Correct Football scores!!!!

Scom, no not dutches, but I manage each c/s market in-play. An interesting stat for last 4 weeks is that there's been a freak run of 0-0's that would have paid around 3.5k profit backing at £10 stakes, and simply backing each current score after a goal would have paid over 5k profit.

Are you talking massive stakes there, Trev?

No lol, as I said that's profit to £10 stakes. There's been a freak run of few early goals and few total goals, whether that's down to end of season matches I don't know, but I think it's more likely just a freak run of selected in-play matches by BF.

Trev, there was a bloke on here in the last couple of weeks who said he was backing the "next two possible scores" in-running. Not sure about his staking or greening-up/trading but he claimed to be doing well.

Think his name was stanislav or stanilasky

BTW sorry never spotted that you mentioned the £10 stake stuff.... :~

The CATT among the pigeons

The One That Got Away 26 Apr 20:12


No sarcastic comments Ken?

No, I must be getting soft as I get older. Mr Nice Guy now.

Rb, I'm suprised he's doing well at the mo, as alot of matches have held the same score till the end.

Todays in-play matches saw 13 under 2.5's and 4 overs so far, with one to go that's looking like a 2-0.

THE CATT 26 Apr 15:37


I have had a look at recent results but not long term.. i am trying it as i think correct scores are always priced up wrong... how can you predict a price accurately ?? i think there is a bit of money to be made ... we will see..

Are you not doing the same thing ?

Catt, had you played all in-play matches today you would have had a 46% s/r in the odds-against, and a 66% s/r in the odds-on (only 3 matches).

Could be simplified by backing or laying ''both sides to score'', but a successful back more likely when both sides are odds against, and that would be a lay. Interesting that he has left out the draw picks in those matches where the draw is more likely.

ken if you look, i am splitting both teams to score really...

trev, yes you are right and the s/r would have been good... but we got all year...out today so waiting for the Darlington match tonight..

Ok , Darlington v Notts co

1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

+£69.71 - comm if wins
-£45 if lose

Balance at mo £950.00

You might check your math. Alot of these could be covered in groupings of U/O 2.5 and U/O3.5 and offer better returns.

noticed 3.5 unavailable for match...

CATT, I'm not critising your picks (would I ?) just pointing out that you are ignoring the draw prices in the matches most likely to produce a draw (both sides odds against) which is slightly unusual, as are 0-3, 3-0 for instance in such matches. Nothing wrong with that, just a bit different, and I'm all for that. GL.

shapeshifter, i dont want to back 0-0 though..

KEN, no you wouldnt critisize lol.. i dont mind any input , you know me ;) but what i do know is that i want to do it this way as it is based on both teams scoring or not..

SHAPESHIFTER 27 Apr 13:15
You might check your math. Alot of these could be covered in groupings of U/O 2.5 and U/O3.5 and offer better returns.

i doubt by backing them you would get better returns as they cover more scores than i want...

I noticed this last night also , the assertion made that you'd only need a s/r of 30percent to claim profit ...wouldn't be right for the picks you've made thus far .....around 9/5 last night , with just over 6/4 tonight

catt i thought you were doing these for 1k a go last time, what happened to the bank?!

LOL1k a go, if that's not a joke you would have to be mad or have way more money than sense.

I think 5% of the bank is waaaaay over staking, but that's just my opinion, each to their own and all that.

Bank won't be lost as the stake on the next bet reduces after a losing bet, increasing after wins. Problem is that the losing bets will always carry the higher atake, if only marginal.

hi scotbet, yes you are correct, it should say 40%...hope you are keeping well

the titan, yes that was when i had a large balance.. i have got more of a life now lol..

And Ken is right, my stake decreases with loss..



0%s/r -£95.00, balance £950.00, next bet on barc match...

balance is £905

How do you deal with the reducing stake ?

I just wager 5% of balance and thats it.. nothing more

Hard to see how you can win, lower stake on winning bets, comm, not to mention starting this when the domestic season is almost over, unless you hit a run of wins taking your bank above 1000. Hope I'm not sounding negative, but the latter bit is your hope. GL.

No your not sounding negative, you are probably right but this is the way im trying and sticking to it, just see how it goes... cheers

My two pennies worth:

Correct scores is my specialist subject. I suggest that if the match odds are accurate then the correct scores will be also. The market makers do not make a continuous fundamental mistake. What they will get wrong is the match odds. That is the market place to concentrate on (and mistakes in that market are few and far between).

I suspect this is a commision generating project.

Top marks for inventiveness though.

Thanks REM, yes it is commision based as it is real. i personally think the correct score markets are correct price too if you backed in every match but i wont be backing in every match if you know what i mean..

Hi CATT, the math I was looking at would be dutching:

U/O 2.5
U/O 3.5

Was "math at a glance"

REM is, of course, correct. Problem for CATT is that he has specified certain scores, without reference to prices, but only on whether the favourite is odds on or odds against, which seems an unusual way. For instance, if the favourite is odds against then none of the draw scores will be backed no matter what the prices. GL anyway.

