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Nice piece bosman - very similar to my own story.
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great post.
i think that perhaps what betfair don't realise is that the people who aspire to have your success are probably betfair's best customers. |
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Looking at the type of market you are working with would it be possible to make any BACK bets with the bookies and just use betfair for the lay side of things?
If this is not possible maybe a trading partner would be a better option, not any one that would be connected with your account but a person that could operate the BACK or LAY side while you work the other. just some ideas you could look at. |
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Hi total bosman, i feel that you are right in your concerns, its worse for players like you because the justification for the pc charge has been firstly they said to offer a minor 30 quid to attract players in, wow 30 quid that should hook the big spenders, then they say all winners are robots hoovering all the profits, its all sounding like smoke screens to me and many, its them trying
justify them sucking up other peoples profits! i think the whole premium charge is regrettable anf probably its a get rich quick perk before they become a bookmakers, this is the only reason a successful exchange would openly purge its exchange model winners for extra cash if they were at some point morphing into a more risky bookmaker. |
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well written, shocked to hear they gonna take 60% of your profits.
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Great post bossman,when i joined up trading was their unique selling point, now we are all lumped in with the cheats and hooverers who will still continue to operate, the only difference being betfair awarding themselves a bigger cut of the risk free profits.Originally it was advertised as a person to person site,we are dinosaurs operating in a sea of bots which at the outset were actively discouraged,people joining up now have no idea how the cards are stacked against them.
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Very well put .....you said it all ....Betfair need a rethink but we dont have all the facts they do .....
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well written and my tale is similar except US racing instead of golf and i suppose im "lucky" that im only going to pay 40% and not 60
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same here.
i did never cheat, never beat the clock, never was courtside, never used api or bots. i did everyone of my millions of bets manually using the classic betfair interface. i provided 100s of millions of liquidity, paid some 100K in commission, i had losing days of 100K+ and i am a loser in 2011. what did i do wrong to get raped by betfair soon? perhaps its some strange way of saying thank you to the most loyal customers who made betfair big? |
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perhaps we betfair would have bigger profit margins if they gave some of the top players on here a week to sort the company out? anyone agree
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good post
It is sad to listen that Betfair asking 60% of profits. Government should do the same they should take 60% of gambling companies. |
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Government should do the same they should take 60% of gambling companies profits.
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Very interesting post Bosman. I can understand betfair wanting to target bot users and cheats. But unfortunately others who take a risk position have also been caught up in the net (unfairly).
I sincerely hope betfair read your post and have a rethink, but I equally sincerely doubt it. |
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The pc does not target bots.
I like the op. To me it reads like a success story and I admire the honesty of realising that it probably would last forever. Good luck with whatever you do instead if you really can't find a way to stay here. |
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Great post.
I want to bet at an exchange where Total Bosman feels welcome. |
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Using bookies and/or betting partner would not work in Bossman's case as would be far too risky.
On a level week he could end up winning thousands on his own account whilst losing elsewhere and BF taking up to 60% is going to kill him. |
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Betfair has a strategy in place , they know they effect good punters like bosman. They are taking a big gamble that will probably blow up in their face.
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Thanks for the comments folks.
Regarding any hope of avoidance etc. I'm not getting involved in any account shenanigans. I'm not a fraudster and I don't intend to become one. I make what I consider to be an honest living from gambling and if I can no longer do so then so be it. And I've got no intention of getting involved in arbing / churning etc. I enjoy the thrills and spills of what I do - I know some people may think of trading as safe or risk-averse, but every trade for me starts with a punt I think is value and then I consider what to do with it further down the line, just like that first ever Azinger punt. It's exciting and it's fun and I don't want to turn into an accountant or a mathematician grinding away at markets day and night to make things pay. I'd rather just get a job. Assuming Betfair don't suddenly have an epiphany about all this by best hope is that a genuine rival emerges. It could be a slow process but among PC payers or non-PC payers I don't sense much loyalty or goodwill towards BF any more, so there has to be a tipping point. Breaking the monopoly would be a good thing for everyone, maybe even Betfair themselves- the share price suggests they need to buck up their ideas and some competition might actually force them to do that. |
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Total Bosman - my story is very similar. Like you I am no cheat; I use my own skills in match reading and pricing for in-play football markets. Nothing sinister, no clock beating, no dodgy shenanigans, just pure skill. Now I pay 40%.
