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You wooden let it lie, wood you!
Move along now their is nothink to see hear. If all you Sharp Minded Betfairians having Brians Trust Meatings on M and S havent discovered it bye now, you wont do it. NO MORE CLUES! I hope this clarifies the matter. btw their are 6 potential qualifiers today on wiitch I could plaice my steaks, and I expect to select 3 of them. |
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slicer- how much r u up using this system now, i know u started in euros and r unbeaten.
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Still unbeaten and making demisquillions on a monthly basis.
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go on then tell me a figure. also i have 1 question, does a sending off at any point have the potential to ruin ur system?
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I just hope you wont lose a Zillion Slicer when your losing condition hits you ;)
Best of luck ! |
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Thanks for your good wishes and long may you prosper.
If anything, a sending off is good for both mehods! |
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Sorry-A sending off if anything, is good for the Single Correct Score in running lay.
The Holy Grail is not affected by a sending off. |
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I wonder how many of you chaps know what you are actually looking for.
That's not a rude or silly comment, but I have pages of tables which have predictive quality but still not a complete set. The real problem is finding the 'tunnel' if it doesn't go the plan. The Arsenal match last night was a classic example. There was one costly escape and that was flawed because you would then have to keep watching and responding to any changes that might happen. On some matches I can see the hedge straight away , on others I have to press the button and it's highlighted for me. On the Arsenal match, neither happened. As far as I can tell, there is no foolproof safety net if there's no score with that kind of firm favourite. I'd be interested to know if slicer arrived at his strategy by analysis - not intuitive - or from a lucky break. First question for your own analysis. How many possible bet pairs are there? Not all will work. Some return more than others. Just get the scale of the problem in your head first, or probably on the computer. Fun stuff this maths. |
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I tried everything at every sport over 5 years and lost 10s of thousands of pounds.
I then noticed certain things on the correct score laying I was doing and eventually combined 2 bets. Those nearly always won, but they did lose and the loss could be great. I then realised that bet 3 would more than compensate for those losses and if I combined all 3 it would not be beaten My Single Correct Scorelay evolved from something I noticed while watching my other method. So I think it is a case of the harder I work at it the luckier I get. And whelk- if anyone is going to discover these methods- I make you the 1.05 favourite! |
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Whelk, it's actually a very good question.
When Slice first surfaced this bet back in Euro 2008 he offered several clues (3 bets, 2 Pre-KO etc) which lead posters at the time to suggest various simple approaches to the bet...all of which were of course, incorrect. Reading those posts now you would certainly conclude that the bet is there too be found by some imaginative process and market-gazing. In fact, as we now know, this bet is anything but easy to find and is presumably based on some wierd and wonderful bet combination in the event of no HT Goal. There is even a possibility that Bet 3 could be placed before HT if the trigger is a certain combination off odds or similar. In effect then, actually 2 separate bets, where either one or both must win and in combination bring profit...therefore unbeatable. I conclude that Slice has observed certain probability patterns and rationalised that combining certain bets at a certain time will produce an unbeatable combination. Accordingly, no amount of market gazing will reveal this bet...the path to discovery is based on statistical analysis and timing of bet placement. Quite how one goes about working that out without at least some new information from the doctor is somthing I'm pondering at the moment. We know that bet 1 is Lay 0-0 HT. Bet 2 is almost certainly some form of Back bet dutching in the CS FT market. Bet 3 is some form of multiple bet triggered by an event that, in combination with adjusted bet 2, results in total coverage of all results. |
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Personally, I don't think you need any more information. In fact, even if slicer was giving us Merda taurorum, there is still the possibility that some cadences exist that are profitable almost all the time. I'm not a great believer in absolute certainties though.
I'm running simulations, but to do that requires real data and pulling it in from a great many matches over time. At present I know what will stuff you sometimes and what works in certain circumstances. That isn't enough. Sine labore nihil |
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All you have to do is put "prophets" in the odds box and "level steaks" in the stake box and the oppertunesities are endless.
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Whelk, I doubt all the scores are covered in a green book way...if they were then Slicer wouldn't have been sweating during his all in Euro 2008 efforts. It's more likely that there is some exposure but it's either a statistically remote possibility (e.g. how often does 2-3 as a scoreline happen if it's 0-0 at HT) or, my favorite, that exposure exists for a period of time during which the chances of x goals being scored is remote.
As you say though, it'll take some serious number crunching to crack this with data accumulated from many games....you're welcome to join the group discussing this of course. :-) |
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The funny thing is i think the stuff slicer does has to be some variation of my own method,.... because i place 2 bets pre ko and a third one if needed :)....... this approach has a downside,..... the liabilty on the 3'rd bet is inacceptable high,...... this is the issue i am working on right now.....
Still there has to be a different selection method,.... because most oten Slicer eliminates the games i would do and ice versa on my end...... Whatever,..... |
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And on a sidenote i need a new keyboard or surgery on my fingers :)
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One more thing,....... the number of possible systems on the correct score market is BIG,...... the main question is where you move your killer liabilty,...... you can place it on an certain event,.... you can move it to a certain time window,.... you can split it or constantly shift it,.... you can even build it up / decrease it over the course of the game,...... many variations ..........