Bet 3

Barc v Inter milan

1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

£45.25 dutched, profit of £58.76 if wins.. thanks for your input everyone.. qite enjoying this even though off to a losing start..

Red card , dont look good :(

Got to be goals in the second half, Catt.

But hard to see Inter getting one.... :(

never mind...all part of it.. dont mind the losing bets first as long as the winning ones do come :)

Fair play to you, mate. That's the spirit.... :)

Poor start, it happens. GL.

Thats a great joke Rasp :(

Yes a poor start but must carry on..

0/3= 0%s/r bal £859.75, -£140.25

2 bets today

ob v midtjylland 5pm

Liverpool v Ath Madrid..

Bet 4

ob v midtjylland

1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

£43 dutched, 49.07 if wins.

0-1 @ h/t so im hopeful :)

next bet win/lose Liverpool v Ath Madrid..

Odds on so will be the same bet as this match i am on now..

let me congratulate you The Catt on your first winning bet....long may it continue :)

Thankyou very much :)

on to the liverpool match...
£45 dutched,£57.72 if win...

Balance before liverpool dutch= £906.37 after comm, 25% s/r

Well done on the Danish game, Catt. Rooting for the Liverpool game now.... :)

GL with this CATT, think the Liverpool game may be a loser but you never know!

Did you put up the score picks at Liverpool ?

kenilworth 29 Apr 22:46
Did you put up the score picks at Liverpool ?

Ken , it tells you at the start of the thread, if one team are odds on i do one amount of scores..

Cheers Rasp.

Theonethatgotaway, yes you was correct :)

1/5= 20% s/r

Bal=£861.37= -£138.63..

I still have the faith :)

next game will be posted..

Bet 6

Anzhi Makhachkala v Kryliya Sovetov - Fri, 30 April 14:00

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

£43 dutched, +£61.23 if wins

CATT im watching this with keen interest.. gl to you.
I do feel though that if you wernt so 'rigid' with your selections you may see more profit. As in the above selection.. Is it likely that one team may win 3-0 or the other team win 3-0. Surely if you feel a side has a chance of winning by that margin why not dutch scores around that scoreline?? just my opinion.
I will keep reading with interest. once again gl.. i admire youre honesty. would be easy to put up figures where you win win win. its nice to see.!

Thanks Dannymark, this what i am doing is both teaks to score or both teams not to score so leaving out 0-3 or 3-0 is not what its about but i see your point, thanks for the interest and i hope to get another winner soon, next game coming up..

Caen v Istres - Fri, 30 April 19:00 bet 7

17%s/rate , bal £818.37, £40.92 being dutched on this game..

1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3


£40.92 dutched, £61.74 if wins...

Well done, Catt.

Thanks Rasp... im on a roll now :)

2/7 =29% s/rate..Balance £877.02, -£122.98

Next game

Hibs v hearts Sat 12.30..

Hibs v hearts Sat 12.30.. bet 8

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

£43.85 dutched, 64.24 if wins.. all the best in what you do today... next bet 3pm kick off..

Good luck, Catt.

I've backed Hibs 3-0 and 3-1

Why select that game Catt? Surely most matches fit your criteria in some way.

Rem, there is no reason for that match only that it is early kickoff. then i can pick my next one at 3pm..

25% s/r, bal 833.17 -£166.83

bet 9

Man City Villa

1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

£41.66 dutched, 49.09 if wins..

how come you missed the b'ham v burnley game Catt?

Haslam, i missed that game because i didnt think Burnley would score against B,ham..

THE CATT 26 Apr 15:42
Wedged, they are not random.. if a team is odds on you get better odds for both teams to score and better odds for one team to score if above evens.. i am simply going against the grain...


I think the consensus was Burnley would lose,prob without scoring.

See your point mate but i am a B,ham supporter so i left that one out :)

lol,fair enough...

For what it's worth Burnley were slight odds on to score at least once.

33% s/r balance £868.81 3/9

CATT - good to see you back. I'm still fixated on the half-time markets (remember the 112233 episode) and have been doing a variation of your system based on the HT scores 0-0, 1-1, 1-0 & 0-1 before I read this thread for the first time tonight. Although only available on in-play matches, the HT correct score provides many winning opportunities with the above scores e.g. HT 1-1 pays around 10.00 or more. In various snapshots I have made in the last 3 years trying to crack the HT markets, the above 4 scorelines consistently appear approximately 90% of the time (check it out). I've tried dutching (it works but a 15.0 HT 0-1 winner is diluted by a 2.48 HT 0-0 in the same match losing out on the big priced winners), backing each scoreliine to level stakes etc. but there is always a downside if successive 0-0s (usually return doesn't cover an undutched outlay over the 4 score bets) or a run of 2-0, 2-1, 1-2 etc. occurs. Saying that, the longest losing run has been 3 on any of the examined periods.
However, I have now developed a successful method of staking using 10 ladders Monday to Friday with an additional 5 ladders available for the extra number of matches at weekends and early profit results have been very encouraging. (CATT was it not me who introduce the ladders concept to you as I remember you using the word "coup" during the 112233 days!).

