Why do punters hate betting with racecourse bookmakers ?

because they come accross as scruffy little tw@ts , who let on they lose all the time .
and alo big mouths , cant stand em ( barry dennis ) . wouldnt place a bet with him if he was offering 10s and all the others were 3s . Been the festival many many times and just hate his big gob .
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Last time i went to the dogs it was evens each of THREE faves in a six dog race.

With one notable exception I have always found (race)course bookmakers extremely honourable people.

Been going racing 30 yrs +

paris -whos the exception ?

James Tenant

rodents the lot of 'em

I don't think most punters nor even most betfairians hate betting with on course bookies, there are a few very vocal saddo's who are negative, but I think it's mainly jealousy at the perceived "easy money" they make (see thread from would be bookie from december :^0 ), personally if I go to the races I see it as a leisure activity and have no problem betting on course, rather than ringing up BF etc, those more obsessed with value might find themselves unable to do so which is fair enough.

the on course guys are 50 times better than the phone firms,now they are despicable

Now and again I work for a bookie on here and he's okay, and so are all those I have met while working for him, or at the joint/pitch auctions.

what you mean --work for a bookie on here ?

These days the function of an on cousre Bookie is to add a bit of life and colour to a race meeting, as far as SPs are concerned they are just a tool of the big bookies to be manipulated. They are the pantomine villians of the event, so dont be too hard on them they are (literally) a dying breed.

Glasgow Brian 06 Jan 17:15
because they come accross as scruffy little tw@ts , who let on they lose all the time .
and alo big mouths , cant stand em ( barry dennis ) . wouldnt place a bet with him if he was offering 10s and all the others were 3s . Been the festival many many times and just hate his big gob .
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I would put your bet on for you and give you 5's m8.

They are just trying to make a living like everyone else. The racecourse(s) would be much the poorer for not having oncourse bookies imho.

reckon betting terminal that takes credit card, would attract more punters.

glasgow brian, its not the bookies fault you are scottish, just learn to live with it.

these days theyre just cowards. I went to Huntingdon a couple of years ago and there was this guy stood on his box meekly, checking Betfair all the time on his laptop behind his stand and i think he had some sign up saying "Max liability £300". I mean ffs. Gambling is about taking risk and a pitting of ones opinion against another. If theyre not willing to do that because they dont know enough about racing then they shouldnt be there and dont deserve a living.

£300?

:^0

fairly sure it was 300 yes Lori. I remember seeing it and laughing to myself.

Sounds like he's in the wrong job. Good god.

kenilworth, the truth is most punters dont hate betting with oncourse bookies.i find most punter at the track most civil and i treat them with the came respect and courtesy.naturally there will be the odd rude andignorant punter as there will be the odd bookie who fits into the same catergory but as a rule relations between punters and bookies are most pleasant . as for people describing us as crooks thats just laughable.iat a guess id say i have to call back a punter who starts to walk off before id finished paying them out at least 3 or 4 times a day.once again thees the very very rare dishonest bookie, i was**ed out of 900 quid when master oats won the gold cup, this was in the days of the old ticket/ledger system . nowadays this wouldnt have happened to me.bookies are just trying to get n honest living like most people.

the max liabilty signs were the best thing to happen in my view.if they guy onlywants to stand horse for small sums of money then thats his business.this doesnt mean he wont lay you to lose considerably more, it gives him the protection of, if hes got any horse losing as much as he wants , 500/ 1000 2000 or whatever and has a price on the board hes still prepared to laythat horse to lose AT LEAST 300 in a bet at that price.most sane bookies who turn up at a cold plumpton/huntingdon/ exeter..... midweek meeting dont really want to stand horses for 3 or 4k holding 500 /600 quid.personally on a day where it loks like business is gonna be poor i put up a 500 max liab sign i have neverever enforced it though.atnewmarket last yr a guy asked me for 500 on a 50/1 chance which obviouslyi could lay him, i woulda laid him 100 at 50s but he wandered off quite surprised i couldnt accommodate his bet.

sicko, I agree with you mostly, but I do believe to change. I believe some of them intimidate punters, not all of them but some.

I haven't had trouble with any of 'em, they're always happy to lay my £2.

as for glasgow brians decision not to bet with barry denis im sure barry will struggle by without brians bets lolololololol.

used to reguarly go to race meetings pre the noughties, still go to the odd Newmarket or Ascot- and there are (were) some really good guys running the on course pitches,
fair share of to**ers as well though, some clearly not good enough at what they are (were) doing to be able to convey any public facing skills, or simply unaware of how it reflects on the whole racing industry (RIP).

Glasgow Brian........ with all due respect .. you are talking rubbish ... bookies on course bookies betting with their own money .... Like Barry Dennis ... or Gary Whitshire .. who lost 2 million on the frankie 7 timer .
Barry will back his opinion against the big 3 any day of the week .... get out there son buy a rails pitch and stand the market .......... Give you a clue the cert of the day or so eveybody thinks .... its 4/6 cannot lose won its last 4.
take a punt 4/5 how much anyone .. take plenty GO evens .. till your nose bleeds ...... thats gambling .......

