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By:
Lori
When: 10 Feb 11 12:10
Finally suspended the market, how nice of them
By:
brendanuk1
When: 10 Feb 11 12:11
API and lite not a blip
By:
waynebrayn
When: 10 Feb 11 12:12
Getting API errors now
By:
Lusitano71
When: 10 Feb 11 12:12
geeks toy is working but really low activity
By:
Lori
When: 10 Feb 11 12:12
It's also not acceptable to say it'll be down for 2 minutes and to be down for what is now 12 minutes.
By:
waynebrayn
When: 10 Feb 11 12:13
Errors probably due to market suspensions, cant't check this though!
By:
waynebrayn
When: 10 Feb 11 12:14
I'm guessing the test is not going well!
By:
waynebrayn
When: 10 Feb 11 12:16
".. and you're back in the room"
By:
brendanuk1
When: 10 Feb 11 12:16
should not be doing live testing, seems odd to me. Do it at night if you really need to.

In middle of day with 5 mins notice Confused very odd
By:
Lori
When: 10 Feb 11 12:16
Had a bet matched at 13:00 too, so they didn't suspend at the start of the test. Be interesting to see if eddie had any matched even later than that.
By:
DStyle
When: 10 Feb 11 12:17
my questions:

1. why is always your users who are aware that the site is down so much more quickly than your helpdesk staff and whoever is responsible for shutting down the API and suspending markets when the fault is at architectural layer that does not bring down the API. should you not be monitoring your site second by second, especially after performing major upgrades?

2. what was the cause of the two periods of site downtime on Wednesday morning at 10:23 and 11:44? the site was down for two to three minutes on both occasions as reported by plenty of users on the forum. why did you not feel it was necessary to apologise for this on the forum?

3. would it not have been a better idea on Saturday to have brought the site down once, fixed the problem properly and then bring the site back up instead of the consecutive crashes which your userbase had to tolerate. repeated downtimes is a much worse experience than extended site unavailability. do you think the way you handled the consecutive crashing on Saturday was the right way, or "have lessons been learnt"?

4. is the risk posed by site instability (and the effect instability has on your customers) due to upgrades always quantitatively justified by the benefits the upgrade brings? Would you care to outline the benefits introduced by the latest upgrade and estimate the cost to your business, both directly through commission, and likely customer attrition brought about by the crashes on Saturday.

5. You brought the site down at 13:00 today as per your service announcement. do you honestly believe it's acceptable to give your customers notice of this 6 minutes before you brought it down on the general betting forum? do you not think it would have been better to have posted this on all forums, or at the very least those where there were live in play events occurring? again and again you tell your customer base that you recognise that you frequently fail in communicating with them effectively and are taking steps to address this: this is evidently nothing more than hot air.
By:
Lori
When: 10 Feb 11 12:17
Middle of day during one of the major events of the day too.

I know they tend to ignore golf and cricket but the top three in the world in the same group qualifies as major event.
By:
Contrarian
When: 10 Feb 11 12:19
I had bets matched at 1.02pm
By:
TheFlame9
When: 10 Feb 11 12:20
hope someone phoned them and gave them what for.....


pure arrogance
By:
Lori
When: 10 Feb 11 12:21
So they didn't suspend despite knowing they were taking the site offline.

Their reasons to me were that they didnt suspend on Saturday because they weren't aware the site was down!
By:
Lusitano71
When: 10 Feb 11 12:24
for what i've noticed Geeks never went down
By:
TheFlame9
When: 10 Feb 11 12:25
Geeks Toy did....
By:
Templeton Peck
When: 10 Feb 11 12:32
It's farcical that some methods of access work and some don't.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 10 Feb 11 12:34
Contrarian, was that in an inplay market ?  I don't see any reason to suspend and cancel bets in markets that aren't inplay.
By:
Templeton Peck
When: 10 Feb 11 12:35
email them at livechat@betfair.com

It probably won't make much of a difference but it's better than doing nothing/moaning on here.

My gripe was there being no effective warning.  I doubt that many people use the forum.  They should email all customers and have messages throughout the website.

Ideally there'd be the option of receiving a message flash up on screen that requires you to click on it to confirm you've read it.
By:
jimmy69
When: 10 Feb 11 12:35
Did you send Betfair an e mail to thank them for making you some money the other day in the golf Eddie?Laugh
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 10 Feb 11 12:40
No Jimmy, I didn't because their failure to suspend markets during that close to three hour outage probably ended up costing me money even if none of my lays that were taken during the outage actually went on to win.
   I know you will struggle to understand how, but I can assure you that is the case.
By:
Lori
When: 10 Feb 11 12:43
If the 540 test goes badly, we'll miss the 6pm performance chat.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 10 Feb 11 12:55
Lori, that's not fair, you know very well that they are able to keep the forum going 24/7 !!
By:
Contrarian
When: 10 Feb 11 12:57
Eddie,

No, it wasn't an IP market
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 10 Feb 11 13:02
my guess is, they want to be able to say it's definitively fixed in the livechat, hence the short notice testing.
By:
Just Checking
When: 10 Feb 11 13:06
"The proof of the fixing will be in the eating, not the livechat" :)
I.e. if we go say the next month and it doesn't happen again..
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 11 Feb 11 10:11
SH!T , down again !!
By:
Lusitano71
When: 11 Feb 11 10:12
and here we are again Sad
By:
Contrarian
When: 11 Feb 11 10:14
I don't understand this one. The site seems ok to me, but they've suspended the IP markets.
By:
Contrarian
When: 11 Feb 11 10:15
Ok, back again.
By:
Lusitano71
When: 11 Feb 11 10:15
now the question is... was this one scheduled five minutes ago or longer?
By:
Lusitano71
When: 11 Feb 11 10:17
well thats an improvement Happy

ultra short down time
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 11 Feb 11 10:20
This one was scheduled.  They have an announcement about it in the service section of the forum.  They didn't bother to informe us her on GB this time though.  What about some consistency in your warnings Betfair ?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 11 Feb 11 10:26
No, not here , my markets is the same as always.
By:
Templeton Peck
When: 11 Feb 11 10:30
Yes, they've posted this in less forums this time!  What a waste of time last night was.
By:
DStyle
When: 11 Feb 11 11:35
booom. thanks for the warning
By:
Bridgeboy
When: 11 Feb 11 11:37
This is beyond a joke. . .
By:
Rocket to the FACE
When: 13 Feb 11 10:14
It has been very slow for me this morning. Anyone else ?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 20 Feb 11 14:30
Can't place bets or access my bets..
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