It would be interesting

And to pre-empt the usual replies from the usual suspects, fishing is not my preferred sport.
OK ? Not looking for any secrets, just looking for generalised thoughts on the subject.

It would be interesting I agree, but I can't think of any use it would have either.

I'm a serious football punter, with a bit of tennis and snooker for fun, and occasionaly try something different in the horse markets for minimum stakes, and my age... have a guess lol.

I would be on a hiding to nothing in trying to guess anyone's age on here.

btw how old are you FAFH ???

The best I could guess about you trevh is that you sound young and eager to learn. OK ?
Me ? I would suppose I sound either old and cynical or young and naive ?

Btw I only bet on football not because of my age, but because it is essentially the only sport that I feel is not fixed to any material degree.
I do not trust individual type sports at all, and HR seems to me to be widely regarded as being at worst fixed, or at best very much an inside knowledge type betting scenario.
But having said that, I do acknowledge that certain people have some very honest, superior betting skills in all these sports I don't favour.

well the first impression you gave me FAFH i was convinced you were quite young but now i really dont know

im 39

i bet mainly football and try my luck at Horse racing but my bottom line is negative, i also have a go at tennis, in the big tournaments only

i  dont touch anything else

Lusi
Old enough to take you on eh ?
Just joking as per usual.

Take Zipper on here.
He's admitted to being almost 66 and seems to bet pretty much entirely on HR.
Is he typical of that age group ?
Probably not, as there is no real logical reason why it should be so.
The more interesting point would perhaps how many young people these days do all the hard work and study to get the deep knowledge needed to bet on the horses ?.

I'm 43, but young and eager to learn will do fine. I had Lusti down as 35-45 and a sensible experienced punter, and Frog as perhaps 50's and cynical yes, but that's a good thing.

Frog, you mention Zipper, he/she is a strange character, I don't know where you get 65 from but s/he has also claimed to be an octogenarian, and a couple of years ago seriously claimed to actually be a women, and went into some detail about her reasons for pretending to be a man on the forum (sounds bizzare I know). So now I don't know what to make of him/her, but each to their own.

I must admit that was all news to me the stuff about Zipper.
He/she certainly walks to the beat of a different drummer.
Very amusing though.

how old are u froggy?

A gentleman or a lady never reveals his age.
So I hear you saying, what has that got to do with me. Right ?

Btw I choose not to reveal it, because as I said in the thread intro I actually believe it is of no real value for anyone to know anyone else's age on here, unless perhaps some paricular remark is prefaced by a phrase such as ' In all my years of experience in such and such ---- ".
I will admit to however not acting my age many times, especially on here.

Btw if you can't tell the age of someone from his posting style, then you could quite rightly ask how could you expect it to tell you anything at all about his/her betting style.
End of I suppose.

It's no value at all no, but it can be fun. How about you Avocado, I have you down as 19 to 22?

I'm 27

i dont care very much how old someone is, even more here in the forum but i must admit that i dont have a lot of patience for the younger guys and their usual arrogance (i guess i was like them also at the age)

maybe it has something to do with my army background since i was there for a few years

but hopefuly in betting terms aging is a good thing until some point in time, for instance, in poker tournaments you see that the younger guys have an edge just because of that natural arrogance/aggressiveness that really helps in terms of how the game is played (here because the primary objective is to avoid going broke on the long run you need a different mind set)

Froggie, Just FYI from my pc statement


Last Week25/10/10 - 31/10/10
Gross PL    £    1,125.96

Never touch the geegees unless I have a clear advantage. Made a tidy profit on the Melbourne cup even though it could have been a race between 3 legged donkeys for all I know or care.

I'm 12.

Frog  zip  does  horses only .. why me dad was  a bookies runner  and god bless him he went round the pubs  picking up  bets  (1950 )but before  he handed them over to the  fat bookie  all those he did not fancy he  kept.. put bread on the table and a smile on mums face .. later on he showed  me the ropes and ive  been hooked ever since .. Dads  died a very happy man   and yes  i am 66  on Saturday 6th November .

gart = FAFH [nap]

FFS, even the lack of paragraph structure in their posting is the same!

A bit out there steering buddy.
I'm not sure gart would take it too kindly also.
Hardly a compliment.

It's possible to make an educated guess of age
based on two things IMO. The forum name and to
a greater degree, the use of bad language.

Fckin hell, I'm in trouble now.

Seriously K, does one's potty mouth become worse or better with age.

