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Harry Kane - Best English striker ever?
Harry Kane - Best English striker ever?
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'3 goals in 7 games, including a pelanty'
If he was joint top scorer the 'world class' players didn't do any better |
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Cody Gakpo, Harry Kane, Jamal Musiala, Georges Mikautadze, Dani Olmo and Ivan Schranz all finished on 3 goals.
Not sure if you think being on par with them equates to world class, or if they are all world class, or if 3 goals in 7 games, playing 6 easy games, apparently, has any real significance at all. |
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World class and Euros arent the same.Theres a clue there.
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ashbourne is Harry Kane's dad - NAP
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I would say his mother.
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'World class and Euros arent the same.Theres a clue there'
So European players can't be world class? |
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Do all world class players play in euros?
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'ashbourne is Harry Kane's dad' His wife :)
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Nostalgia - when Jack Wilshere was the greatest England player.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvg5de1dyn2o
Even the smug mug Lineker agrees. |
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But the World Cup finalist and Champions League winner Didi Hamann instead has called it exactly how it is with Kane
https://x.com/DanielHussey2/status/2067376197424623742 that needs to be watched. |
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I'll save you all the time, he never really does it when it matters. But he's great against your clapped out Croatia's, lightweight Panama's and Africa's finest, Tunisia.
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great strikers not only score goals , they also are instrumentalto their team win trophies , they score winning goals etc in the really top matches, mullers, ronaldo, rush, pele , charlton, Kane doesnt and hasnt won a single meaningful trophy yet,
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Didi Hamann lol.
He loves being a contrarian. Bear in mind, Kane spent the best part of his career at average Spuds he still scored plenty of goals. With England, I'd suggest Southgate has been a stifling effect - a handbrake manager. Suddenly with Tuchel, attacking play is back in fashion. elisjohn All those you mention were in great teams with great players around them. |
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Everything he said was right.
Nobody doubts his ability, they question what he does in big moments. He has been surrounded by quality with England, can't use Southgate as an excuse. He had chances in the World Cup semi final against Croatia, did nothing, World Cup Quarter Final v France, scored a penalty, missed a penalty, nothing to do with Southgate, both Euro finals, went missing both times. Champions League final v Liverpool, AWOL. He'll go down as a great goal scorer, but will be completely eclipsed by the likes of Mbappe and would only ever be a footnote in conversations about great players. Win the World Cup with England and actually play a key part in the knockouts then maybe it's a different conversation. As it stands he's scored 10 World Cup goals, 2x Tunisia (Groups), 3x Panama - 2 Pens - (Groups), 1x Colombia - Pen - (2nd round), 1x Senegal (2nd Round), 1x France - Pen - (Quarters), 2x Croatia - 1 Pen - (Groups) So you've got 5 penalties from his 10 World Cup goals. No outfield goals in the last 8. And most goals against mug nations. Too many excuses made. He has to do it when it matters. |
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Walofs.
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Everything there is correct, he's never won anything or note, never done anything of note when it matters.
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The title of the space is whether he's the best ENGLISH striker ever.
On that basis, he's not up against much. Furthermore, if your criteria for being a top player is measured by medals, on that basis Giroud is ahead of Maradona. |
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I've never seen an Arsenal fan cherish a Tottenham man more than you, it is peculiar.
I was replying to elishjohns post about how great strikers are instrumental in their teams winning trophies, and of course he is correct. Best English forward ever can't be someone who's never won anything meaningful can it, it's also massive recency biasm. I'd imagine those old enough to remember Greaves would probably say him, many others would say Shearer who did win something meaningful, albeit only once. Kind Regards. |
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BTW mes, you lot got Coventry at home on the Friday night to start the new season, you can go in our fantasy league this year and triple up on Arsenal players in week 1
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I bombed hard in fpl last year, worst ever season hands down, though I basically tanked after October as I had other things going on, at least that's my excuse. Made transfers but poor ones as I wasn't following the game properly.
