p c doesnt touch me but

The worry I have is if this is accepted, every now and again the commission will be bumped up year on year and other firms will think along similar lines to the extent that eventually it will become impossible to win anywhere in the long term.

I honestly believe it could spell the end of betting and gambling as we'eve ever known it, it could be that serious.

What a drama queen.

Its a genuine concern for me.

Fair enough. Just a bit over the top I think.
End of the world type stuff always is.

Maybe its my vivid imagination but could see it happening down the line, hope not though!

Consistent, long term winners on betfair now make a bit less = the end of betting and gambling as we've ever known it

Lol

Yep. They'll have to sell off their boat or something.
Or even start to fly business class.
Oh the pain of it all.

Honestly. The new rules are bad and a very shoddy way to treat Betfair's customers, but I think some around here are rather overdoing it.    The end of betting and gambling as we've known it????  Even the Romans used to gamble. It's been with us for hundreds and hundreds of years, and will continue to be with us for hundreds and hundreds of years more. Perhaps the betting exchange model will never (in our lifetimes at least) have the promise of old. Perhaps the bookmakers will be in the ascendancy once more. One thing that is guaranteed is that there'll always be ways of gambling and betting. They may be harder to make large profits on, but they'll be there.

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That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes,
an aeroplane - Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn,
world serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs.
Feed it off an aux speak,, grunt, no, strength,
The ladder starts to clatter with fear fight down height.
Wire in a fire, representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site.
Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.
Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing!
Fine, then.
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do.
Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right - right.
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers.
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn.
Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting.
Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed. Uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier.
Renegade steer clear! A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies.
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
(I feel fine)

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev. Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine...

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Its OK scoffing catflappo but we'll see the scenario in say 10 or 20 years time and what has happened in the meantime. I'm not saying it will finish next week but its quite possible as BF say they are going to continually adjust the commission structure over time.

If other companies follow suit, how could anyone possibly win in the long term, it would all be just like one big gaming machine.
Can you not see that?

In the past no one was ever told they had to pay back money they won, they were just excluded from betting with firms and then moved on to another firm. But this new method if embraced across the board but just mean most money went to the house in all probability.

I'll have to get one of those signs around my neck and walk around with those other folk predicting the end is nigh lol. Maybe we will get offered odds on it 10/11 each scenario with 60% of winnings retained by the house.

i8 think whats being missed here is the fact people may make an ok hourly rate paying pc at 20% but at 60% it may be  just not worth the hours spent grinding it out.4 or 500 quid a week   in 40 hours seems ok but once that changes to nearer 250 for the same hours people may chose to just go back to work with no risk, you must remember even traders are taking a small risk that their original bet is overpriced.you can of course argue guys are making far more than this but most of those can probably earn big money in their normal jobs.the attraction of being able to do as you please each dy  will also be affected but the fact guys who have made good money on here previously probably need to keep masking similat amounts to keep their heads above water.originally the p.c came into force to get money from guys running bots, we all know thatif bfair wanted to get rid of bots they could do so overnight, imsure they can tell which accounts are bot driven, the truth is they dont give a feck who ythey get the loot from they just want more of it!!"!most good businesses that  go wrong often go wrong because of GREED, well in that  case bfair can go wrong as they are the greediest of them all.

If you're asking whether internet gambling would, or should, stay the same for the next 20 years then the answer is clearly no.  The rate of change is much greater than that and there maybe many other influences that we cannot predict, it becoming illegal for example.  But why the gloomy outlook?  There will always be winners and innovators in any field and new fields constantly appearing.  20 years AGO who could have predicted the environment that betfair would provide for people to make money and the new types of gambler that it would spawn?

Anyway, if I'm still around in 20 years it will be on a beach somewhere with a couple of dusky maidens sensually applying suntan oil, pausing only to wheel me back to my room whenever the viagra-laced margaritas succeed in their increasingly unlikely purpose.

btw , several guys i know who get money on here are looking at th 60% p.c  and are thinking that they can get as much money by upping their hours playing poker, loyalty is a two way thing, bfair would do well to remember that.if and its a huge if  , they drive many customers to bdaq they will never get bthemback.

It had nothing to do with bots, sick.  I use bots without even having paid pc and this is likely to remain the case even under the new system.

20 years AGO who could have predicted the environment that betfair would provide for people to make money

Me. When the internet was still a seed I suggested the idea to the labour party, the handicap book and the racing post. Couldn't imagine the idea would work without it being a government monopoly as tax was 9% on turnover at the time. Got a reply from Alan Meale, spoke to Handicap Book editor on phone (didn't think it could happen) but not even the courtesy of a reply from zorro. Had betfair and flutter not started up at the point all the bookmakers were going offshore they would've been strangled at birth.

Was that when you were Feck N. Clever?

No. In hindsight Feck N. Eejit obviously.

It's my bet that a lot of companies potentially interested in online gambling are looking at BF to see how the model works over time .

Expect Beardy to get involved at some point ,he's pretty much on the ball ! and he will probably run it on the same lines as BF  except after a few years  become even more  aggressive with pricing (once he's won the trust of the gamblers with all his nonsense promises).

I can see it now