John Banks ..... god bless him .. Was like that .... maybe a bit before your time .

zipper, agree mate absolute gent,

Ken, I would not want to go racing without bookies, they are out in all weather and provide a great service, and are as essential to the colour and atmosphere of the track.

are as essential * are essential.

And for that reason I don't hate betting with any of them.

gary wiltshire and this frankie 7 is getting on me t!ts --
why didnt he lay some off ?

99.9 % dont, as prev stated on this thread the punter/oncourse bookie relationship is fine. re the criticism over the £300 liability sign, this i find laughable that u can moan that someone will only have a horse losing £300. i only take a £300 bet once every 5 meetings max, so they are not many punters happy to risk losing £300 either . working oncourse is the greatest job in the world and unfortunately a small sad % of £2 punters on here are merely jealous they have never haD THE NERVE TO JACK IN THEIR SAFE 9-5 JOB

diplomat, well said, how many would fancy making their way to a different location every day through hail, rain, or shine to get to work. Bookies, clerks etc never give it a second thought, most I know enjoy it

Would rather be at the racecourse betting with the bookies than being restricted or Knocked back by internet firms. As regards showing maximum liability I have no problem with that. Bet with those who will lay the amount you require.
I have always had and been shown the utmost respect by on-course bookies and I am a frequent visitor to the racecourse and have been for almost forty years.

boxinythefox, I love going racing and enjoy it the way I do it, but I can see what needs to change. Regards the course books, no one but no one, cares a toss how much business they do, as it affects no one but themselves, so to improve business, it's up to them. If making their board a bit simpler to understand, then they should do that, cos no one else cares, believe it or not, they are now becoming dispensible. Regards Joe Public, the biggest grouse is..admission charges, +food and drink prices, even the regulars are grumpy about those. Big meetings ? Stay away, just rip offs, stay at home watch it on tv.

Hi Ken, I can't disagree with any of that. I missed seeing Kauto on boxing day in the KG, it was the first time in many years not to be at that venue, Going right back to Arkles days when I was a teenager, it was more to do with Parking/ admission charges, enormous queues, for refreshment etc, in fact queues for everything,which are more off putting than anything for me these days.

The boards could definitely stand some improvement, but don't put me off in the least. I still love the game as much as ever and look forward to many more great days to come. All the best for 2010.

boxing, it seems we are from the same era. GL to you.

I would imagine that most new punters dont like going racing is that they are put off betting by the betting shop experience where they served by mostly innumerate and clueless staff which then they base a opinion of the industry on.

interesting thread, i do think however we have discovered that punters as a rule dont actually hate bookies. we have though discovered a few punters do hate bookies , those few seem desperate to blame anyone for theirown financial plight caused by their inability to make gambling a profitable pastime chose bookies to vent their anger on. instead of crying in to their milk maybe they need to do more research before having a bet or better still give up punting alltogether.

...we have though discovered a few punters do hate bookies , those few seem desperate to blame anyone for theirown financial plight caused by their inability to make gambling a profitable pastime...

sicko, if it makes you feel better by taking that view, you must do that, but in my view you, collectively, need to have a hard look at yourselves.

kenil, really relations between punters and bookies oncourse are very good on the whole.disputes are almost a thing of the past with the printed ticket system, i personally find most punters polite and very rarely have any problems . most punter are pretty easy to get along with,i said earlier ive often called punters back as theyve either walked away before ive finished paying them or given me 2 tenners instead of one , natuurally i point it out to thyem , this is true in revers as ive made mistakes and atarted to give soimeone too much and theyve pointed out to me.theres the odd bad apple amongst puntr and bookies alike but to be truthful very very few.most bookies enjoy a bit of bantere with the public.

sicko, I don't disagree with anything you say there, but you are wrong in suggesting that the only unhappy punters are the losers. As about 90% of punters lose that could be read as 90% of punters dislike bookmakers, which of course, is incorrect. You are also wrong in suggesting nothing should change, some things need to change as course bookmaking is becoming a dying breed, perhaps for reasons beyond the individuals control, maybe other things on course are attracting punters money, strategically placed t o t e booths, the course betting shops, the exchanges etc.Unfortunately the racrcourses don't care how much the bookmaker takes providing he pays his pitch fees and his staff have paid their entrance money. I just think you, as a group, you should be looking at what you are doing and see if there is anything you can do to improve your product. If you personally think you are doing your best, fair enough, but don't leave your head in the sand. GL.

went to cheltenham many moons ago on a tuesday and had a ton on alderbrook to win the champion hurdle. It won and my ticket had 9/2 on it when it was showing 11/2 on the big screen. I never been back there since and will never bet with a on course bookie again.

