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To All people who think Pc is a good thing
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One guy got banned from all shops for winning £1000 , its on the Internet, Barney Curley won a massive bet in a few bookies last year, he still hasn't been paid, no one ever slates bookmakers on here
and yet betfair is the true home of gamblers now, I know they aren't perfect but there still around and batting for fair betting! |
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Fafh
It's a cruel world. I believe Churchill said: "Never have 480 taken so much from the system and gotten away with it. And they never will". But if you are among the 480, and I think you are, the most important thing is that there is a working system. Opportunities will appear and cunning plans too. |
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Fafh is not one of the 480.
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You're right there Jimmy.
I don't want to think where exactly my ranking might be on that particular scale . Wouldn't look too pretty that's for sure. |
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I'm not one of the 480 either...never have been never will
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Never will be in the sense that when you reach the PC2 level, given normal inflation rates, it will be the dirty 480,000 ?
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Viva el P
No senor! No,no,no,no,no! Not arguing. Just bending over for reality. My take on this is that the system must work because I live in the system. So I just hope, yeah just..., that the system will work better in the future. But of course, being a scandinavian I don't know as much about working financial systems and societies than british and, even more so, irish people.  |
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"Bending over for reality ".
Now that's a **** take on the PC. |
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Rhymes with hear, as you no doubt guessed
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fafh
. Well, my english is the old schoolbook-english. I thought you meant "fu...ng"! Time for bed. Good luck with betting wherever it is. Piece of advice: specialize and simplify as much as possible. |
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viva el presidente!
02 Aug 11 00:00 Joined: 10 Jun 06 | Topic/replies: 8,856 | Blogger: viva el presidente!'s blog bf-fanatic => welcome to my ignore list. --------- yep - he's only the second person to get on mine, too. Didnt think i'd agree with you viva but same here,my block list consists of two posters bf fanantic is one,i wonder if the other is the same?! |
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No patrick, sorry to diappoint you.
You really do have two now. I would never block you. Imagine what pearls of wisdom I would then miss out on ? |
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FAFH, for me the funniest thing about all the winding up people for fun about the pc2 is that some have taken it too heart and blocked me, I was going to post " should the pc2 be higher" for more laughs and kicks but reckon the men from the tower would of kicked me off for provocation, your the only one that worked me out when you said he probably hates pc2 as much as the next man, well done FAFH , not winding people up anymore , got the main guys i wanted dstyle, president,etc
For me the forum is sheer entertainment value, I cant sit on the fence when theres a key in everyones back somewhere  |
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Patrick fell for it hook line and sinker[;)]
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There all going round saying theve blocked me, am pissing myself
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Bff I have to admit that you are a winder upper par excellence, and that I cannot hold a candle to your skills in that area.
I am more in the category of someone who cannot abide moaners and whingers, and people who feel sorry for themselves and feel they are being unfairly picked on, most particularly those who have had the good fortune to have been in the right place at the right time to have earned a very pretty penny from the very entity they are now accusing of being unfair and hostile to them. I am glad to hear you don't actually like the PC ( after all who in their right mind actually likes any charges or taxes anywhere), but I am equally glad to hear that you do appear to understand and accept, if somewhat reluctantly, the basic need for reasonable, exchange sustaining charges and taxes. Many on here have put up quite compelling arguments on the excessive degree and poor structure of the PC, which in many cases are pretty hard just to dismiss as being selfish moans from an elitist group. They are real and should be addressed by BF in some equitable manner. The rebate argument is a particularly compelling one. Your winding up technique is perhaps not the best way to inform people that you are really just like many of them, that is a fair and honest punter expecting or hoping to try to make a fair and honest living out of a very difficult and challenging occupation. |
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And btw patrick is obviously a deeply unhappy person and you should go out of your way to be extra kind and gentle to him.
He is rather fragile. |
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is patrick a pc2 payer?
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Actually the blocking mechanism is perhaps as deeply flawed as the PC.
To have full penalistic effect on the so called " troll " or " pest", it should actualy work two ways. That is , the t or p should be unable to read the posts of those who want to block him. That could actually hurt him/her. eg in the case of DStyle, you would be losing access to perhaps one of the smartest statistical mathematicians posting on here. In the case of Viva, one of the wittiest at times etc etc. |
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Patrick would appear to be a thug or at least a wannabe thug.
But we really shouldn'tperhaps be talking about someone who can't respond fairly. |
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I read today that BF revenues are up above expectations and thats before pc2 profits come in, thats good and bad as , (1)bad, it highlights that there revenues are in good shape so little justification on pc hike,(2) good, more chance of some concession on rate or/and a better chance of long term acceptance of big winners by the firm.
