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Agree thay you need to state the Betfair odds when you give the results . Some of the odds you get on Betfair for the dogs are crazy, often in double figures.
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As a bit of fun because you seem to want a challenge i will post lays for the two morning programmes. It took me 10 minutes to do it and i rarely bet on the dogs. Just a bit of fun and an experiment to see if i can get lucky so to speak.
Notts Lays 11.03 T1 11.19 T5 11.34 T1 11.48 T5 12.04 T5 12.18 T6 12.32 T1 12.47 T6 1.04 T5 1.19 T6 1.33 T2 1.51 T4 Perry Barr Lays 11.11 T4 11.28 T5 11.42 T1 11.57 T6 12.12 T5 12.27 T5 12.42 T2 12.58 T1 1.12 T5 1.27 T4 1.44 T6 2.03 T2 |
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Notts:
11.03 t1 11.19 t3 11.34 t5 11.48 t6 12.04 t5 12.18 t6 12.32 t2 12.47 t4 13.04 t3 13.19 t2 13.33 t1 13.51 t4 Perry: 11.11 t1 11.28 t1 11.42 t1 11.57 t5 12.12 t1 12.27 t5 12.42 t3 12.58 t1 13.12 t5 13.27 t4 13.44 t4 14.02 t4 |
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Last one a perry is 14.03 not 14.02***
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I know f*Ck all about greyhound racing but whenever I watch the markets nothing happens until the last minute or two. is this people watching the dogs coming out or what ?
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On here I think it has a lot to do with the races being so close together, say somebody has a fiver on a race at 11.13 and the next race is at 11.20 a lot of people will wait until their bets from the previous race have settled before they do anything on the next race. But their will be people who wait for the prices to settle so they can pick the true favs etc.
just a thought. |
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Picked a winner there myself, it went off at 4.4 so wouldn't have been to hard on the bank.
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Oh and just for the record... when I first posted here and said 'selling my lay selections' I meant actually posting the bets for a couple of quid not selling them to others to lay!!!!
Im not that desperate for £2!!! ha |
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4.4 ain't too bad at all, if I cant get my lays matched for 7 or less I leave it well alone.
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Rocket
I think they're all just trying to decide which one is the best looking. |
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Thats seems the problem Ryan, you do get some high odds on the dogs.
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True, I try to keep my max liability to £12 or less so I can lay a dog at 7 for £2 or a dog at 4 for £4 etc
to avoid any massive losses |
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Gee does 6*2 =12 ?
Well I never. Now there's a selection criterium for you. Very scientific. Btw it seems to be widely accepted knowledge by the " pros " on here that laying the really long odds in sports betting is where the true value is. Not so to you though ? Why would that be ? Just curious. |
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Ryan88.. years ago i made a book at the white city Manchester one of the first in the country to cover BAGS you would be lucky to hold 1500 quid per meeting there was 8 races then .. if they came for a fav strong it sluzzed in ..
Bags is cannon foder for the betting shops .. |
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Showing your age again Zipper.
Ryan's a " modern " boy, sorry man, isn't it obvious ? |
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Frog Get yourself a pitch on any Bags Track .. you will learn more in a month than listing too new boys on here no offence
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Wouldn't expect I would last 5 mins let alone a month.
Same for most truth be told. |
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fafh... not entirely true mate. over the past 7 years, at sunderland you would be right, not so at swindon though, so it depends on the track and the experience of the grader imho.
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Irshone .. graders on the dogs i could name two Robert Rowe senior grader at the top London tracks for 25 years now working Belle Vue Manchester ... and MR Gent Himself.... Mr Eddie Thomas At The White City Manchester ...
Horses MR Phill Smith . them were the days .... |
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been down this road many many times with the dogs, id be shocked if theres anybody in the uk today who has watched more dog races and compiled more stats than i did in 2008/9, i couldnt make it pay. i did everything i possibly could to find a stats/form reading method of selecting greyhounds, more than on any other sport ive ever attempted to specialise in. theres so many races everyday and i love the sport, which kept me going alot longer than i probably should have, i wasted alot of time and money trying to make it pay. my longest ever winning run was laying the dogs, 39 in a row picking 3 a day, all of my biggest wins have been on the greyhounds backing.
