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the ref apparently has rangers leanings and has been threatened by celtic fans in the past - he therefore often goes out his way to show how unbiased he is (and avoiding further threats) by giving a lot of crucial decisions to celtic
the guy on var’s dad refereeed an OF title decider years ago - got his head split open by objects from the celtic fans and his house attacked welcome to the swamp that is celtic and rangers |
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shrewd-dude - correct maeda backed into the goalie if anything a foul on the goalie
alistair johnston should have been sent off v rangers which woukd have given the feeble rangers a decent chance against 10 men - johnston would also have been suspended no-one claimed for the penalty not any players not the fans who it happened right in front of - nothing from the ref - in reality no one knows conclusively what the right decision was unless you believe beaton worked it all out in 15 seconds - if no-one knows the conclusive answer then you shouldnt overrule the onfield decision (ie no penalty) as far as im aware if hearts continue to handle the pressure they can get a result on saturday - the betfair odds look about right celtic favourites but not overwhelming favourites the falkirk goal was clearly offside - hearts like everyone else have had the benefit of some dubious decisions over the season but not at the business end of the season - the head of referees has already apologised for not giving hearts a penalty at motherwell on saturday - the apology cant be converted into points or goals tho |
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Don Robertson referees game on Saturday gl to him and his house!
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The league is over the season all matches that is how your overall points produces winner, so it’s actually irrelevant when hearts dubious decision in their favour were given.
I think they got a couple at Ibrox earlier in season possibly at Celtic park too, not sure on Celtic one. However it’s one game shoot out, let’s see what happens. Exciting finish. |
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malay - i can sort of see your point but it does matter when they occur as you have less time to recover and especially IF rather than suffering from “honest mistakes” you are suffering in the run-in from referees under extreme pressure taking the course of least resistance for them personally
no one cares if that decision is given in november or hearts get one of their own - just goes into the ‘seen them given / not given’ category no one cares beyond that yep as you say at ibrox a rare occurrence there were 3 debatable decisions of which hearts got all - first goal handball rangers goal disallowed for over protection of the goalie hearts pen another day waved away none against celtic - the sending off of trusty at tynecastle was pretty clear tho celtic fans dispute it - bragas goal at parkhead everyone thought it was offside and the majority of the players stopped as looked ridiculously offside - what they didnt realise engels had been defending a cross at the byline and was still there clearly playing everyone on be disappointing for hearts if they dont get over the line but they are already signing another level-up players for next season - celtic and rangers need to prepare themselves for a sustained challenge albeit maybe not this close every year |
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Good luck to hearts if they can do it. I won’t be having a bet on it.
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If you are not a Motherwell supporter I know you are not a Celtic supporter why was that your choice of match ? Was the game at Ibrox not of any interest? tav farewell and all that good stuff, I thought that would be pretty good, although it probably didn’t turn out very good.
I live in Edinburgh. I'm from there. I support Hearts. I'm interested in the Motherwell game because...obviously. I've told you this before. You don't live in Scotland. You're not from there. Are you a celtic supporter? Why are you Irish types such parodies if you are? Is it all religion or are you just that usless at everything else you feel you have to support a foreign team? |
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i bet hearts at the start of the season but cashed-out last weekend - i still think hearts might get the job done but i could do with a boost to my bank even if its less than i might have got
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Nae bother shrewd I don’t recall you telling myself you were hearts fan, still makes no sense to me you were not watching you’re club but watching Motherwell v Celtic but anyway that’s nothing to do with myself
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I had the Hearts game on the TV and Motherwell game on the laptop. Not something I would usually do unless it might be relevant to winning the league.
It's noted that you didn't answer any of the questions I asked. Presumably you aren't from Scotland or Glasgow but support Celtic simply because of there Irish traditions and there is no other team of any sport on your island of any whorthwhile note? Goodluck to you to. |
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I was big Man Utd fan in mid 70s and early 80s.
Stevie Coppell, Martin Buchan I like to go to a match and enjoy the day out in fresh air, with having no massive allegiance to either side, I no winning is ultimately most important but that’s what I like. |
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I was a big Juve fan in the 90's.