Tuned in on the last match day however to watch Andy from LetsTalkFpl lose his s*** when the site crashed and he couldn't make any transfers, he was dropping the F bomb every few seconds |
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Why did you stop posting on the thread?
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Wasn't on the forum for a few months, had other distractions in real life etc
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mes, I'm a student of the sport - recency bias doesn't affect me.
The fact Harry was a Spud is irrelevant. So name the English strikers who were better? If you say Greaves, how much did he win? |
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He could say Rooney, 16 major trophies including multiple EPL winner and champions league winner, great goalscorer and equally adept at dropping deeper and spraying it around like Kane.
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Rooney more talented, more flair, better on the ball, great touch, worked harder - saw him play for Everton v Man City ay City when they were getting beat 5-0 and he was still running around like a mad bastard taking throw ins/corners/free kicks. Great attitude. Kane is a bit of a flat track bully.
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The thread title says striker, not player, a striker is there for goals and glory. Kane was practically in between our centre halves against Croatia receiving and spraying the ball, what's that about, get yourself up the pitch ffs.
The reality is he hardly ever does it when it matters, your lavishing praise on someone because he likes to drop deep and be an all round player, he might be a better all round player than Shearer / Fowler / Sheringham / Wright / Greaves etc, but as an actual striker in the final third, he's no better than those aforementioned names is he. There's 2 different conversations, you win the all round player debate, but the striker debate is debatable. Maybe because in 2026 his competition for English strikers are your Watkins, Calvert-Lewin's, Toney's, Welbecks etc, it skewers people's thinking as most people have recency biasm or are not old enough to remember those players. I even saw a recent Harry Maguire interview with Ian Wright and even Maguire said Wright was before his time. And Kane was not more lethal than Wright who broke the Arsenal all time goal scoring record between the age of 28-35. Kind Regards |
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Roy Race was the best striker ever
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43 Caps 52 Goals , a good strike rate
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Harvey Elliot took the p*** out of Harry Kane. Wonder how he feels his career has turned out in comparison :)
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mesmerised, I don't watch any German football so don't know how Kane plays for Bayern. As A Spurs and England supporter, I am pleased that he is an round player. He prevented a load of goals against Spurs as a last defender and does the same for England. Why? because he is captain and clearly doesn't have confidence in the back 4 defence at corners. His ability to come back and defend puts him well ahead of the other names you mention.
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Super Mac was half decent,,,,
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Had two bow legs,,,but only used one,,,
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The thread title says striker, not player, a striker is there for goals and glory. Kane was practically in between our centre halves against Croatia receiving and spraying the ball, what's that about, get yourself up the pitch ffs.
The reality is he hardly ever does it when it matters, your lavishing praise on someone because he likes to drop deep and be an all round player, he might be a better all round player than Shearer / Fowler / Sheringham / Wright / Greaves etc, but as an actual striker in the final third, he's no better than those aforementioned names is he. There's 2 different conversations, you win the all round player debate, but the striker debate is debatable. Maybe because in 2026 his competition for English strikers are your Watkins, Calvert-Lewin's, Toney's, Welbecks etc, it skewers people's thinking as most people have recency biasm or are not old enough to remember those players. I even saw a recent Harry Maguire interview with Ian Wright and even Maguire said Wright was before his time. And Kane was not more lethal than Wright who broke the Arsenal all time goal scoring record between the age of 28-35. Kind Regards Verbose |
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What a player. Scores two against Croatia in the opening WC game and still has time to track back and help his defenders, while also spraying the ball around the pitch for others to run on to!
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Verbose you say, I'll keep it short then
Went missing the Champions League final Went missing in the World Cup Semi final against Croatia Went missing in the World Cup Quarter final against France Went missing in the Euro 2020 final against Italy Went missing in the Euro 2024 final against Spain But it's OK people, he turned up against the mighty Stuttgart in the German Cup final Kind Regards |
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The ball went missing against France, still hasn't come down
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He's mounting a late charge
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It is hard to argue otherwise now.
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Yes. I had my doubts but the numbers don't lie.
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