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because they come accross as scruffy little tw@ts , who let on they lose all the time .
and alo big mouths , cant stand em ( barry dennis ) . wouldnt place a bet with him if he was offering 10s and all the others were 3s . Been the festival many many times and just hate his big gob . DEPLORABLE CHARACTER |
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Last time i went to the dogs it was evens each of THREE faves in a six dog race.
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With one notable exception I have always found (race)course bookmakers extremely honourable people.
Been going racing 30 yrs + |
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paris -whos the exception ?
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James Tenant
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rodents the lot of 'em
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I don't think most punters nor even most betfairians hate betting with on course bookies, there are a few very vocal saddo's who are negative, but I think it's mainly jealousy at the perceived "easy money" they make (see thread from would be bookie from december :^0 ), personally if I go to the races I see it as a leisure activity and have no problem betting on course, rather than ringing up BF etc, those more obsessed with value might find themselves unable to do so which is fair enough.
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the on course guys are 50 times better than the phone firms,now they are despicable
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Now and again I work for a bookie on here and he's okay, and so are all those I have met while working for him, or at the joint/pitch auctions.
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what you mean --work for a bookie on here ?
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These days the function of an on cousre Bookie is to add a bit of life and colour to a race meeting, as far as SPs are concerned they are just a tool of the big bookies to be manipulated. They are the pantomine villians of the event, so dont be too hard on them they are (literally) a dying breed.
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Glasgow Brian 06 Jan 17:15
because they come accross as scruffy little tw@ts , who let on they lose all the time . and alo big mouths , cant stand em ( barry dennis ) . wouldnt place a bet with him if he was offering 10s and all the others were 3s . Been the festival many many times and just hate his big gob . DEPLORABLE CHARACTER I would put your bet on for you and give you 5's m8. They are just trying to make a living like everyone else. The racecourse(s) would be much the poorer for not having oncourse bookies imho. |
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reckon betting terminal that takes credit card, would attract more punters.
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glasgow brian, its not the bookies fault you are scottish, just learn to live with it.
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these days theyre just cowards. I went to Huntingdon a couple of years ago and there was this guy stood on his box meekly, checking Betfair all the time on his laptop behind his stand and i think he had some sign up saying "Max liability £300". I mean ffs. Gambling is about taking risk and a pitting of ones opinion against another. If theyre not willing to do that because they dont know enough about racing then they shouldnt be there and dont deserve a living.
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£300?
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fairly sure it was 300 yes Lori. I remember seeing it and laughing to myself.
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Sounds like he's in the wrong job. Good god.
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kenilworth, the truth is most punters dont hate betting with oncourse bookies.i find most punter at the track most civil and i treat them with the came respect and courtesy.naturally there will be the odd rude andignorant punter as there will be the odd bookie who fits into the same catergory but as a rule relations between punters and bookies are most pleasant . as for people describing us as crooks thats just laughable.iat a guess id say i have to call back a punter who starts to walk off before id finished paying them out at least 3 or 4 times a day.once again thees the very very rare dishonest bookie, i was**ed out of 900 quid when master oats won the gold cup, this was in the days of the old ticket/ledger system . nowadays this wouldnt have happened to me.bookies are just trying to get n honest living like most people.
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the max liabilty signs were the best thing to happen in my view.if they guy onlywants to stand horse for small sums of money then thats his business.this doesnt mean he wont lay you to lose considerably more, it gives him the protection of, if hes got any horse losing as much as he wants , 500/ 1000 2000 or whatever and has a price on the board hes still prepared to laythat horse to lose AT LEAST 300 in a bet at that price.most sane bookies who turn up at a cold plumpton/huntingdon/ exeter..... midweek meeting dont really want to stand horses for 3 or 4k holding 500 /600 quid.personally on a day where it loks like business is gonna be poor i put up a 500 max liab sign i have neverever enforced it though.atnewmarket last yr a guy asked me for 500 on a 50/1 chance which obviouslyi could lay him, i woulda laid him 100 at 50s but he wandered off quite surprised i couldnt accommodate his bet.
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sicko, I agree with you mostly, but I do believe to change. I believe some of them intimidate punters, not all of them but some.
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I haven't had trouble with any of 'em, they're always happy to lay my £2.
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as for glasgow brians decision not to bet with barry denis im sure barry will struggle by without brians bets lolololololol.
