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I don't recall seeing any announcement from BF that they we're going to introduce an increased bet processing delay for the world cup.
Why they have chosen to do so is bizarre as it's pretty bloody obvious nobody has any sort of time advantage that would warrant such a decision.
I would ask why it has neither been mentioned or consulted upon, but that seems to be the way with these muppets nowadays.
Well done BF, you've found an innovative & excellent way to reduce liquidity on a tournament that you basically redesigned your whole homepage for.
These first 2 matches have turned over not much more than an IPL 20-20 match.
Clueless pillocks imo.
Why they have chosen to do so is bizarre as it's pretty bloody obvious nobody has any sort of time advantage that would warrant such a decision.
I would ask why it has neither been mentioned or consulted upon, but that seems to be the way with these muppets nowadays.
Well done BF, you've found an innovative & excellent way to reduce liquidity on a tournament that you basically redesigned your whole homepage for.
These first 2 matches have turned over not much more than an IPL 20-20 match.
Clueless pillocks imo.
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Increased bet delay?
6 seconds is LESS than the 7 or 9 seconds often offered.
6 seconds is LESS than the 7 or 9 seconds often offered.
I'm not talking about mickey mouse spanish or continental domestic football.
This is the main event.
A 6 sec spinning clock is utterly ridiculous & not justifiable. It protects no-one & hinders everyone.
This is the main event.
A 6 sec spinning clock is utterly ridiculous & not justifiable. It protects no-one & hinders everyone.
So what are you talking about/comparing it to?
What delay would you think acceptable? I think they've got it spot on.
What delay would you think acceptable? I think they've got it spot on.
If you knew how much the BBC coverage was delayed you'd want them to increase the delay.
clydebank that is nonsense. the pan european feeds are relatively synchrinous. There is no sat lag. They are all provided from the same source.
rocket - well what can I say, you obviously think you know a lot about this stuff. lol.
rocket - well what can I say, you obviously think you know a lot about this stuff. lol.
Not at all, unemployable.
Maybe you think you know a lot about this stuff?
If so, maybe you could tell me why the current delay is not acceptable?
Maybe you think you know a lot about this stuff?
If so, maybe you could tell me why the current delay is not acceptable?
Maybe he travelled to SA with a laptop, and now nervous because could not beat the clock lol.
the coverage i am watching is a good 3 seconds behind live traders in the stadium...could even be 4 seconds...
i would be nervous with a 5 second delay ..so i am happy with how they have it
i would be nervous with a 5 second delay ..so i am happy with how they have it
yeah it's fine if necessary.
I've seen markets getting suspended about 3-4 seconds before I see the goal on tv, Betfair have obviously got a better feed.
I've seen markets getting suspended about 3-4 seconds before I see the goal on tv, Betfair have obviously got a better feed.
If anything it should be slightly more - 7 or 8 seconds. Today I got hoovered when the South Koreans broke through and almost scored. Those at the stadium have got a massive advantage.
recreational punters are watching it on digital, which is at least 5 secs behind reality.
pretty simple really.
pretty simple really.
those at the stadium have a big advantage,they also have big xs so why do you not join them.
the point is, if the delay doesn't protect people from courtsiders, then no one will put up money in running who's not physically at the event and markets will die.
whenever I read these threads I find it hard not to suspect the OP's missed out on a couple of hooverings by a second or two and got the hump. which is a sign that the system's working.
whenever I read these threads I find it hard not to suspect the OP's missed out on a couple of hooverings by a second or two and got the hump. which is a sign that the system's working.
There really shouldnt be any delay, surely it would take 6 seconds for any courtsiders to stop playing their vuvuzela and return to their computers/phones when a goal is scored.
So if that sort of delay is acceptable to BF for football why not for racing. Do laptop users at the ground live in some parallel universe or something? Sat delays exist in every sport coverage but apparently racing is exempt as far as BF are concerned.
lori,
Betfair do, as it is their high earner due to amount of races and the levels of money won and/or lost as opposed to a lot of the other in running events where the volumes are just traded back and forth.
Betfair do, as it is their high earner due to amount of races and the levels of money won and/or lost as opposed to a lot of the other in running events where the volumes are just traded back and forth.
I mean normal gamblers though. Horse racing is just all the trainers and lads betting against each other, so it's fine for betfair to just let them get on with it.
Ask the average mugs in the street what they bet on and it won't be horses in this day and age.