It's punishment for using the services as it was intended to be used. |
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All trading is punting Bosman, people just thinks it sounds better describing it as trading, once you put money in the market there is a risk it won't go your way..... best of luck with whatever path you take from here!
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Great post Bosman. Copy/Paste story for myself... (the only difference is I bet on tennis, and I do more markets).
Never used a robot, never been a courtsider, never tried to avoid the 20% PC etc... May i ask you if you will try to move to somewhere else? |
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Excellent post.
My story's pretty similar. I've been 'working' on here for just 18 months, I'm not quite at the £250k net profit mark but it's only a matter of time. I don't use anything other than the bog standard Betfair site and a single spreadsheet. No bots, API, fast pics, etc. I've done virtually nothing to try and avoid the PC I pay now, maybe something every now and then to try and get my commission a little higher. The new net has been cast much too widely, but they can afford to abuse their position of strength (a virtual monopoly). I'd like to see the first, say, £2k profit each week be a 'personal allowance'. It will make a great difference to the 'smaller' punter yet still hit the big boys. |
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Great post Bosman.I am strictly a layer on the horses.I have a profitable account and have never met an owner,jockey,trainer,stable lad Bookmaker or anyone else who could be privy to so called inside information,nor would I wish to.I bet purely on my own opinion and all my bets are placed pre race and manually.
At the moment I would not be liable for the new pc but a few years down the line who knows. I think it is dispicable the way people such as yourself have been treated,especially as Betfair used to use the advertising slogan "winners always welcome". At a single stroke Betfair have removed the incentive that drives alot of gamblers to live the dream and aspire to success. Good luck for the future. |
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THE TOTAL BOSMAN POST
Very, very much the best ever put up on the subject. It should be compulsory reading for every member of the BF senior management and board. It is indeed a very sad day when intelligent and honest true punters like total bosman are forced to give up the ghost on here. Absolutely criminal. |
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great post TB.
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No one can survive with all the hard work in the long run on the pc .It's impossible .
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A fine post indeed TB and worthy of some kind of media coverage to which betfair might sit up and take some notice but obviously take no action !!
I feel there are many, many more in the same boat. something tells me betfair are milking this for all they can, coz its surely only a matter of time before they are seriously challenged in there own arena. |
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Marpentoise - Yes, I've been building a bank over the road for the last few weeks and will try to make a go of it there. It'll be a slog but hopefully in the long run it'll be worth it. I'm sure Betfair will succeed in one way or another driving off all their customers eventually!
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FAFH - what great achievement do you have to your name to decide what is or isn't the best post on this subject. What an arrogant sh1te you truly are.
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Sorry Bung.
Should have prefaced it with imo. Anyway Bung post up what iyo was a better post ? |
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Btw Bung my only true great achievement to date is managing to stay alive.
Though if I ran into you in a pub, it would seem that even that might end rather abruptly. |
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Hey Bung baby, I'm still waiting for your "better" post on the subject.
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Rixy, just another customer coming up with clever "solutions" that happens to be perfectly suited to their way of using this site
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block user | report block user FINE AS FROG HAIR 18 Jul 11 23:08 Joined: 12 Mar 07 | Topic/replies: 3,398 | Blogger: FINE AS FROG HAIR's blog Btw Bung my only true great achievement to date is managing to stay alive. Though if I ran into you in a pub, it would seem that even that might end rather abruptly. Faaaaaakin 'elllll FAFH has finally made me chuckle. |
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Eddie - I've got to take issue with you there, I think that's harsh. I think most people would think Rixy's suggestion of a minimum weekly threshold is a reasonable one in general. If part of the 'dream' of anyone using Betfair is the ability to someday make a living from it, then fixing a threshold that allows people to make a living, and above which a higher rate is paid, would at least keep that dream alive. The solution may very well suit Rixy, as it would me, but it's a pretty general suggestion and not one that really fits any specific style of play. Or do you think it's fair that in a week when I win £9 Betfair take 60% of it?
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^I'd second that, TB. bottom line is, this stuff's work. and if you work for a week to end up a pound up, BF taking 60p of it seems pernicious.
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Whew. What a relief Rocket.
Is it going to be all good now between us going forward ? We have at least perhaps found our humour common denominator ? Still all depends eh ? |
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Pernicious.
Lovely word Viva. You do have a way with words I have to admit. I'm still chuckling periodically over the " Would you mind awfully " line you threw in recently. |
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Total, what do you mean by 'win £9'? If that is your net winnings after commission then betfair won't take 60% of it. If it is your gross winnings then it is a bit misleading.
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