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Why do bookies bother printing prices on their coupons?
Why do bookies bother printing prices on their coupons?
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I beieve something was in development a few years back which printed a current coupon in shop with the correct prices on request
It would be trivial task to set up a terminal to print out current prices on request and have prices valid for next hour or so wouldnt it? It seems to me the shops like it the way it is as the errors are in their favour. |
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Banks 22 Jul 10 11:01
Banks They Rules Was Nothing Short Than Murder Those Years Ago It wasn`t the bookmakers who imposed the 5 fold/treble rule. Who then, and why? |
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The FA due to earlier scandals. Used to be maximum 5 draws as well so's not to impact on the pools.
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You Could Have A Double At The Horses But Not A Home Team Double
Say Wolves/Bristol City Min 5 Home Teams ROBBERY How Times Have Changed |
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theresbeenagoal
It's fair to expect a coupon IN THEIR SHOP to be displaying the correct price AT THE TIME YOU PICK IT UP surely? Completely unrealistic. Coupons are printed up to a week before matches are played and some prices may have changed before going on display I imagine. To do what you want would require a coupon printing machine on hand in every shop of the particular chain, all ready to pump out coupons at request. lol. As I said earlier, what's wrong with Joe Punter confirming prices on his tenner treble with the counter staff ? This argument reminds me of a football match where every player on the field is trying to cheat the ref and when one is successful, the arbiter gets the blame for a poor decision. |
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reminds me why not to go into bookies shops
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It seems to me the shops like it the way it is as the errors are in their favour.
Surely if one team is cut the other will go out to a bigger price? |
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Any business that had any respect for its customers would ensure that the correct prices were given at all times. The fact that bookies allow the present situation to continue shows two things; first it benefits them, second the contempt they have for their customers. Nothing will change so its Buyer Beware.
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The fact that bookies allow the present situation to continue shows two things; first it benefits them, second the contempt they have for their customers.
How about a 3rd option? The only reason bookmakers put prices on coupons is because punters are dinosaurs and still expect this to be done despite the fact that the removal of the 5 folds/trebles rule plus the advent of exchanges has meant that there will inevitably be loads of price changes. Do you expect a fixed odds racing coupon? A fixed odds cricket coupon? You accept that you will get all the prices for every single other sport from the screens/info finding terminals yet for football this doesn`t seem acceptable. Nowt as strange as folk. |
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What a bizarre post. Bookies print coupons because they want to encourage accumulators.
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Kenilworth, last post on the subject as I'm going round in circles. Price change, Friday 4pm, Dundee Utd v St Mirren now 8/13 12/5 9/2 (I know, highly unrealistic a betting shop working to 111% but bear with me), Crawley v Oxford now 8/11 9/4 10/3. How hard is it for a member of shop staff to go out and change all the coupons in the shop?
The answer is, not very. The firms do not have the volition to ensure that this simple task is completed (shops are under resourced and staff under-trained/ incapable). I don't know what you're lol-ing about having a printer in each shop to print out a coupon on request either as I believe this was in development/ under test a few years back. It costs a pretty penny to out-source printing coupons in the first place, as you probably know. Again, firms have every right to make coupon changes, they have to be comfortable in the prices they trade, but it is wrong that the prices they trade are often advertised incorrectly by their representatives. |
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What a bizarre post. Bookies print coupons because they want to encourage accumulators.
Ron I was merely refering to the inclusion prices on coupons not the abolition of coupons altogether. They could still print coupons with all the matches on just with no prices. That would still encourage the multiple bets. Bookmakers have long considered whether to get rid of coupons and the only reason they don`t is because punters don`t like change. The downside is of course the increasing number of price changes which make the coupons virtually redundant some weeks. |
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How hard is it for a member of shop staff to go out and change all the coupons in the shop?
The answer is, not very.  good luck telling maureen about oxford changing from 8/11 to 4/6, when bargain hunt is on |
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It's ridiculous to expect staff to change prices on all the coupons. For one thing, despite what Banks has said, bookies have no intention of getting rid of coupons and are in fact introducing more different slips all the time so there would now be literally hundreds of coupons to amend. Secondly, it is unnecessary as the tills come up with an alert when a match with a price change has been selected and it is up to the cashier to inform the customer if they have selected a match with a price change. Whether the customer gets to find out at the time probably depends on the ability of the cashier or even on the nature of the bet: if it's just one match in a 50p 10-fold then it probably won't be mentioned but, if it's on a £50 treble, for example, then the cashier should certainly be informing the customer and are failing in their job if they do not.
As for printers in shops, they do exist but are only in a few selected branches, probably about 1 in every 30 branches of the larger firms. If necessary, shops without a printer can go that branch to get extra coupons printed. Anyway, I think people are exaggerating the number of price changes on the coupons. It probably happens more on foreign football matches where the odds compilers are less clued up about the teams. In the English leagues, price changes are the exception rather than the rule and I would nine times out of ten, the odds that are advertised are the odds you receive. |
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Simple solution have a board next to the coupon rack displaying the price changes. Seen a few bookies do it and seems to work ok.
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Simple solution have a board next to the coupon rack displaying the price changes. Seen a few bookies do it and seems to work ok.
