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1st 1st cd ,
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13pts was a maximum rating but i think he brought another book out with some other factors to take into account
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showing your age now matee ,did work tho the other was first time win then out within 5 days back again pretty good that was on the flat too
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first book i ever bought on horse racing and not too bad a book for a novice,never got the second book so dont know the system.
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The Fineform Rating Formula, by Clive Holt
"The formula is both swift & effective in rating runners on the flat & over the jumps. The combination of two positive potential winning factors - good recent form & proven ability - is utilised in the ratings. Points are awarded as listed below for each of the runners' previous TWO OUTINGS OF THE CURRENT SEASON ONLY.:- 1st 5 points 2nd 3 points 3rd 2 points 4th 1 point D (disqualified from 1st place) 5 points Course & Distance (C&D) C&D 3 points C.D 3 points D 2 points C 1 point All runners in the race are awarded points according to their previous achievements, and the runner that is rated the highest TOTAL number of points is the selection. The maximum total rating that can be achieved is 13 points. If joint Top Rated an extra 1 point for a distance winner. If still even the horse nearest the top/bottom of the card is the selection." You can use the second(third) rated horse for forecasts. If you are selective and factor in the selections ability to go on the going, and its proven fitness with a recent run you should be in with a chance at the finish. Clive Holt supports his formula with numerous statistics. I find it is a good base to finalise selections., and it often throws up decent price winners. The Fineform Maximum Selection i.e. 13 points choices. By just backing these selections only over the season, everything I have read indicates you will come out on top. If have also seen this selection criteria method known as the "Financial Security for Life Formula," amongst others. With regards to your betting strategy I would suggest you just do single bets, although I am sure you have some very good days. Why? Because professional gamblers only normally bet in singles (I assume they must know something), and bookmakers are always encouraging multi-bets (I assume they must know something). E.g. In a Yankee out of 11 bets , if your first horse loses you lose out on 7 bets, leaving you only with 4 bets left for your last 3 selections. For staking I look at the amount I want to win and adjust my stake accordingly. E.g. I want to win £20 - on a 4/1 chance I bet £5 & on a 2/1 chance I bet £10. I always respect the market so if a horse is a 5/1 - its chance of winning should be around that, likewise an even money horse should be 50/50. But then that's where we all look for value! |
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tidy
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there's been other threads if you want to check out Gubbed and stick in Fineform
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wasnt there a system in the book were you get the top 3 rated and then back the biggest price of the three,cant recall it exactly.
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''calling the swinging magpie'' thread further down, spent a long time especially in the early pages discussing and following fineforms concept
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Clive Holt first started advertising his systems in the old Sporting Chronicle Handicap Book.
Basically The Fineform Rating Formula was a system dressed up in book form, a brilliant idea and he made a fortune out of it. Also, at one time tipsters couldn't advertise in the Sporting Chronicle or the Sporting Life (which were the 2 racing daily papers at that time). However, you could advertise a book. His second book was a re-jig of the first one. I know for fact he sold over 100,000 copies full-page adverts for years in the sporting press, so work it out he must have made a million out of that book, and was probably one of the first millionaire tipsters. In more recent years ISI*** probably made Kevin a million +. |
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You can still buy this book regularly(unused) on e-bay.
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tbf after lucky sods summary, you dont really need the book
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Two books :-
Be A Successful Punter With Fineform as your guide Profitable Betting Strategies |
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i followed this in the late 80s early 90s and backed the top rated and had a very good year and backing £100 on each ended up £8k on the flat the year knight of mercy won the stewards cup
but it all went downhill from there the nh was about £3k down and the next flat season didnt make a lot about £600 so gave it up |
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Financial Security for Life Formula
Yeah , selling his book. |
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you had to apply common sense to the system though...if as example a selling plater had maximum points, running against a top handicapper with less points..you wouldnt take it literally
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so basically you had to work it out yourself then
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erm...yeah basically :)
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clive was a genuine tipster and ran his racing operation like clockwork he also went racing in the north every day when it was on, he only bet on the flat in the later years and was well respected on course. He did make a lot of money and used to drive around in a jaguar, his little hobby was playing the guitar.
good man and missed by many. |
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clive was a genuine tipster
Yes he was genuinely rubbish.........another scam merchant posing as the punters friend. |
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do you know him thin and crispy ? i dowt it else you would have a different opinion, you are one of lifes losers thin just accept it
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do you know him No I also didnt know Fred West or Hitler but like Holt I have enough info to form an opinion. Back in the 90's I did a lot of reseach into tipsters. The conclusion on Clive Holt was that if you followed the Fine form formula in the long run you would lose and if you phoned his telephone lines in the long run you would lose money. Holt made most of his money by selling the dream, in his books, that you too could live the live of a pro punter.. Unfortunately it wasn't true just like the extravagant claims he made in his ads..which he confirmed to me when I wrote to him pointing out a discrepancy, were inaccurate.......but no, like Gordon Brown I didn't know what a great bloke he was in private.
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I agree with Thin & Crisp. The book was rubbish and must've cost punters an awful lot of money. Nothing more than a scammer dressed up as a tipster.