Ask the average mugs in the street what they bet on and it won't be horses in this day and age.
sorry, didn't realise you were talking about sports betting in general.
Thought you were responding to the 'why is there no long delay in horse racing in-running ' post.
Thought you were responding to the 'why is there no long delay in horse racing in-running ' post.
I think there's no long delay in horse racing because all the people betting on it have fast pics or are at the races.
There was a report by the Gaming Commision recently that supported this view.
In other sports, most people are betting from "normal" tv and against people who have fast pictures and so the delay is put in to protect them.
The delay in tennis is so long it's actually protecting the fast pic merchants, but that's for another thread.
There was a report by the Gaming Commision recently that supported this view.
In other sports, most people are betting from "normal" tv and against people who have fast pictures and so the delay is put in to protect them.
The delay in tennis is so long it's actually protecting the fast pic merchants, but that's for another thread.
Lori that doesn't make sense. Not many have fast pics and going to the track is just as difficult for most as going to a football match.
The GC are just making assumptions based on their very limited knowledge of the subject. Just what qualifications anyone in that joke of an outfit has to judge betting in general is a mystery to me.
the reason the delay is so short in comparison is for financial reasons only imv.
The GC are just making assumptions based on their very limited knowledge of the subject. Just what qualifications anyone in that joke of an outfit has to judge betting in general is a mystery to me.
the reason the delay is so short in comparison is for financial reasons only imv.
Yes but A - they are only SIS feeds and B - Not everyone can get to them much like not everyone being able to get to the course. So how is it fair that those that can get to the track or event have such an advantage of the rest of BF customers. The whole point is that the delays are there to ensure nobody has an unfair advantage except it seems for horse racing. Why?
you've already said - betfairs bottom line
plus most horse racing punters are so one-eyed they cannot see they're getting blantantly ripped off
plus most horse racing punters are so one-eyed they cannot see they're getting blantantly ripped off
mg,
As I said earlier and you have also, the delay on horse racing is at 1sec for financial reasons. The revenue is huge.
As I said earlier and you have also, the delay on horse racing is at 1sec for financial reasons. The revenue is huge.
If you put a bigger delay in racing the mugs would get fleeced even quicker than they do now.
Can you imagine in a jumps race submitting your bet and having to wait 5 secs before it hits the market on top of the probable 5+ secs behind live that your pics are?
....and in a flat race how many lengths does 5 secs equate to?
Can you imagine in a jumps race submitting your bet and having to wait 5 secs before it hits the market on top of the probable 5+ secs behind live that your pics are?
....and in a flat race how many lengths does 5 secs equate to?
what I don't really understand is the 1 sec delay in racing. Seems irrelevant.
I've asked for lesser delay in tennis for a long time for the reason you described Visionary.
It's even more annoying in tennis as without the delay there would actually be neutral periods where you are definitely between points, where you could trade on a level playing field. The 5s delay spoils this (also in cricket, same principle.)
It's even more annoying in tennis as without the delay there would actually be neutral periods where you are definitely between points, where you could trade on a level playing field. The 5s delay spoils this (also in cricket, same principle.)
as for the original poster a 6 sec delay is very much appreciated if you're trying to play on the bookings or corners markets. i'd make a case for 7 secs
Visionary,
The 1 sec delay allows the 'best matching logic' formula to work its magic, which again results in huge risk free revenue.
The 1 sec delay allows the 'best matching logic' formula to work its magic, which again results in huge risk free revenue.
Yes Lori I see what you mean as it would make calculating the neutral period (certainly in tennis) much easier with less delay.
Football is a unique case though because of the suspend function which apparently protects punters. Whilst there is suspend then the delay should be extended to whatever period is deemed necessary for nobody to see a critical event prior to Betfair's monkey.
Football is a unique case though because of the suspend function which apparently protects punters. Whilst there is suspend then the delay should be extended to whatever period is deemed necessary for nobody to see a critical event prior to Betfair's monkey.
That may be the case today Windsor but has been no cross matching for the majority of BF's in-running existence on horses. Historically it seems strange as I cannot believe 1sec offers any protection apart from those at the very edge of seeing the action first.
1 sec offers no protection as you say unless you are on course and lightning quick. Football has the suspend protection but they don't have it in horse racing because everything happens so fast. The only real advantage a bet delay gives is the chance to cancel an order,but as you say 1 sec ain't enough for those not on course.
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