Not sure if I would have the gumption to be asking other people why they weren't watching the AC Milan game though. Then again I'm not Irish. |
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I seen juventus once only live Celtic beat them in Glasgow Liam Brady, boniek were playing, tardelli gentile, platini possibly, great night.
However there is great history with Celtic and Italian football Intern Milan were dominant team in Europe but Celtic beat them to win European cup in 1967. Massive result. Man Utd won in 1968, also great result. No other Scottish team ever came close to Celtic achievements, got beat in 1970 final and two semi finals, wasn’t to be, I’d say it will be long time before that’s seen again if everybody doubts if they can put hearts away. |
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True.
I can see why someone from Ireland would want to associate themselves with a foreign team and thier achievements and make themselves feel like they are good at something in a sort of escapism way. |
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Relax plenty Irish lads played for Ireland and Celtic, and they were formed by Brother Walfrid to secure funds for Irish immigrants who wanted to make a better life in Scotland.
You should you go back to the politics racist forum because you are totally embarrassing yourself, you are coming across now as a man not worthy of discussion with football which is sad. |
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You are the embarrassment Malay.
You started responding to me with the usual Old firm supporter 'didn't know you supported X, Y, Z' 'maybe you should have been watching the other erse cheek instead' nonsense. A step away from the 'You must be a Tim/****' or whatever nonsense you guys are spouting now. It's an embarrassment to Scottish football when people come out with that stuff. It's even more embarrassing when someone who lives abroad comes out with that kind of nonsense because they live in some tin pot country that's sporting record is tantamount to zero but wants to continue this sort of nonsense because they have a proverbial chip on their shoulder. |
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Relax dude I’ve been very complimentary about Scottish football past and present on this thread. Not sure we’re you are coming from.
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wow, hard to think that aidan o'brien's and willie mullins' achievements are tin pot and tantamount to zero let alone vincent o'brien's.
you learn something new every day on the betfair forum. |
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A country or team game is different from individual achievements.
Ireland has some great Sportsman. Not sure why so many attach themselves to a team from another country and parrot the same 'never knew you supported them' 'why weren't you watching them instead' stuff though when they don't even live in the Scotland. Maybe I will learn something new on the betfair forum another day. |
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I heard some Rangers fan on Talksport this morning say that Rangers have had 11 disallowed goals against Celtic in the last 3 seasons, is that true? They've played 23 times since the beginning of the 22/23 season, nearly 1 disallowed goal every other game, must be some kind of record.
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Sounds like we have another one who wants everything to be viewed within the Old Firm prism.
The other teams get terrible decisions against them. Bit whitaboot da Rangers!!?? |
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There is no way that the on field ref , or the VAR one, could be sure that there was a handball by the Motherwell defender.
They were guessing. It's a joke that in Scotland they are using VAR often with only a couple of camera angles rather than the multiple ones used in the EPL. Does anyone actually think that Celtic would have had a penalty awarded AGAINST them if the roles were reversed ? I think we know the answer to that one. Apparently at the weekend Hearts were not awarded a spot kick even though the ref was sent to the monitor by the VAR guy. How often do refs stick by their original decision? Rare as hens teeth. Again, ask yourself if that would have been the outcome if one of the Old Firm were involved. |
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This one should be nowhere near var.
They'll be arguing over handball for years. Refs got to call it, and var only corrects if wrong. It does look like handball, but... And his arm is up there because the two players collided before the ball was played Could easily give a foul either way for the collision so leave it... |
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Nicholsons hand is up there next to his head. It's one of those decisions where it would be easier to see before VAR. If the Ref saw his hand up and thought he used it then it's debatable but its based on what he saw.
But for VAR to intervene and to decide its a clear and obvious error when all angles aren't clear is ludicrous. |
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I don't support Rangers, don't have Scottish heritage and have only ever been to Scotland once but thought that was some stat so don't have a dog in the fight. The ref was provided with one single angle and he saw the player lift his hand above his head where the ball was, not to shoulder or face or head, but above his head where it looked like it made contact with the ball. I would rather be angry with the player for that action that a ref error under pressure if it was an error. Isn't this the same ref that was apparently seen drinking in a Rangers bar at one point in time anyway and wasn't even liked by Celtic fans.
