to act as judge prosecution and jury in linking and charging accounts. my guess is what will happen is this: someone will go to law to get back money taken due to accounts being linked for PC purposes. at that point, BF will quietly pay back the money, BUT close both/all accounts. |
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Has there been any updates to this???
Have Betfair given reasons???.... |
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However, viva el presidnente!, if someone successfully reclaims PC from Betfair and they pay up, will that not encourage others to do the same? With the banks there was a test case, and then the floodgates opened.
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