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Even I may get caught with this one and I'm the most cunning, evil, parasitic, copycat trading, shell and pea merchant on here.
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In what way catfloppo? All that will change is that betfair will become the majority shareholder in "bleeding the betting pool both too fast and too consistently".
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Point taken, Feck, you're right. Although some may choose to run more marginal, even loss-making, strategies to reduce the impact of pc which would put more back into the pool.
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Even that positive is somewhat negated catfloppo because of the 5,10, 10+ bands. As I've commented on the Life means Life thread, I've no longer any incentive to supply liquidity to keep my commission down.
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Must have missed that one. So once you're on 60% you're stuck there even if you totally change your strategy?
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yes
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How strange. I must admit I don't really see the need for different bands anyway.
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You can move up and down the bands. You're not stuck there for life
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Wow,just been reading all this
after time away . 480 sounds a high figure, didn't realise so many were doing so well for so long. All i can say is this seems in some way like a retrospective charge for players who weren't paying a premium type charge from 2000 onwards , i guess the thinking is all guys who were lucky enough to make 200k plus leading up to 2008 without having to cough up the premium charge 'had it good' and now if you continue you will be making up for it in a concentrated payment should you continue. There seems the 'bonus' that more recent winning customers who have always paid P/C can continue for a little longer before many may fall into the net,once it hits 60% then there is little incentive to continue that's for sure. No doubt this figure will go well past the 1,000 mark. Not sure of the alternatives right now for those hit ,I am guessing BF looked at how the original PC impacted the markets and have taken this a step further, no doubt in a couple of years we may all be affected further with a new charge. |
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Where does it say that Johnny?
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It's all about the churn
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Even if you can move between bands my point was that it would take a long time for me to reach 10% comm'n generated and move to 50% so I'd be as well taking it easy and only betting horses I consider excellent value.
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40% you mean ?
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No Johnny, I'm on 40%. I mean it would be a long time before my comm'n gen would drop below 10% and put me on 50%.
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Ahh fair enough
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i dont reconise myself in these posts..im affected by the 40pc charge but i refuseto pay it...i made my money 4-7 years ago wen it was a level playin field in-running..using only my own reflexes and judgement..then fast pictures startedfor some..on track boys ect and i cudnt compete so gave up in running..so im a layer generally sometimes backer..my own judgement..bet in photos n stewards to..tote bets to..but not any more..iv taken funds out of betty n only transfer wen thers a stewards,,im now doin my layin on purple andmy tote bets on the tote..betty lost out quite a lot of my commision already in 4days..thats my protest..i actually have left betty in essence after 9 years..im still survving..in fact iv saved money so far..cos im now not paying the 20per cent...no way i was goin to 40 per cent! i only made 10 grand lastyear..pitiful to increase my pc..last 3 years my profits much reduced..
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Im thinking i might retire from gambling, maybe get out while i can
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does anyone reckon there will be a big change from the 18th July onwards ?
less liquidity ? people moving to daq or straight bookies ? |
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I'd imagine people will bet in a different way depending on what they do already to reduce risk RS1, certainly wouldn't be much point putting yourself on the line all the time
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im in the process of moving everything purple and just started yesterday. My initial impressions:
The unmatched volumes available on most markets are generally pretty good, but not much activity in terms of bets being matched. Having said that, ive generally been watching the womens tennis markets and copa america/under 17/womens world cup football where volumes are fairly unpredictable anyway. I would imagine that most BF users have at some point in the last week had a look at BD to see what the alternative looks like.If they could create the impression of greater volumes and liquidity it would attract more users than a marketing campaign ever would. Why not introduce cross matching software like BFs whereby an unmatched back also appears on the lay side of the opposite market selection to create tighter markets. Dont know if they do seed their markets or use bots but this would be a good time to start. The range of markets are fairly limited but so were BF's 4 or 5 years ago. |
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Why not introduce cross matching software like BFs whereby an unmatched back also appears on the lay side of the opposite market selection to create tighter markets
pretty sure that's already there |
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When BF introduced the PC I started putting up the same prices there as here, except a tick or two better value over there. I guess it'll now be a couple of ticks or three.
Since I started using purple I have managed to make a living just over there, so it can be done. |
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theres plentyof bookies out there go bet with someone else
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ijs how many of the 480 do you think can ring up ladbrokes and ask for a bet?
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More like 450 of them Clydebank. None of them want a bet though.
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More like 30 of them Clydebank - the rest will be traders so it's a non starter.
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That's the "ultimate" bottom line.
Where else will you go. Truth is you have to wait till the exchanges fill, then make your move. More often than not, you don't get filled. Such is life. |
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agree - bf was there for those that wanted something different in the early days. we already pay (up to) 5% for the win yet during the month if we win too much they slog us with a huge fee. I made 7000$ for the 2 weeks of wimbledon last year and got the scariest email of my life - if u do this again we will cahrge you more!
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Must be very depressing for Weetabix nobody even mentions them, its all Betquack.
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Yes, I've been slightly surprised at that. Mind you, their name's even more abstract than Quack's. How many punters watching a television advert would remember their web address after a quick flash on the screen?
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Quack spending some money on TV/Radio/Rags advertising might be nice. Their head of marketing must literally do nothing all day.
Come on Dermot dip ever so slightly into that 1 billion pot. |
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I emailed Weetabix last Saturday to enquire as to whether they had any plans to increase the variety of markets they offer. Haven't even had so much as a "we're currently looking at our options and will get back to you" email....
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Indeed, if you go to the WeetaBiX site and use W B X inthepress to the left, they say:
We're doing everything we can to ensure that as many people as possible know about the advantages of betting with W B X. Why not take a look at what the media have been writing about us… Selecting last 6 months, for example, gives: No content found Clearly it has not been worth bothering to get any press coverage of late. It is hard to see any competition with apathy like that. |
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Weetabix and the Duck need to look at the graphica nad lay out of the site ,in particular the correct score markets.
It puts me off straight away . Betfair has the right idea in that respect ,much easier on the eye . |
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i'm surprised these sites haven't 'borrowed' more ideas from here
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Correct scores are more logical on the daq tbf, always wondered why betfair don't copy them!
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Lori , how do you work that one out ?
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also, The Duck also need a more vibrant forum ,it's not helping matters having to sign in to read the damn thing [smiley:crazy]
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If I'm a punter wanting to bet a team to win lose or draw by a certain score, then on the duck they're arranged that way.
Over here you have 1-0 to one team next to 1-1 draw and then 2-1 to the other team. Mind boggling really. |
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I might be wrong, but I should imagine a typical punter thinks along the lines of "I think we'll win 2-1 tonight, possibly 3-1"
Would make sense if those choices are near each other. I understand why the betfair layout is how it is, but it's not laid out like any other bookie as far as I'm aware. |