Frog - My local bookies i find myself as one of the youngest every time i go in, im 44. Even FOBT players are older there.
Maybe the youngsters have more sense. My lads more into poker.

FAFH, I think the ''potty mouth'' improves
with maturity. Have you not noticed that I
never, ever use expletives ?

Yep you're very controlled K in that area.
I thought perhaps you were just the religious type.
Let's face it, you think you're God on here.
Please, please take that as the joke ( bad perhaps) that it's meant to be.

Shanelee
Yep I was actually really thinking more about whether younger punters are as much into HR as older punters.
Will they put the required hoours in to learn in depth about all the intricacies of that particular sport.
Other sports are relatively simple in that respect.
Not that they don't require study etc, but to basically understand are far simpler.

if younger punters dont eventually bet on horse racing even if they started on football betting it would really amaze me, horse racing has...lots of races, every 5 minutes or so, the outcome is ultra fast comparing to football and even more to tennis, seems quite simple, all you need is to look at recent form (although we all know that it isnt), you have multiple outcomes possibilties instead of 3 in football match odds (W,D,L)and two in tennis (player A vs player B), its ultra exciting to watch... of course all this on an entrie level

i think everything about horse racing should appeal to the younger punters

but there are a lot of things about horse racing that are really badly done like the rankings, the never ending variations of race types and distances, the ten thousand names the same type of races have, etc etc

thats what in the end makes the sport really difficult to grasp

Some good points there Lusi.
I grew up in a family environment where no HR punting, or in fact no punting at all, was done.
Hence I only came into betting via my personal grown up interests, and that was not HR.
I think a lot of people, certainly in the past, were introduced to HR punting by the fact that it really used to be the only thing one's father could bet on, if he was a betting man.

exactly like me FAFH, im one of a kind in my family

my journey to get here started in the stock exchanges where i got introduced to all this world of investing/speculating, i soon realized that i needed huge amounts of money to make it work unless i was willing to trade on margins which i wasnt, never felt confortable risking anything that wasnt mine to begin with, then i had a couple of years where i played poker from sunrise to sunset or better from sunset to sunrise , i played mostly poker tournaments and although i didnt do bad i also didnt do as much as i wanted and playing tournaments that lasted 5 or more hours with small breaks was beginning to take a toll on me and then i also started to doubt the fairness/cheating of the poker sites which lead me to lose confidence and pleasure in what i was doing, mainly because when i played in live tournaments everything felt, again, right
i still play but just for fun and with no big objectives in mind
poker sites got me naturally in contact with betting sites and the rest is history

FINE AS FROG HAIR   
Yep you're very controlled K in that area.
I thought perhaps you were just the religious type.
Let's face it, you think you're God on here.
Please, please take that as the joke ( bad perhaps) that it's meant to be.

Maybe a joke but you typed it in, and pressed the button. Uncalled for in
the circumstances, but I will refrain from responding.

Ken, if you pay me 50k i will do a hit on him

Get a life K, or better still get a sense of humour, which will axiomatically get you a life.
I have no time for people who cannot laugh at themselves.
Or were you joking ?

And me?
I'm the devil incarnate as has been said innumerable times on here.
And they weren't joking.

A
Would that be before or after you would pay back the loan you were asking me for ?
My heirs would like to know.

hi frogspawn. i might not need your loan if i can win a few bets in a row

He's admitted to being almost 66 and seems to bet pretty much entirely on HR.
Is he typical of that age group ?
Probably not, as there is no real logical reason why it should be so.

The logical reason that older punters favour HR over any other sport is because when they were younger, HR WAS betting. Sports betting has only developed in the past 20 or so years. I found a Laddies guide from the mid 70s, and of 36 pages, all but 1/2 a page were devoted to HR and some Greyhounds. http://green-all-over.blogspot.com/2010/10/purging-history.html

Even fixed odds coupons are relatively new. It was a different world for betting just a few years ago. Reading Derek McGovern's 1999 book "On Sports Betting...And How To Make It Pay" and it really is astonishing that just twenty or so years ago, there was no coverage of other sports in any of the sports papers. For that reason, I doubt you'd find too many older people who trade the NBA or NFL games. Old dogs and new tricks.

FAFH,
If I might be so bold as to make a comment about your "Get a life K,..." retort to dear Mr. Ken.