Your ticket had 9/2 on it ???

88, hard one to understand, as the ticket and board would be electronically linked. Perhaps you were looking at the wrong horse on the board ? Besides that, did you not check your ticket when you recieved it ?

kenilworth, what I was getting at is that in 1995 there weren`t
any tickets issued with the price on them. [Or electronic
boards actually].

Did you call the ring inspector ? He would have checked in the clerking book for possible evidence, i.e. was there other bets on the horse around your ticket number etc, etc, was the horse 11/2 and so on. 99% of bookmakers are straight, (something I wouldn't say about many punters given half a chance !) so perhaps it was a mistake on your part. GL.

kenilworth 09 Jan 12:21me
... 99% of bookmakers are straight...


Straight down the bank ;-)

i use the electronic board now and now and again when u change the price on the lap top or some reason the board price display remains unchanged.other bookies have had the same problem.i usually can tewll if this has happened cos when ive got 3/1 didplayed and keep laying it i chnge to 11/4 and still continiueto lay the said beast ll change to 5/2 , meanwhile a punter will return saying its still 3s on the board, then i have to discon the board and display prices again , this time the prices will be correct trouble is by this time your lumbered with a bgger liability than u need .

as kenil said i dont think that electric boards were in use when alderbrook won.here a quick storybof how errors can come in a punters favour, the glorious goodwood 2 seasons back , last day a guy comes up and asks for 20quid on number 6, i called out 20 quid on another number by mistake .gave the guy his ticket and the guy on the bag tells me that he thinks i made this error.anyhow i print a second ticket out ,in effect giving the guy 2 bets for hthe price of one and keep it hping he masy return before the race , he didnt. ok s0ds law the horse id given him in error won at 50/1,in truth i didnt expect him to come back but put hids bet bck on bfair at sligtly bigger.3 other races to place and after the lasst he sheepishly returned and asked if there was anything to come on his ticket,it was as if he thought he was heating me, anyhow i paid him out the 1020 quid, asit happpens i think id got something like 60s on his bet so it sort ofworked in my favour, naturally he woulda returned if his intended horse won and ive paid him on that instead.inas isaid in effect he had two bets for one , but we wrre both happy as it turned out.

sicko, I wonder if you would have been so magnanimous about the episode if you hadn't been aware of the error !! Strictly speaking, your course of action should have been to inform the ring inspector as soon as you were aware of the error, but glad for you it worked out. :)

to be honest i always scrub down 2 or 3 mins before the off and seeing that it may have been only a taker or even a loser id have backed it back.i wouldnt have thought anymore of it. the problem would have arisen if his intended horse would have won if wed failed to spotbthe rk hed return with a losing slip claiming hed backed the winner.obviously id just assume hewas at it and hed lose out by not checking his ticket pre race.imagine if the horse hed asked for had won at 20/1 hed be livid butwe would just think hes piulling a stroke.mistakes do happen thats why punters need to check their slips. i did have a guy at royal ascot , i bet on the heath, who came back after the race saying he knew i couldnt do anything about it now but hed asked for 10 quid on the 4/1 winner, as it happens i vaguely remembered him calling his bet and just knerw he wasnt pullig a stroke so paid the 50 quid anyway. he was so grateful he ofered to go 25 each to which i said there was no need .

sicko, if your stories aren't true, they should be. :) (only joking, you sound a good egg)

the fact we gave the guy at good a winnig ticket for a 50/1 winner is crazy innit , but true , i coulda calleed any number , there were loads of runners i just happened to cal that one.perrhaps on the odd occassion i have a bet i should try the same for myself.i must add that aLL AFTYERNOON I THOUGHT IDT WAS ALMOST CERTAIN THAT WED HAve a 1020 sleeper. the odds were if he didnt check his ticket at the time , he wouldnt check it after the race.even more so as each race went by after and he didnt come back.

That sort of thing in only happened to me once, when I had my wife on computer, and on asking her how I was with one horse, she informed me I had it for nearly 2 grand, while I was trying to come up for a carpet. Needless to say, she had the right horse, around 7/2 from memory, but had hit £50 stake instead of a fiver. I told the ring inspector as he happened to be nearby, but as it happened the horse didn't win.

kenil , do u sdtill have pitches or given it up.

Packed them up about 4 years ago, wasn't making it pay any more.

I dont mind betting with our pikey scruffy on course bookies

*But i dont like bookies wifes trying to sell me heather for luck!!

"Why do punters hate betting with racecourse bookmakers ?"

Because, on course bookies are CC, who regardless of circumstance always try to firk the newbie into a knothole.

robin ewe- you moan about not getting a decent bet yet often no liquidity around here. any answer to that?

hilarious those that criticise bookies over what they will lay when this is a punters forum. where are the layers on here? £2 at 2.55 blah blah