You would need one hell of a big board. |
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Kenilworth showing his ignorance yet again. Some firms (betfred, many independents etc) have in shop coupon printing as standard. So no idea why the concept is so amusing to ole ken. I suspect kenilworth's comments might hold some merit in 1995 but they are nothing short of laughable in 2010
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Sorry to bring it up again but can someone tell me what it is the cashier wrote on my slip?
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Rocket,
That's just the cashier's initials. Hills staff are instructed to initial prices they write on the slip just to show it is them who have laid the price and not the customer. Nothing sinister going on there! |
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Didcot, are you telling me that when there is a price change, all the existing
coupons are scrapped and new ones are printed in shop ? |
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Cheers wizard
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kenilworth Joined: 04 Nov 05
Replies: 2714 23 Jul 10 15:11 Didcot, are you telling me that when there is a price change, all the existing coupons are scrapped and new ones are printed in shop ? what i wrote was very self exlainatory ken. permit me to reiterrate. some firms have in shop coupon printing where they print new coupons every day or more frequently (depending on demand) showing the price changes. on occasions where an old coupon, or out of date price is given on a quickslip the EPOS system will promt the cashier that there has been a price change on selection x. Now if the bet in question is a 50p 10-fold i can understand not bothering to tell the customer, but if it is a decent sized bet it is inexcusable practice IMO. |
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So regards the opening post, how would the punter know
the price (9/5) was gone unless he asked for confirmation of same ? |
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he doesn't need to ask. all hills coupons are mark sense and when put scanned the system will prompt the cashier that "the price has changed from 9/5 to 6/4, Ok or cancel"
at this point the cashier should tell the customer. they obviously didn't out of sheer laziness. i'd imagin it's company policy to do so. granted 6/4 would have been clearly printed on the ticket. |
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He didn't bother to look at the receipt, but you (and him) chose
to blame the counter assistant for not telling him, because he/she ''was too lazy''. Was he (the punter) not a bit lazy ? Don't you think some punters are their own worse enemy at times ? |
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kenilworth,
You're right, customers should check the receipt to make sure the details are correct. However, the main responsibility lies with the cashier to inform the customer at the point of acceptance. Soccergeez is entitled to expect the odds that are printed on the coupon will be the odds he'll receive. The cashier should not assume the customer will still want to place the bet if the returns will be lower. |
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Wizard, if I had a bet in a betting office, taking a price which
would be my reason for the bet, I would be making sure I got the price I wanted. I would also feel as it is my money, I have the ultimate resonsibility, and after all, the confirmation only takes a few seconds. I don't feel I am entitled to expect the price on the coupon to be the same as I recieve, especially as we know that prices are ''subject to fluctation'', and do fluctuate a lot. Just a view. GL. |
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You don't think the cashier has any responsibility?
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Not knowing what instruction she works under, it may be that
the receipt issued clears her, besides there would be no come back on her, would there ? I still think the punter has the ultimate as it is his money that is involved, not hers. I used to work on course where it was a bit trickier, as the bets were verbal rather than written, but the receipt was crucial and important for the punter to check, something they didn't always do. We had the odd dispute but nothing that wasn't resolved. Betting shop punters are very spoiled in my view. |
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I'm pretty sure all coupons say "prices subject to fluctuation" these days. It's too costly to reproduce coupons for every change, and changes are few and far between imo. Do you know what's funny? When a team's price comes in, the draw and/or the other team's price drifts. No-one ever complains when they're on the 'right' side of a price change though.
Punters need to wake up to the (not 'illegal') practices of bookmakers and make sure that they adapt. |
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omg, anyone still moaning that the shops/cashiers should be doing this or that. They aren't, apart from those print coupons etc. That's all there is to it.
Check the price & make sure you are happy with what you leave the shop with. Do you check your change? Of course you do. ffs. |
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DaveEdwards, you are not suggesting that betting shop punters
take resposibility for getting their own bets on correctly, are you ? |
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you are a fool kenilworth.when i worked in a bookmakers and was presented with a bet that had a price on it,i checked the price was correct and initialed it.if the price was not the same as the customer had on the docket i would inform him and ask what he would like to do (ie take correct price,sp or leave the bet) i dont see how the clampits employed these days with all their computerised tills etc cant do the same.
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This thread is a classic, feck you, no feck you thread.
Coupons are a r s e paper no more, no less. |
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jason, your post doesn't merit a response. You truly
are a very rude idiot. |
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What about the scenario where the receipt has the 'correct' price (generated from the coupon) on it but when you go to collect they they pull the "oh that price changed before you put the bet on, coupon says prices subject to fluctuation blah, blah". That happened to me a few times, not for big money but bu11sh1t anyway.
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If you keep getting shafted. Maybe remove yourself from the shaft zone would be the best bet.
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Jason, the bottom line is that an awful lot of the staff behind the counter these days don't know the time of day. Regardless of what their company may expect of them if they are on minimum wage you quite often get minimum effort on their part.
There is no point moaning about this. If you bet over the counter then you must get the person to check the price at the time of placing your bet. It is a shame that during the race for profits by the larger companies a lot of the older style shop staff who really understood the game have moved on. |
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See above.
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loadabolex..why should staff check your bet....any price on any event will fluctuate;if your that dumb dont go in there.............aint rocket science...checking any price....footer coupons are in on tuesday..you think every single price be the same for sat...lol.
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