if i could lay at the bookies prices then id be typing this message half p1ssed from my yaucht in monaco, betfairs 100% markets and % take from winning bets eats away at any hope you ever have making it stick long term. infact towards the end i trialled backing the dogs i rated as being the very worst, it was almost a break even system ffs. on the plus side, it led me onto something that i would never have discovered without the legwork, so i never look back with regrets, but please be honest with yourself Ryan with the prices and returns your settling this trial to. a dog thats 6/1 on course can be anything between 7.0 and 40.0 on here. also consider that unless youre planning on sitting by your computer from 11am till 10pm at night, theres no way to get these lays on at reasonable prices, automated software can help, but if theres a delay then you'll start feeding money into markets too early for the rest of the day. good luck though lad maybe youve got something about you that i dont. |
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Ishone, And Frog, Heres a story that is completely true.Many years ago Manchester had a champion Ballinska Band who won the Puppy Cup , the grader at that time , told me while we were having a drink in the bar after racing that its the best dog I've ever seen.It ran in 2 Derbys, in them days there were 6 rounds. In its first Derby it won all 5 rounds, started odds on in the final & got beat. Next year, same again.My point is it won 10 out of twelve but lost when it mattered.Aint that heartbreaking for the owner Mr Bacci.
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ryan are you just laying dogs with a negative comment in RP?
i went through your first six or seven races and most were big prices......none were favs or second favs contráry to your comment |
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similar to toomaline this year, ballinska was 70's wasnt it ? im sure i saw it...
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think bob rowe was my old boss at the don in the 70's .. am i right ?
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iqmc ... the poor lad hasn't a scoobydooo mate
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Zipper,think your memory has let you down,Balliniska Band won the 1977 derby in a new tr of 29.16.I agree with your point even though the example was wrong.
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Irishone if you dont know who you are.. How the hell would i know .... its only a bit of fun
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as you well know zipper your mind starts to go as the grey hairs multiply mate ...
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mr rowe was comical, used to run out of the office when certain owners rang in .....
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Clacherholiday .. A very good post .. well done hope these kids can learn from your experence ....very well put .
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My age... 22. But none the less the dogs I layed today were just for fun on this thread, I havent had time to place any bets yet today and din't have time to have a proper look at any form so yes, a lot of the dogs today will be rags and not 2nd favs etc
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I'm lucky in that respect clacher , i teach stats and a bit of programming part-time in a college so i get the students to analyse the stats for me as part of their coursework. Some of the things they come up with absolutely blow your mind, i have to check them sometimes to see if they are true and nine times out of ten it comes back to rank bad grading at the track.
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"din't have time to have a proper look at any form "
oh dear  |
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I finished :-
10/12 successful lays at Notts  12/12 successful lays at Perry Barr [:D] How did you do Ryan? Nothing wrong with having a bit of fun in this game mate and one thing i have learnt is that you are never to old to learn [;)] |
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clacherholiday2, just read your post... Im using betfair for recreational purposes and not to make money long term, making a few quid is just a bonus but obviously I dont wanna lose my small bank in a hurry. I'll take the dogs ive layed today in this thread, 8/10 correct at notts... Im not saying I would actually have layed every dog I chose out of the 10 races, I would only have layed the dogs I chose if the price was right. however the 2 winners i layed may have been the only 2 dogs out of the 10 that i felt i could lay so i would obviously be at a loss.
Great post. |
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10/12 at notts and
12/12 at perry bar... same lol |
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Hector your post 14.00 you are right Balliska Band did indeed win the 1977 Greyhounds Derby in record time 29.16. but has you get older the mind plays tricks ...well done
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Zipper ive had a think about it (doesnt usually help) was it Myretown and Balliniska getting mixed around.No doubt its winning when it really matters that counts.
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irishone
I'm lucky in that respect clacher , i teach stats and a bit of programming part-time in a college so i get the students to analyse the stats for me as part of their coursework. Some of the things they come up with absolutely blow your mind, i have to check them sometimes to see if they are true and nine times out of ten it comes back to rank bad grading at the track. very true, some of the upgrades/downgrades can often appear totally random when viewed through maths specs. anybody who is studying greyhound form needs to stay very focussed on what it is they are looking for, when 2 dogs run 400 meters they have the difference between them measured in tenths of a second, its not as clear cut as the numbers have us believe. itd be interesting to see what the students came up with, assuming they were fresh to gambling. did they pick winners? |
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Hector your right it was Myretown not sure about the spelling owned by F Curwen the presidant of the course club sorry for the spelling .. but zip has a few over the top . Good man You
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