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how wrong you both are, thin you have always had a thing about tipsters, even the good ones, so much negative stuff and not one good word to say about anybody, you didnt agree with his methods no problem about that, the book was writtento help those that lose like yourself.
i used clives book and had a lot of success by adapting some of the points raised in the book. CJ, you would not have written about clive like that if he was alive but seem to be happy to call him when he is dead. Clive was the only tipster to fight in court and won the case. |
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I bought a system in the earlier days from Fineform. Very high profits and a very good strike rate from 5 years past results. When I received the system I had my doubts about it. This is how it worked !! You noted down the horse that was placed 2nd from a list of mainly prestige races at various tracks(Alexandra Stakes etc) and backed them next time out. What I realised was that they where back-fitted from the prevoius 5 years but when applied to the future, flopped badly. Complete con but part of my apprenticeship in betting !!!
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CJ 29 Apr 11:10
I agree with Thin & Crisp. The book was rubbish and must've cost punters an awful lot of money. Nothing more than a scammer dressed up as a tipster. Clueless. He was a well respected pro punter on the norther circuit for many years. |
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Not often we agree, know all!
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Why was he respected when he sold me and others a back-fitted drivel of a system like I just mentioned !!
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vic, if the system had worked for 5 years then it would probably need tweaking, if you used some bits from the system i bet it would still work now, clives original system still works very well for some but not for those who want instant riches without some homework and tweaking.
clive worked very hard on his systems and i can recall many highs including the channon 20/1 winner at york when he was over the moon that he had put it on the line and backed it in the ring to take out a small fortune, and he specilised in the big sprints like the great st wilfred he usually had that race well sorted at big prices. He started selling his very small book to give ideas to the punters who needed educating, so he didnt start out with any money, the first books sold very little but as it went on punters wanted more from him, so he supplied more. Buy his books on ebay ect and see why he was reguarded as one of the most successful tipsters and pro punters the country have ever seen.the books were about £15 you will learn a great deal about and understand the game far more than fools like thin. muqbil, hi mate how are you. |
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knowall .nicewon ,i did ok to, he was a goodman , as for tipsters put in michael CALLEN
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My opinion about Clive Holt is based on facts not sentiment. In the early 90s I bought the books and researched the main system by going through years of back editions of the Sporting Life and the Racing Post.. While it threw up the occasional good priced winner, if you backed the top rated you would lose, simple as that. This is based on 1000s of races.
I also researched the phone line, along with several others. At the time I worked in telecomms and was able to phone these premium rates lines F.O.C. I phoned his line every day for several months , he also had an update line for the good stuff, dont they all ! Well this also produced a loss. In his full page ads he claimed that by backing the top two rated by his system he had gone through the card at odds of 1000/1 +. I wrote to him pointing out that to do this would require 64 bets therefore a 1000/1 is really nearer 14/1, so this was false advertising. He wrote back on the reverse of my letter (paper costs money) and agreed, but carried on with the ads. So what would you call someone who sells a system that loses money , someone who runs phone lines that lose money, someone who knowingly places ads he knows arent true? Scam merchant, Con man? Or a good bloke just trying to help the punter? I dont doubt that he may have been a successful pro punter but he obviously realised there was far more money to be made selling the dream of the life of a pro punter than actually being one. What Holt did has been the blue print for many others who have wanted their slice of this lucrative market. |
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^ a strong a case against...
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^ thats right, you've summed up the facts. And another fact, Clive Holt
didn't make a fortune backing horses, he made a fortune selling that book. And if you go back to his early days with weekly adverts in the old Sporting Chronicle Handicap Book, he was just another tipster selling his systems. And then he got the idea from somebody to re-jig his systems and dress them up in the form of a book and also claim to be a pro punter. Having been a tipster for years he knew the strength of it, and he knew exactly how to do it. Basically he got it right, he knew what he was doing and he was good at it. He must have made a million selling that book, and was probably one of the first millionaire tipsters. He was a clever chap, no doubt about that, but it's a myth to think he made his money backing horses, he made his money selling that book. |
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CJ, you would not have written about clive like that if he was alive but seem to be happy to call him when he is dead.
Clive was the only tipster to fight in court and won the case. Whether he was alive or dead doesn't change a thing, i didn't know him personally and i'm sure he was a lovely bloke but it doesn't absolve him from creating false hope. I was a student and thought this was a way to make it pay, in reality @ £15 for the book and a few hundred down the drain it was a cheap lesson to learn that there are no short cuts where racing is concerned. The simplistic methods used could never have produced long term profit, all the 'all you need is a daily paper and my book' was rubbish but i wished I'd thought of it! |
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Know All, the system never worked for 5 years. It was never advertised previously. It was back-fitted using 5 years results then sold on the strength of that. I could make a successful system up using 5 years statistics on the colour of a jockey's underpants !!!!!!!!!!
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thin, you are a conman peddling your lies to those who should know better.
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It was too simple to ever work .. and it did not work ... but Clive was well before his time .. and it worked for him ..
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CJ "Clive was the only tipster to fight in court and win the case"
I can vaguely remember a court case, Christ this is going back a long time, and I might be wrong here, but wasn't this something about stopping others selling pirate copies of his system (?) Zip - I wouldn't say he was ahead of his time, not sure how he would survive in todays market. But back then he knew what he was doing and he was good at it. But basically he was a chancer who got lucky. One line on here by thin and crispy which sums him up perfectly absolutely spot on, "..........he obviously realised there was far more money to be made selling the dream of the life of a pro punter than actually being one." |
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Tell Dell ........ I met Clive many a time on the northern tracks . (1970 ) . take it from me he was a real nice guy....... we had a laugh many a time in the bar .. we even compared notes on the days card .. but your are right He was Selling the Dream .. not wrong with that .. most business are selling the dream If you dont have dreams .. you have nowt ..... think about that statement
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