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Punters on here must of cleaned up, Argentina equaliser had been on its way like a rocket waiting to hit its target
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Gordon did little bar the goal.
Correct he was awful |
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Pretty much everyone called it in running from 60 mins on that they were sat too deep and would pay for it.
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Wow !!!! Hardly Mystic Meg predicting an Argy goal was incoming, looking back half the thread thought the same. Well done btw.
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southgate with a little smile no doubt although would never admit obviously, must be satisfying for him to see tuchel doing no better than he would probably have done and going down with the same style of football that southgate got hounded out for
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I never made any mention of monetary gains. So whether it's before of AFTER the match, I can post my perspective whenever I choose. I answer to nobody, least of all to any bitter clown who attacks me due do being a sore loser. Win, draw or Lose, a graceless approach will always have me tilted away from it.
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Tuchel hasn't quite got the delivery of Mr Trivago. In his defence England were not good before they scored the goal, it's not as they went from brilliant to awful. Is it really the manager's fault that they can't retain possession for much more than four or five touches? The only notable contributions from Kane were a couple of crossfield passes, while Bellingham beat a player in the first half and then held off Messi in the penalty area in the second. Other than that, I can't remember anything that influenced the game. I would give them both 2/10, and Messi 8/10. That's where the game was essentially won and lost, but is anyone pulling them apart in the same way Tuchel is getting stick? Of course not, they have just got a free pass.
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that's me all greened up now, even bet the draw half-time, ya beauty. cheers.
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We are a dwindling band that were lucky enough to see 1966.
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@theoldnanny same here my friend im 63, if we had the world cup in this country I think we would have a good chance, but the next couple at least are taken so guess I wont be seeing it.
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i made £60 sqUids you makes money whens lifes bin HARD, ITS IN YA !
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WEAKNESS N HARDY THIS MATCH !
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But Not laurel and hardy
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Took the lead and immediately sh1te ourselves, way before the defensive subs the team had already backtracked, has anyone ever seen a game where it was more obvious that a team was going to score, complete capitulation.
But even before that in the first half we never imposed ourselves on them, we've all seen the praiseworthy headlines during this world cup but there is only one headline now....Cowardly Lions!!!! |
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And my god, what was Kane doing on the pitch for so long, he had an absolute shocker and offered nothing, why wasn't he hooked for Watkins who can at least run and might offer something.
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It was like watching a non league side who've gone 1-0 up in a cup tie. And the late substitutions should have been made after the equalizer, by not doing we were in effect playing for penalties. The message to Argentina is no need to rush you get an extra half hour if you need it.
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shearer said on commentary , when england were 1=0 up that they were superb, they had one cross and one goal up to that point,
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mot sure why kane and bellingham being picked out....after the second hydration break we had six defenders on the pitch who demonstrated zero ambition and were content with just hoofing the ball away when in possession.....how are our attacking players suposed to perform with no build up play....they were forced to join in the defence....inbetween goals england had 12% possession....it was a cowardly performance that was only going to end one way and we could all see it....forum comments were more enlightening than the england bench...the manager has been exposed as an imposter...35% posession the whole game...two corners....two shots on target...it was a game of one half...the first stank the place out by both teams...i backed argentia outright at 10/1 and traded out for a small profit as i didnt want to bet against england....that was my mistake....keeping this manager will be a bigger one....
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In the cold light of day, Tuchel fecked up by making us so defensive from the 82min. We were under the cosh for most of the 2nd half and in the pub where I watched the match, once the subs were made, people were saying "watching this is going to be 18+ mins of hell."
The game plan had worked brilliantly first half, restricting Argentina to nothing, but we were well tonked second half and Messi took control once we went total defence in the 82 min. The problem with our setup from the start was it effectively nullified Bellingham & Kane as they had no supply and lacked the speed to stay up and preoccupy any argie defenders. Tuchel said he wanted "the full-backs involved in the attack.” and that never happened. The starting eleven setup did not suit our strengths at all. I'm still convinced an attacking England formation could beat what I think is an average Argentina defensively. Such a wasted opportunity. Anyway we will know of sure after the Spain Argentina final. |
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*attacking* strengths. Rogers playing out of position on the right backfired...