I see Simon Jordan coming down hard on the decision and calling it outrageous and scandalous lol, he's mates with Tony Bloom, as biased as they come when it comes to owners, even protects the Chelsea mob despite spending billions and only winning a made up tournament and diddy European cup in the last 4 years. |
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Ireland Rugby ranked #3 in the World. Leinster in the Champions Cup Final next week. Not too shabby...
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the ref has had death threats in the past from celtic fans - the guy on var’s dad had his head split open when giving a decision against celtic in an OF game years ago a celtic fan had to be restrained on the pitch from attacking him and later on his house damaged
celtic fans have this season assaulted members of their won board (they dont even deny this now) and have been accused of menacing behaviour and intimidation of members of their own board so its no joke - the footage is inconclusive so imo that would normally mean no penalty but the ref has a chioce give the pen and upset a few hearts fans and maybe accept a bit of scrutiny professionally or not give it and be the guy held responsible for possibly costing celtic the title and the ramifications which could come with it one of hearts key players oisin mcentee is irish - born in new york but parents irish and plays for ireland u21s in the past etc - injured now but has played a key role including scoring the winner at parkhead earlier in the season - unfortunately some celtic supporters seem to refer to him as a “soup taker” |
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as has probably been said already (possibly including by me) the ball flies away exactly how you would expect it to do from a header - the players hand was open not a fist so wasnt punched - open handed no way the ball travels like that - the guys a midfielder and in footballing terms doesnt have a great physique no way has his stationary open hand made the ball travel,like that
maybe its hit his head 95% and 5% his hand - then it becomes a question of what are the rules and most people discussing it (including me) dont know all the rules to the nth degree imo its inconclusive which i think should be no pen and if iit happened months ago no one would really care its like being drawn 1 at chester or 12 - that decision has shifted the draw - you can win from stall 12 tho |
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as has probably been said already (possibly including by me) the ball flies away exactly how you would expect it to do from a header - the players hand was open not a fist so wasnt punched - open handed no way the ball travels like that - the guys a midfielder and in footballing terms doesnt have a great physique no way has his stationary open hand made the ball travel,like that
maybe its hit his head 95% and 5% his hand - then it becomes a question of what are the rules and most people discussing it (including me) dont know all the rules to the nth degree imo its inconclusive which i think should be no pen and if iit happened months ago no one would really care its like being drawn 1 at chester or 12 - that decision has shifted the draw - you can win from stall 12 tho |
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There has been loads of Celtic supporters played against them and scored against them and sometimes go a move to them for decent performances, never heard any got called soup takers.
That term is usually used for ones who move into media work and have the audacity to criticise Celtic, it’s water off a ducks back to most of the them, they are only doing their job honestly. Charlie nick and Andy walker 2 that come to mind On the subject of celtic fans v Celtic, hearts support still have conspiracy theory dating back to 1986 when Celtic beat a St Mirren side 5 nil which had a few Tim’s in it, conveniently forgetting they messed up at Dens Park. 40 years later they have new conspiracy theory. |
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Just look at strikers from Motherwell who Celtic fans but earned moves to Celtic park, Joe Mcbride, Brian mclear, andy walker, Scott McDonald who was catalyst for helicopter Sunday, all big Celtic supporters.
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i am assuming that osin mcentee has been referred to a soup taker as opposed to the other players you mentioned is because hearts are often viewed (especially by celtic and hibs fans) as diet-rangers and a british eatablishment club - mcentee has been a key player for hearts and scored the winner at parkhead and celebrated it like a massive hearts fan (despite being a celtic fan) probably adds to their apparent issue with him - tosh mckinley a massive celtic fan and laterly a celtic player set up a winner for hearts at parkhead and did the same - they are/were just trying hard for the team theyre playing for
ive seen the comment on forums multiple times but maybe its just a minority |
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Celtic, could very well win, but false favs IMO,
Bookiies seem to be basing their odds on Celtic's vast support, not on facts Hearts to win/draw the value, sure to be the shrewdies bet |
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Maysoon players are only doing their job which they are paid to do and if contribute positively they are certainly entitled to celebrate with passion, why be in the sport if that’s not the case ?
