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Betfair would have a strong advantage if they ever made "my markets" so it worked imo.
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BF has its negative points Lori , i agree ...but i'm looking at their chart now .
The 0-0 score line is HALFWAYdown the page,so presumably you have to circumnavigate around the dead scoreline as soon as a goal is scored ? |
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Still, it gives us a bit of a laugh :)
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As opposed to betfair where it's stuck at the top of the page and you have to scroll down every time it refreshes?
Both are awful in that regard. |
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I'd just rather have the home team on top as they're usually the faves and it's all in clear view if they lead.
Anything else happens and both sites are equally bad I think. |
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Actually im wrong, if the away side takes a lead, betfair is superior
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ROD...I take your word for it about the Tennis as I don't bet inplay myself now on it. But it was one of your own guys who made that quote....I think the guy was called TheManMargus he used to be one of the big boys on it but surrendered it when the pc first came in 2 years ago.
When I say big player in the golf we have one guy who puts in £200,000 a tournament. That provides a lot of liquidty. Indeed when the guy was later putting up his money this week there was a thread complaining about the lack of liquidly in the market. Thats how fragile( probably the 3rd or 4th biggest market on Betfair) now is. A guy sleeps in and a big market like the golf slows down to a near stop. :0 All the pc implications have not been all settled or sorted yet imo......Cheers |
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Always find it fascinating how we all do the same crap all day and all have such different opinions on the most basic of things (even layout of sites).
For example, I'll never stop asking betfair to do away with the whole back/lay thing for two runner markets when the american site's system is just obviously better. They say having one option instead of two is confusing to new customers.... how can having fewer things to worry about be confusing (we know the answer to that one, it involves the cross matching bot ) |
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Whatever happend to M ansion btw ? They still have a site.
Have they officially died off in the UK ? |
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They turned off the exchange for reasons I never looked into (presumably they make more from just laying bets themselves)
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Ah, often wondered about that .Cheers Lori. Maybe they weren't making enough in commission in the first place?
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Makes sense.
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Lori 31 Mar 19:20
Always find it fascinating how we all do the same crap all day and all have such different opinions on the most basic of things (even layout of sites) LORI..i the day we all think the same on here we can all give up. As there be nobody to match our bets as we all would have the same opinion. :^0 |
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Fair point :^0
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Blessington/Lori
So are you both winners here or losers and have you paid the premium charge or not? |
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Ive paid premium charge yes.
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Are you a winner or a loser?
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I'm a winner
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Good man.
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JIMMY. Yeah I'm paying it,
and have a winning account, and I'm on flippant full 5% commission plus premiun charges. :0 |
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It does seem a tad unfair to be penalising you guys twice. My advice to you is that if you are both winners which it appears you are is to up your stakes hugely. That way you will still win...lots more... and won't have to pay the PC.
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can you explain in a sentence or two how much comm you would need to generate etc to avoid paying pc, just an example for a stupid person?
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Dunno Rod. My current commission rate is around about 2.4% .I haven't paid the PC yet and would be**ed off if I had to.
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so you saying basically, you think its poss to lose, then start winning, get comm rate down, get pc'd, keep winning more then upping stakes and moving through paying pc to just comm again due to comm generated?
i didnt know that. |
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I'm not sure but all I do know is that if you are on a low commission rate then I guess you will never pay PC. You have got to have big bank though to make it pay as you are bound to have some bad days.
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Lori 31 Mar 19:10
Betfair would have a strong advantage if they ever made "my markets" so it worked imo. It really does suprise me when certain elements of the site don't work properly. However it surprises me even more when the entire site goes down during the most crucial time imaginable :D |
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Jimmy,aggregated commision has to go above 22.5%
I don't have a major problem with the PC . I'd rather have a half decent site like this than 8 or 9 mediocre sites tbf. |
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ive been backing and laying random stuff, and doing the opposite on the other place, to try and increase turnover/reduce the pc.
no matter what i do, the bet on here wins and my pc for this week has gone up by £80. ive never witnessed a winning streak like it. |
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Count yourself lucky John. Just think of all those poor sods who don't win on BF.
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Nobody should be paying PC.. period.. if they are on less that 3% commission - not directly anyway. It hits small winners much more than big winners because the big winners will have lower strike rates for 2 reasons. ...1. they play in more competitive markets with lower margins and higher turnover and... 2. when you increase stakes obviously you get a worse price much of the time on the incremental stake so will get nearer to the PC threshold.
Most PC payers still dont get it that it's more a tax on turnover than winnings (and would be exactly that if you got refunds). It's easy to say just increase your stakes but you would be doing that already to a degree if it was as easy as increased stake equals increased profits. |
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For instance I'm currently on 3.2% commission which is about as low as I've ever been and I'd say about 75-80% of the time I take everything I can on the markets I play in at what I think is a playable price for me. This only leaves 20-25% of the time where it would be possible for me to increase my stakes further by default. Do I really want to increase my stakes on a small non choice basis? The reality of increasing stakes is not as simple as it seems.
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actually 3.3% not 3.2%
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2% of winners pay a lower percentage of their winnings in commission than the other 98% of winners do, but that 2% do 98% of the whinging about commission. They also generally don't supply liquidity and many of them fk up the API with their endless stream of requests for information to leech off while the rest spend their time **ing people off the site. When they're not on here they're losing the rest of us new customers by telling everyone how sh1t betfair are and spreading the lie that they take 20% off winning bets. And yet, these are seemingly the preferred clients of the clowns who run betfair.
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Can't wait till the middle of May myself for this shower of **** that run country and want to impose a new death tax on my parents, who have worked all their life been prudent and provided for themselves in their retirement to look after those that have spent all their cash on booze, fags and fancy holidays, lose their power. No surprise really because that's the mentality of spend today **** tomorrow that has put this country under a mountain of debt.
Hope the new government has the guts to invoke compulsory pensions. |
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It makes you want to leave the country Clyde...lol
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I thought I'd do a spot of fishing for some Glaswegian Hooped Redneck jimmy. There's been a spate of sightings of this rare breed in Stripeyblazerland recently :)
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Paying out about 25% of my gross profit to BF in charges in March.
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Darling said they're not going to impose any death taxes if they get re-elected.
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