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"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.", this article is spot on imho:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cj365n05mgdo |
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so has anyone seen the graphic for the first arg goal var offside yet,
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I would just like ti see it as all there is is dodgy videos on youtube saying hes def onside -why no graphic. I persume it exists?
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Kane is not world class.
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England have a chance to show their class against France on Saturday.
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For some unknown reason, I stumbled across bet356 Golden Gloves winner market just now, judged by a committee as to the best goalie in the tournament
Apart from the obvious that it's gonna be either keeper from Sunday's final... Pickford is 33/1 to win it...? Any takers? |
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spyker Now I've seen Messie catch Djed Spences, hard to understand why VAR didn't get involved. Or with Enzo Fernandezs punch to Anderson. AND to think Egypt goal against the argies disallowed for a foul over 90secs earlier. As somebody said on X, argies have no class/dignity, quite happy to cheat and abuse other teams, winning at all costs.
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Des Pond15 Jul 26 22:34Joined: 19 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 26,049 | Blogger: Des Pond's blog
shut up Richards! What happened to the comedy act? clown! I was thinking MR was being a lot more downbeat and critical than usual as well Des. Turns out his dad had unfortunately passed away the day before the game which might explain his demeanour  |
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Amazed he still went to broadcast, not a criticism but most people would be flying straight home especially if it was unexpected and not after a long illness where the inevitable was waiting to happen. Carrying on as normal can only be explained a coping mechanism.
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7 touches in the box in a world cup semi final,not in the 1st 5 mins,in a 102 mins,imagine a team talk at 7.50 in the dressing room,IF WE MANAGE TO GET 7 TOUCHES IN THE BOX IN THIS GAME, blah,blah, and i dont think any of the 7 were kanes or jude,s
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England capitulated in the 2nd half v Argentina because of fatigue. Travelled further than any other team in the competition at the quarter final stage. Had to play in altitude and intense heat in their two previous games and they were knackered. The running stats from the Argentina game were well down on their previous matches. Think it showed 2nd half v France too
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If it was through fatigue then they were all struck down by it immediately after we took the lead which is a bit of a coincidence which I don't believe.
That "mentality" that Tuchel took umbridge to when Clarke interviewed him after the Norway game was the reason we capitulated, as soon as we hit the front we were looking for the line, firstly by the players and then when he saw what was happening by the manager because instead of arresting it he compounded it, the analogy I'd use is when a guy in poker has a big chip lead and becomes scared and bit by bit after repeated folding hemorrhages his chips away. |
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It's borne out by the stats objectively duffy. Everyone won't be the same but collectively that was the issue.
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https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/world-cup/article/england-fatigued-argentina-semi-final-leading-physiologist-mzmxp5hvl?srsltid=AfmBOorfL26Gv8mDxhDDiraFp_DDlZrZ-hC-HUhviH42aBjnheok9sCo
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Do you think that the exact same thing would have happened from the 55th minute onwards if the score remained 0-0 because if it was fatigue then the answer should be yes, but I think no.
It's not a new phenomenon, it happened against the Italians and that happened after taking the lead in the 2nd minute of the game, fatigue? what about against Croatia in 2018 after taking the lead, we clearly have a negative mindset which is what Tuchel was brought in to eradicate which he has failed at. |
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There is a difference between physical performance and technical and mental performance. Physical performance is objective and can be measured. Their physical performance was not at the same level against Argentina which is understandable. No runner in the world would be at the same level physically after the Mexico and Norway matches
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I'm sure there is a mental element too duffy and how physically fatigued you are will effect your mental performance.
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My initial reaction was the same as you. We've crumbled under the pressure. But since then I read that article and I changed my mind. The evidence is very compelling imo.
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Doesnt the entire team staying 20 yards from their goal for 40 minutes explain the lower running stats?
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