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A.P. McCOY sports personality of the year
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turtlehead, the reason why he has shortened is like any other
ante post bet 2 weeks before the event, there are things that can happen in that fortnight. Nothing has really happened, hence the price has contracted. |
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So are you trying to claim he has contracted for no reason
 The simple reason is that he was far too high a price in the first place. Not rocket science. As stated previously, there was a huge campaign in the racing media to get people in the industry to vote for him, as it was a total joke that he had never been nominated before. People have (eventually) woken up to that, and that is reflected in recent changes in the price. |
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I'm convinced Mc Coy will win SPOTY tonight. I think 1/2 is an excellent price. In my book he is 1/10 fav. I have been watching NH racing for years and jockeys like McCoy are one of the reasons why attendances at NH racecourse are at all time high. Racing is intricately woven in UK sport and life (everybody goes horse racing at least once in their life). with Mc Coy champion jockey 15 times and winner of the Grand National this year. He IS a household name. It's time for him to step up and put UK racing in the limelight for the first time!
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Ken is correct
If Swann had taken 6 wickets overnight and England had retained the ashes he would have been 1/2 and McCoy 5/1 |
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^^^ rubbish
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turtlehead, you seem to have trouble understanding the English Language.
McCoy was evens two weeks ago, and it was his providing nothing happened from then to now. Nothing happened and that is the reason he was around 1.60 earlier this evening. |
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GL Ken, McCoy closed at 1.45, I've a had a fun fiver on Westwood.
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Ken, what on earth did you expect to happen during those two weeks that would have a material effect on the prices?
Swann winning the Ashes almost single handed MAY have had a big reduction in his price, but it would have been at the effect of the others, Mccoy would still have a huge favourite for the reasons I explained earlier. Laying at evens and waiting for a drift was foolish, as there was no reason to expect his price to go out, whilst there was every reason to expect it to go the other way. Simple as that, really. |
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He did drift, to 13/10 actually, but I didn't lay him
to trade,but because I didn't think he could win for various reasons, (bad event for favourites, racing not a sport in some eyes, his personality etc). What he had in his favour was in the end, no credible opposition. Well done AP.    |
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turtleshead 12 Dec 10 18:10
Mccoy should be 1/2 or less, he's absolutely nailed on, as said there's been a campaign for ages in the racing industry to get people to vote for him. Both golfers will split the vote from their supporters, and in fact are excellent lays for top 3. Hope a few took note, they would have cleaned up, especially on Mcdowell |
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Turtles, there's nothing worse than people quoting themselves, it's a bit like seeing some vain person playing with their hair in the mirror.
Obviously you don't think McCoy could have lost, which makes you wrong. :) |
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Oh dear Trevh, I take it you lost and are wishing that you had followed some well reasoned advice instead of making what looks like a jealous rant? I can think of plenty worse things on here than pointing out a previous sensible post which worked out as expected, but each to their own.
Never mind, we can't all be winners  |
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I just find it immature and cringe worthy, that's all.
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kenny and trev backing each other up on the same thread with similar style writing...has this ever happened before?
lol! just kidding, i love you both. Today has been 1 of the best day of my life..wish you 'both' (the 'two' of you!) well.....gay lovers or the same person, who will ever know? lol ; ) |
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in 'related' [:(] news ? what kind of sad loser creates two forum 'personalities' just to be heard? er...
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What he had in his favour was in the
end, no credible opposition. Well done AP Ken what he had was an organised campaign. He won primarily for that reason and would still have won even if England had done well in the 3rd test. 1. Tony McCoy 293,152 (41.98%) 2. Phil Taylor 72,095 (10.33) 3. Jessica Ennis 62,953 (9.02) |
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kenilworth I think it's pretty obvious from my posts who I thought would win. Both you and Roy Brindley (some poker pundit on ATR) thought he was a big lay and I said you should stick to the day job.