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used to reguarly go to race meetings pre the noughties, still go to the odd Newmarket or Ascot- and there are (were) some really good guys running the on course pitches,
fair share of to**ers as well though, some clearly not good enough at what they are (were) doing to be able to convey any public facing skills, or simply unaware of how it reflects on the whole racing industry (RIP). |
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Glasgow Brian........ with all due respect .. you are talking rubbish ... bookies on course bookies betting with their own money .... Like Barry Dennis ... or Gary Whitshire .. who lost 2 million on the frankie 7 timer .
Barry will back his opinion against the big 3 any day of the week .... get out there son buy a rails pitch and stand the market .......... Give you a clue the cert of the day or so eveybody thinks .... its 4/6 cannot lose won its last 4. take a punt 4/5 how much anyone .. take plenty GO evens .. till your nose bleeds ...... thats gambling ....... |
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John Banks ..... god bless him .. Was like that .... maybe a bit before your time .
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zipper, agree mate absolute gent,
Ken, I would not want to go racing without bookies, they are out in all weather and provide a great service, and are as essential to the colour and atmosphere of the track. |
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are as essential * are essential.
And for that reason I don't hate betting with any of them. |
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gary wiltshire and this frankie 7 is getting on me t!ts --
why didnt he lay some off ? |
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99.9 % dont, as prev stated on this thread the punter/oncourse bookie relationship is fine. re the criticism over the £300 liability sign, this i find laughable that u can moan that someone will only have a horse losing £300. i only take a £300 bet once every 5 meetings max, so they are not many punters happy to risk losing £300 either . working oncourse is the greatest job in the world and unfortunately a small sad % of £2 punters on here are merely jealous they have never haD THE NERVE TO JACK IN THEIR SAFE 9-5 JOB
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diplomat, well said, how many would fancy making their way to a different location every day through hail, rain, or shine to get to work. Bookies, clerks etc never give it a second thought, most I know enjoy it
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Would rather be at the racecourse betting with the bookies than being restricted or Knocked back by internet firms. As regards showing maximum liability I have no problem with that. Bet with those who will lay the amount you require.
I have always had and been shown the utmost respect by on-course bookies and I am a frequent visitor to the racecourse and have been for almost forty years. |
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boxinythefox, I love going racing and enjoy it the way I do it, but I can see what needs to change. Regards the course books, no one but no one, cares a toss how much business they do, as it affects no one but themselves, so to improve business, it's up to them. If making their board a bit simpler to understand, then they should do that, cos no one else cares, believe it or not, they are now becoming dispensible. Regards Joe Public, the biggest grouse is..admission charges, +food and drink prices, even the regulars are grumpy about those. Big meetings ? Stay away, just rip offs, stay at home watch it on tv.
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Hi Ken, I can't disagree with any of that. I missed seeing Kauto on boxing day in the KG, it was the first time in many years not to be at that venue, Going right back to Arkles days when I was a teenager, it was more to do with Parking/ admission charges, enormous queues, for refreshment etc, in fact queues for everything,which are more off putting than anything for me these days.
The boards could definitely stand some improvement, but don't put me off in the least. I still love the game as much as ever and look forward to many more great days to come. All the best for 2010. |
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boxing, it seems we are from the same era. GL to you.
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I would imagine that most new punters dont like going racing is that they are put off betting by the betting shop experience where they served by mostly innumerate and clueless staff which then they base a opinion of the industry on.
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interesting thread, i do think however we have discovered that punters as a rule dont actually hate bookies. we have though discovered a few punters do hate bookies , those few seem desperate to blame anyone for theirown financial plight caused by their inability to make gambling a profitable pastime chose bookies to vent their anger on. instead of crying in to their milk maybe they need to do more research before having a bet or better still give up punting alltogether.
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...we have though discovered a few punters do hate bookies , those few seem desperate to blame anyone for theirown financial plight caused by their inability to make gambling a profitable pastime...
sicko, if it makes you feel better by taking that view, you must do that, but in my view you, collectively, need to have a hard look at yourselves. |
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kenil, really relations between punters and bookies oncourse are very good on the whole.disputes are almost a thing of the past with the printed ticket system, i personally find most punters polite and very rarely have any problems . most punter are pretty easy to get along with,i said earlier ive often called punters back as theyve either walked away before ive finished paying them or given me 2 tenners instead of one , natuurally i point it out to thyem , this is true in revers as ive made mistakes and atarted to give soimeone too much and theyve pointed out to me.theres the odd bad apple amongst puntr and bookies alike but to be truthful very very few.most bookies enjoy a bit of bantere with the public.
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