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hey guys got called out yesterday so missed the msn night, how did it go? is any of those sharp mines getting close?
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My own guess is the sharp MINES finished with a whimper rather than a bang! ;)
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Have you seen the England Cricket team today good Dr.?
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No- I hate cricket.
The Mumbai Mumblers Old Age Pensioners Cricket Team could do a better job than England imho! |
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Hey Goose, sorry you couldn't make it...we'll be gathering again Thursday evening at 8.
We're progressing and we're tenacious so far from ready to give up yet. What we do have is a better understanding of the complexity of the method and how much work will be necessary to make headway. Fair play to Slicer - he must have put some significant elbow grease in to succeed. Btw Slice, have you got any games in sight tonight for the grail and/or single score laying? |
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Welcome back to the top of the thread ...
I feel that there are things we haven't been told ... and no surprise or discontent there ... I can see a method that works, but which requires a big bank to nail it and the need to adjust to maximise your return ... or you might feel that chance of a 50p return is worth the chance of a £50 return rather than a guaranteed £8.50 ... ... alternatively, you can make ninepences for a while until you've built up enough to make tenpences ... ... I'm happy enough with peanuts, although the odd banana is nice ... ... as for gambling ... ... I remember my dad's mate Joe Mahoney. He won a grand on the pools, bought himself a smart suit, overcoat and trilby and declared to the world, "I'm away to become a professional punter." Came the weekend and there was a knock on the door. Joe, sans trilby and looking like a tramp had just walked and hiked the 100 odd miles from London. He was wretched and starving and, having been stoked up on hot soup and bread and jam, recounted the sad facts of the 'evil twisters' at White City ... ... I may recount some of my own experiences of working with one of the 'evil twisters' at White City ... I recall one night when John Gough ... ...tbc? |
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I feel that there are things we haven't been told
Yes, unfortunately one of the concerns is that everyone who believes they've cracked this or a similar approach talks thus.......red herrings etc. I'm fairly sure that we are working with skewed information unfortunately which complicates the task. One common factor for all these possibilities is that a big bank will be necessary to make a reasonable return so we are obviously talking about very narrow margins or shifting liability to favour one or more specific results. I imagine your lips are probably also sealed Whelk but obviously any steer in general terms for the goup looking at this would be most helpful...if not here then privately. |
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It is a bit of a quandry isnt it?
If it was easy- everybody wood of bean doing it and their would be no market!! For your info, the games that I am considering as potential qualifiers for both methods today are at: Gloria GKS Aachen Nurnberg Besiktas Scot Under 16 De Graphschaap Leeds I am expecting to operate both methods on at least 4 of those games if they qualify. Must dash- tiffin time. Will return in time for the 3.00 UK time kick off at Gloria to see if it qualifies. Toodle pip. |
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Cheers Slice and GL tonight.
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As I said, I'm writing a book, but these number games interest me ...
From my work so far ... ... the first two bets need not always be the same score, but they have to have a common relationship ... ... I don't think the first two bets can be in different markets ... ... what I am doing may not be what slicer does ... ...as for gambling ... ... I would always tell my man to take John Gough's bets ... if the book was right for it ... it would almost always lose ... the real bet was elsewhere ... |
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Interesting stuff Whelk...I'm sure there are a number of methods that could be used in the CS market so your appraoch may well be different from Slicers...cheers for the info though, will give it some thought.
As for John Gough....cunning! |
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Slicer 07 Nov 11:34
It is a bit of a quandry isnt it? If it was easy- everybody wood of bean doing it and their would be no market!! For your info, the games that I am considering as potential qualifiers for both methods today are at: Gloria GKS Aachen Nurnberg Besiktas Scot Under 16 De Graphschaap Leeds I am expecting to operate both methods on at least 4 of those games if they qualify. But Leeds game is offering no odds yet and is not an in play market! |
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Oh dear, Cupra- the lights are on, but their is nobody home! I see you wont be solving the codundrum of my Holy Grail bet in a hurry. Take a look at BetFairs Friday In running Coupon!
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This is what this puzzle solving business does to my brain!
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I know wot brain frazzle is- I had it last Sunday after monitoring 8 consecutive footie matches.
Never mind- take it easy! |
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Have you finished for the day Slicer? Or are you still playing? I can't see you gamboling with under 16's!
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One in play at the moment and almost certain to be one at 7.30 or 7.45.
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slicer one question, is there any risk whatsoever in your method and if so how small a risk, percentage wise?
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Their is a risk in my Single Correct Score In Running Lay Method. But it is STILL unbeaten.
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ok thanx just wondering cos i reckon no system is 100% foolproof, i have crunched figures for an eternity to try find the golden goose, and have come so close to a couple of methods, but even with these there is a very small risk..only very very small mind ;)
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slicer which match are you on or have you been on? (of the mentioned above)
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Have you been on the Aachen match???
PLEASE Mr Dr Aristotle Slicer PhD MB BS B Pharm MRCVS DRCOG Cert BhD!!! |
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Funnywise once again,... all games slicer named are disqualified for me,...... i do my stuff on the Belgian game :).....
Good luck everyone,..... |
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I was on the Wehen/ Kaiser game.
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