There were several good reasons to back him which were being ignored and there was one, what I think was a flimsy reason, to lay him which imo didnt stand up to scrutiny, and this one reason was being used above all else to make the bet a big lay. Further you used golf as your main danger as it was a bigger sport, totally unaware that golf has a poor record in this event and ignoring the fact there were 2 golfers in the line up. Clarke was well beat by Zara Phillips 4 years ago when a hot 1.3 favourite and in 2004 the only year when there's been a PV for the team award the Ryder Cup was odds on and got beat by the rowers. Throw in 6 time major winner and long time world number one Nick Faldos record in this event...1 win and no places, golf is far from a sport to fear. I thought the were 2 plausible dangers...a campaign for Phil Taylor (although The Power wasnt helped that the WCs were on Sky at exactly the same time) or an Ashes Swann inspired victory. You didnt mention either and as it turns out the margin of victory was so big that its hard to imagine either would have made a difference. 2 things surprised me... 1. The margin of victory, I was thinking double the next person 2. How well Westwood did. I thought he'd finish 8th |
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CLYDEBANK29
I vaguely recall that our swords may have crossed in the past. Whether they have or have not may I say that I cannot fault your logic and I am most impressed with your observations and not just because they mirror mine. The margin of victory surpised me too. The odds only went to 1.3 in-play which must say something for the integrity of beebs phone vote as it must have been clear to anybody in the know that this was a forgone conclusion and worth smashing into 1.01. Perhaps the insiders just hope to milk it again next year for a modest amount. Ken, I noted that you said Pros do not bet on SPOTY. They may not gamble but they do place bets, I can assure you of that. |
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,I'm not sure about the professional punters and Spoty
Alex, that's what I said about the professionals and Spoty. |
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ALL of the racing fraternity must have voted about 200 times each --
an absolute farce . No phuocker watches racing anymore - of all my workmates i'm the only one . An absolute shambolic episode . |
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Didn't play the market but did observe the build-up.
Golf - I was a keen amateur and have followed golf since I was 4 or 5, lived through the evolutions and agree that golf has an uphill battle for recognition in the SP. And, unlike some sports that can still offer voting to more than one person in the same field, golf cannot and the vote would have been split. Golf has its 'glory moments' and though they are often fantastic and memorable, they are that - moments. The horse racing campaign - It is a phone vote. Plenty of millionaires out there in all the sports. Plenty of sponsors who need their athlete to win. Plenty of agents in several fields with cash flow. But the number of overall votes doesn't reflect that those who could ran up the premium rate calls with miscellaneous funds. Racing did organize themselves but there were plenty within the fraternity that didn't think he would win (almost every day over the past month on internet radio, someone commented. Racing is in a dire state and needs an industry boost. This may not bring more punters to the gates but for a week, the media will be there and within those who work and an earn a living from the sport, perhaps a moral boost for them during the tough economic times. |
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Kenilworth 20 Dec 10 15:24
,I'm not sure about the professional punters and Spoty Alex, that's what I said about the professionals and Spoty. What did you say? I thought you expessed the view that pro punters did not place bets on the likes of SPOTY. I took the opposite view. |
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Professional punters wouldn't bet in specials markets.
It's a mugs game :) |
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lol
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It is because it is a mugs game that they do. [;)]
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Alex, I said in an earlier post that ''I wasn't sure''. That is different
from saying ''pro punters did not place bets on the likes of SPOTY''. Why are you having a problem with did not and I wasn't sure ? |
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Ken,
It is probably because I have broken my glasses and am having difficulty in focusing on the screens. |
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The viewing figures Sky gets compared to the Beeb may prove the key here.
During the Ryder Cup about 650k viewers watched each day's play. The US Open is of course covered by Sky also. GMAC hadlittle chance on Sunday. 10m saw AP ride to victory at Aintree and apparently the Bookies took a £10m hit on the race, suggesting massive support for the winner. The surprise was the exclusion of Beth Tweddle from the list. She won the Worlds this year ON the Beeb. Daly won the Commonwealths in contrast. Very hard for Haye to get any support in SPOTY with a pay per view deal. Jess Ennis won the Europeans and World Indoors. Clearly her looks help her but Tweddle was a shocking omission imo. Basically SPOTY is something of an embarrasment. It's largely dictated by who has the tv rights to what. |