Anyway good luck with this - I think you are on to something. I like systematic betting irrespective of form, price etc.

I like the theory of systematic betting because it allows you you can remove emotion and gut feeling and just play the system. tweaking it til you feel it's right. In theory should return profits.
Conversely, removing emotion and psychology has it's downfalls; not allowing you to adapt and refrain when certain circs exist. unless you build those circs into your system.

one o them, innit.

Hi, it was you who introduced me to ladders but there was not enough inplay football for me at the time. I have been away from all this for a while but now im back. Yes i remember the 112233 system and it had a lot of interest. Yes i did call them coups and i had coups of 10. I have all the spread sheets somewhere that i spent days/weeks on. I like the idea of taking emotion out of it too. Example the Barc game last night, if i had stuck to what i believe about going against the grain i would have had a winning dutch on that game but my mind said that villareal would not score :) so i have to take the emotion out of it like i read. ( and the Birmingham game ).

Next bet will be on the liverpool game.., nice to heart from you again.

Right i am changing the rules!!!!!!!!!

I am going to see which is the better returned price after i look at the two sets of dutched scores and i will go with the better return

so bet 10....

Liverpool v Chelsea

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

£43.34 dutched= +£72.97 if wins..

That was a good win :)

40% s/r 4/10 Balance £936.13, -£63.87

bet 11

Seville v Ath madrid

1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

£46.81 dutched, £67.78 profit if wins..

how i won on that i dont know, 3-1 score at h/t and stayed 3-1 :)

45% s/rate now 5/11.

Balance £1000.52 after comm..

Bet 12

Ath Bilbao v Mallorca

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

£50 dutched

£94.36 profit if win.

To good wins today :)

yes, i knew the wins would come, you just have to be patient and disciplined... onwards and up.. :)

are you backing at whichever odds are available at the time of the bet?

Yes rocket but i understand i could achieve more by asking for a better price on each score, something i might do.. cheers

ok, lost on that bet so...

42% s/r....5/12

Balance £950.52,,, £-49.48..

...A...
1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

..B..
1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

These are my 2 sets of scores i pick from..

Bet 13

Wigan v Hull

...A...
1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

..B..
1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

Dutching £47.53 on column B, +£77.05 PROFIT IF WIN..

It might be worth it considering how much the prices can fluctuate before kick off. Could make the difference backing at 40 rather than 34

If you want to liven your bets perhaps you could try this...
Work out the stake if dutched, for instance in your next bet £47.53, then divide it by number of bets and bet level stakes, therefore £47.53/6 = £7.92 (£8 rounded up) on each. You just have to hit a big price now and again...

Thats something to think about, cheers.. ill see how this pans out for a bit and adjust if i think it might work..

Bet 13 lost so 38% s/r £902.99 Balance, -£97.01, 5/13 s/r

Bet 14

Blackburn v Arsenal

...A...
1-1
2-2
3-3
2-1
3-1
3-2
1-2
1-3
2-3

..B..
1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

Dutching £45.15 on column B, +£84.90 profit if win..

Bet 14 lost

Balance £857.84 , £-142.16, 36%s/rate.

It's gone quiet. Have you quit, CATT ?

Hi Ken, not quit but been off here for a while... will post next bet soon...

bet 15

Notts for  v  Blackpool

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

Waiting for market to form..

You shouldn't really be picking without knowing the prices.

bet 15

Notts for  v  Blackpool

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

£42.89 dutched
+£62.29 profit if wins.
Bal £857.84 before bet 15, -£142.16
36% s/r

A somewhat surprise scoreline yesterday evening.

yes buzzer, i dont cover unquoted....

33% s/rate 5/15
bal £814.95


bet 16

Cardiff  v Leic

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

£40.75 dutched, +£66.36 profit if wins...

Have you knocked this on the head THE CATT?

It would seem that way. In with a fanfare, out with the proverbial tail between the legs. CATT has learned nothing from previous forays into these markets it seems. GL to him.

Must admit I never understood CATT's (and others) tactics.

1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
0-2
0-3

Ok, I can see he rules out the draw for starters and thinks (guesses?) the home team will keep a clean sheet and score between 1 & 3 goals.  On the other hand he thinks (guesses?) that the home team won't score any goals at all and furthermore they won't keep a clean sheet and will conceed between 1 & 3 goals in the process.

What's that all about?

With respect he might just as well use a random number generator (or half a dozen darts) to come up with the scores. 

Or am I missing something?

Would be simpler to lay 'both sides to score' with a small bet on 0-0. Wouldn't have made any money but it would have been simpler.