I know Hearts are referred to as diets by some but I’m not sure that’s fair nowadays,I think most clubs in Scotland dislike the Glasgow clubs equally, perhaps even dislike Celtic less in some areas, that wasn’t the situation in 80s. Hearts obviously had big rangers connection back then, management team, formerly players. Regarding match tomorrow not sure what will happen number of potential scenarios, it’s obviously easier for Celtic manager to plan how he approaches it as they need to win, different for Hearts they only need a draw. Tactically it will be interesting. Good occasion anyway for all those involved. |
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John Beaton under police protection after his decision the other evening. I wonder what support has leaked his details on strength of that decision. Sad times.
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Could you Adam and Eve it: Scottish Football’s Weekend of Shame — May 2026
Two title-defining matches. Two deeply controversial decisions. Both damaging Hearts. Both benefiting Celtic. And behind both, officials carrying significant conflict-of-interest flags — appointed by a colleague from the same tight-knit Lanarkshire network. Decision One — McLean Denies Hearts Referee Steven McLean was called to the monitor after a clear foul on Hearts’ Alexandros Kyzidiris at Fir Park. He reviewed it and maintained his original no-penalty call — something only 1 in 20 referees do, making it a statistical outlier. McLean’s brother Brian had a lengthy career at Motherwell. McLean himself previously made a controversial late-game call that cost Hearts points against the same club. Coincidence, perhaps. But an uncomfortable one. Decision Two — Dallas Gifts Celtic a Penalty In the 99th minute at Motherwell, VAR official Andrew Dallas called referee John Beaton to the monitor for a Sam Nicholson challenge. Most replays suggested the ball struck Nicholson’s head, not his arm. VAR protocol only permits intervention for “clear and obvious errors” — if the incident was genuinely ambiguous, the threshold was never met. Celtic got the penalty. Hearts’ title dream was devastated. The Dallas Family Background Andrew Dallas was born in Motherwell, is a self-confessed Motherwell supporter, and is the son of Hugh Dallas — sacked by the SFA in 2010 for circulating an anti-Catholic sectarian email mocking the Pope’s visit to Scotland. The Dallas family’s influence runs deep through the Lanarkshire Refereeing Association, the same network that produced Willie Collum, now Head of Refereeing at the SFA — the man who makes all Premiership appointments, including this one. The Double-Edged Sword Here lies the sharpest irony. If Dallas carries inherited anti-Celtic bias, why did he gift Celtic a penalty? The uncomfortable answer is that overcorrection is a known psychological phenomenon — officials acutely aware of bias accusations can subconsciously lean the other way to appear neutral. The outcome looks pro-Celtic. The damage, however, falls on Motherwell — Dallas’s own club — and fatally on Hearts. The bias, if present, found a perfect disguise. The Verdict No corruption is proven. Referees make mistakes. But two officials with documented conflict-of-interest connections were appointed to title-deciding matches by a colleague from the same network, and both decisions swung identically. Scottish football needs an independent inquiry. Now. |
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Typical. The Hearts manager gets admonished for calling out a clown. The SFA is barking up the wrong tree.
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Are you raging ?
Correct Dallas is a Motherwell fan, on that not sure how you know how much his brain works at his job, maybe you can tell us why the foul penalty on maeda wasn’t given at Fir Park then first half. His dad was unlucky he was never anti catholic or anti Celtic when he was top man in Lanarkshire referees, others may have flaunted it as banter or maybe they were anti Celtic. The McLeans are rangers fans. However it was a penalty on Wednesday,it hit his hand and under guidelines correct decision was given, do I think guidelines are not great for game ? Definitely Off topic slightly what were you thoughts on bad decisions given not in favour of Celtic at Easter road recently ? Could not tell you referee was or who appointed him ? |
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Put up a link to the photo or video that shows the referee made a clear and obvious error when he first decided it was not a penalty. I think the lack of evidence to that effect is what is pishing so many people off.
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If the Celtic one was a penalty the other night, Hearts should have had two against Motherwell simple as that
McLean must have been the only person not to think there was contact in the box he was basically told he made a mistake Collum has conceded that it was a pen, even the arm ball in the first half is a penalty on the basis it was in an unnatural position soft yes but still a penalty - really hope Hearts do it tomorrow in the words of Keegan would love absolutely love it! |