You may already know this and indeed it maybe an intentional modus operandi of yours on here, but I suspect not:

After you make a joke at someones expense, ( and I chuckled abit, sorry Ken ) and that person comes back with a response indicating (rightly or wrongly) they have failed to see the funny side of it. It is surely good manners, (which regardless of whether good manners are due or not) to offer an appology and a re-explanation and reassurance that no malice was intended.
If after that, the sense of humour failure is still apparent then at least you are afforded the knowledge that you went the extra mile in an attempt to stop the thread degenerating into another car crash as so many of your threads seem to do.


I read your posts and threads alot, and from an outsiders point of view, it seems that it is your counter quip response that possibly oversteps the line of good decorum, not the initial one. And a good example of what I mean is this case, it is this 2nd comeback that you should possibly swallow.


Please feel free to ignore or misunderstand the point, of which I am failing to convey clearly.


I think there are alot of forumites who enjoy when a thread degenerates into a slagging match and I hope they forgive me for passing water onto their fire.


I shall step back out of this one now.

Escapee
Fair enough observation.
If K comes back on, still demanding an apology for what was quite obviously just a joke, and his nose is eally out of joint on it all, I shall of course aplogize. In fact  I will do it right now, so that he doesn't even have to come back and ask.
I agree that sometimes ( most times ?)  I don't think too much about others' sensitivities when I post, and a lot of what I post could be considered to be in quite bad taste.
But I seriously don't intend to harm anybody or destroy anybody's confidence in themselves.
People can and do take any pot shots at me as much and as freely as they want, and as long as they don't expect me to crawl into a corner somewhere and cry, then expect me to come back hard and furious.
Just my nature. But I won't ever accept cheap shots which are totally untrue and extremely vitriolic, as the recent completely unfounded racist taunt made at me by you know whom. Just not on at all imo.
But I will try to ease up deliberately on those that I sense are of a more delicate nature.
But let's face it, delicate fragile psyches and the world of full time pro or serious amateur gambling don't really make good bed mates. Not to me they don't that is.

FAFH you must admit that every thread you start somehow always manage to get to this point, i know that its probably in your nature to give that type of answer but its always hard to understand when you are joking or making an ironic remark or you are giving a straight answer

i laugh most of the time but and i've read enough of your answers to give it a good discount but sometimes i need to figure them out

people dont lose confidence in themselves they just lose confidence regarding commenting your statements because they dont have a clue about your reactions to  some pretty banal things

i think the key word is "proportionality"

i've also noticed that you are aware of this since i now see you using the "just joking" a lot, so i guess you are trying

Lusi
Yes I am trying, very trying you might say.
Once again, like Escapee before you, I thank you for your well meaning comments and will try to take them on board.
I suppose it is most apt on this thread to use the phrase that you can't teach new tricks to old dogs.
But we'll give it a go. What's to lose in trying.?
Btw in K's case, maybe he was just coming off a bad series of results in the Europa league last night.?
That is one thing you do have to take into account on here.
You never how badly stressed out anybody is at any particular time, due to unfortunate hits taking place to their betting accounts.
Not that they would necessarily admit it though.

FAFH, some times I get tired trying to laugh
at the same joke theme. Maybe I should try harder.

In response to the OP I'd say that its the "betting age" of the bettor which shows this migration, not necessarily the direct age of the bettor.

Someone new to betting might start off on two/three outcome events such as tennis and football (play what you know), then as they get a taste for it and expend more time on it - go foraging for other markets.

I'm in the 30-40 yr bracket and do love a good horse race - but if I'm honest it was the frequency of opportunity more than the sport itself that got me started on the nags. The knowledge to spot an opportunity was gained from cutting my teeth on football, tennis and darts.

This of course neglects the oldie old punters who had little choice but for nag/dog betting in B.C. times. (before countdown)

Frog - My lad and his mates view racing as something for old men (ie me) They have found to their expense that its quite difficult
to brake even, let alone make a profit. They see it as outdated & irrelevant. The local bookies they sometimes use has also put them off, now usually bet online & on here.

by "modern punter" do you mean those who are too thick to bet on events with more than two participants ?

Apology not required, I just wonder as to why the ''God'' jibe
was necessary within the theme of the thread, a bit gratuitous I
thought, but perhaps on his previous asides re ''God'' the
required response he got was unsatisfactory, hence a reminder
as to how funny he thought it was. I wonder if he can accept digs
in the way he likes to dish them out.

by "modern punter" do you mean those who are too thick to bet on events with more than two participants ?

'modern punters' have more choice and can therefore bypass the dull sports, such as horseracing