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Probably too short term to mean anything one way or the other.
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I tell you what though, its a head banger of a charge for punters but BF have got balls when it comes to business, see there are two sides to both parties involved, if BF get anymore ballsy then were all better off getting jobs with them lol
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If i am truly honest and look at both sides of all arguments, and without playing the actor which I have been, I would end up sitting on the fence FAFH on this pc2, because after all even though making more profit for us punters is wired into our souls, betfair deserve what ever profits/losses and accolade/regrets that come to them for being mavericks in the betting world for mavericks in betting, it seems there is exchange mechanisms in matters of ideals also as well as fiscal matters!
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Well Mr Black, and Mr Wray, I just thought I would let you know, I wouldnt piiss on you if you were on fire, you courted many many people when you needed them for your start, and you repay them with 40% surcharges.
This seems a little harsh considering Andrew Black left the board last year. I would be surprised if PC2 would have been brought in if he was in a position to stop it. Apart From Mr Wray I think you would struggle to find anyone at Betfair was were there at the start when they were begging people to provide liquidity and campaign to government for fair taxation. |
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Can anybody get their figures on terms.betfair.com site? I can no longer login to the site, it just says "Only those customers that are directly affected will be able to access this webpage."
Does that mean I am no longer affected? |
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I can't get on it either Joel and I'm one of the 480.
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GOM you knew that betfair would eventually raise the pc, why act so surprised and pretend others can offer you the same MASSIVE profits, so you lot think you have the patent rights to greed or to succeed, shame on you.
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patent rights to greed
Betfair want 60% cut out of me but only if I win, if I lose I'm on my own. Not only that they want 60% of what I net on here, they don't want to contribute to my expenses. If I win another million on here I'll see £400k minus my expenses of it. If I've lost my edge and it takes me another million Pounds worth of losses to find out then I'll be liable for the whole lot myself. Betfair want more money for my efforts and risk than I get with no responsibility for expenses or losses, that's just too far. One word for you bf fanatic, unsustainable. This will eventually be the death of them, they've pi$$ed off the wrong people. |
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I can get on terms.betfair.com - am I special?
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You're very special to the shareholders every Wednesday!
It would be nice if, when you logged in through terms, the site looked a little different and they had some premium offers for premium payers! |
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Yeah, that would be nice shaun. I don’t know if I’m that special to shareholders as I stopped betting when they made the announcement, and yet I still hang around like a bad smell.
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Betfair want 60% cut out of me but only if I win, if I lose I'm on my own. Not only that they want 60% of what I net on here, they don't want to contribute to my expenses.
To pay 60% you have a long term ratio of less than 5%. Considering basic commission rate is 5% I dont think you will be losing your edge anytime soon. And if you do I think it will be obvious before you reach massive loses because you must currently be winning virtually every market you play on. |
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Precisely frog 2.
Perhaps GOM could help us more exactly understand as to why he is threatened with potential gambling extinction by the PC2, then maybe he could post up some basic type figures on his predicament as follows. Historical GP to date Historical commission actually paid ( ex PC) Historical commission generated ( using BF formula). Then we can at least do a few calculations on excatly what his actual or potential exposure to PC means in terms of impact on his real bottom line. And then we could perhaps see and understand how he is at risk of losing all with some slight variance in his " edge". I trust that would not be viewed as asking GOM to reveal too much info to enable us to understand fully and thus perhaps sympathise more with his " dire " circumstances. |
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Wow good post from GOM, he has some points about what it costs users to keep running, good posts also from frog2 and fafh, I must raise the level of my posts as I am getting out classed by people that know what there talking about an relate well to others, perhaps now I can see what a forum really is useful for, constructive criticism, I think what is really sadly missing from betfair is a press release system to bond better with there customers, announce up and coming changes, promote themselves instead of working from a tower, are all the 2000 staff so busy that the 3 million plus users cant be kept in touch and feel more secure and welcome in there beloved betfair>
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Are the share holders as ill-informed as the people that really invest and have invested millions in the past, let alone designed systems and software to increase the worth of the company, or are we just going to be numbers in a system, with trap jackets and saddle cloths to match, are we just runners in a race ?
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Some of GOM's post may not be entirely relevant to GOM himself but describes exactly the position many gamblers could find themselves in. I've already given them an easy implemented method for introducing rebates that isn't open to abuse but I don't think they give a fk anymore. I sometimes wonder if it was timeform that took over betfair.
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If it's about rebates Feck I agree.
If it's just about losing an edge, as GOM says, I don't know. |
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If you had a £100 quid with Betfair at 4/1 and you were a top rate pc payer
you would have been backing the same dog at 13/8 numpty |