Moyes - Keane “accidentally” tugged the boy’s hair.

moyes unlikely to care about a hair pull when he couldn't get zouma back in the team quick enough at wet ham after he abused a cat

even the grabbing his collar line is hilarious. as if that's in the rules of the game

Wrexham keeper deserved that. Chose right, and was close, to nearly every Forest pen

tobiasr certainly has an axe to grind

It should have been up to the West Ham hierarchy to suspend or bar Zouma from playing, not the manager. They were the ones who paid his wages .   

Who knows what Keanes's intentions were ? All i would say is he has never been dismissed before for violent conduct in over 350 games so at the very least it was totally out of character. I think toffees fans were more incensed about the lack of consistency by the officials, particularly Kavanagh on VAR (he has history with EFC) who somehow decided that Hwang's awful challenge on Harrison Armstrong did not require his intervention whereas Keane's hair pull did.

The line about keanes previous good behaviour doesn’t really cut it either. If anything all it suggests is Keane has got away with the dark arts before. Can only repeat what I said before which is what sort of defence is it to say he was trying to grab his collar… was Keane actually trying to choke the other player then because that’s what grabbing the collar from behind would do

FYI I have criticised DM in the past, but he is not doing anything differently to what the vast majority of EPL managers would do, so lets get that straight.

It is not up to the manager to discipline a player for doing what Zouma did - that is the owners responsibility, he is their asset after all.

During his first spell at EFC he would at times be too defensive and i and others criticised him for that. A particular case being  the 2012 FA Cup semi against our lovely neighbours when we should have not sat on a 1 nil lead. But overall he did a cracking job.

If you really think that Keane has been getting away with such things for over a decade with nobody  noticing , then discussing it further is pretty futile i'm afraid.

In law it would be called mitigation (i.e Keanes long career without a similar occurrence).  If anything the lad has been too "nice" over the years, we have often derided him for not getting stuck in enough and giving forwards more to think about.  Now his partner in defence, Tarkowski , is a different matter

It's what managers do tobiasr, surely you've noticed by now - they all defend their players publicly but you can be sure that behind closed doors it's a different matter.

I imagine there had been something happen earlier Honcho, it was all very strange.  Keane is one of the most mild mannered of guys usually, maybe he's learning a few nasties from Tarkowski playing alongside him all season   The toffees are going to struggle to put a team out in the cup match this lunchtime, only about 13 first team players available for definite. I certainly won't be backing them and am surprised they are favs with the bookies.

That semi final defeat really stung and i'm sure Moyes regrets not going for it as the Reds were there for the taking.

He was a bit silly i agree but the officials had not been the best and it was just frustration.

Its rather ironic that Jack gets constantly fouled during matches with hardly any opponents getting booked (Bradley in the derby game in Sept fouled him 4 or 5 times without sanction) but he gives a bit of dissent and gets sent off. Try explaining that to an alien

with the rules as they are and not how people think they should be, for all those fans,managers,pundits,players  bleating about every decision on social media as though their proff reffs,if you think in this week alone
forest pen
west ham goal
keane sending off
grealish sending off
cuucaa sending off
newcastle pen
man u ruled out goal
wernt the correct decisions you deserve the standard of reffing we get in the uk, 7 of the easiest decisions reffs/var will ever have to give once you have the slo mo,s and rule book in front of you, now the rules are wrong need changing is a different argument

I thought the red card was harsh and should have been a yellow as it didnt meet the threshold of violent conduct

Grealish was a kn0b and deserved 2 yellows

I don’t believe it was Grealish frustration, it was shocking indiscipline with no concern for his team-mates and their efforts.  Somebody should take him into a quiet rom and convince him of the errors of his ways.  Ego, ego, ego!

Many people feel 3 matches is harsh for hair pulling
compared to 3 games for kicking someone in the head.

Not many would disagree, but those are rules currently applied

Today was not a surprise Honcho given they were down to the bare bones. Only 13 first team players were available. Grealish, Ndiaye, Dewsbury Hall, Gueye, Branthwaite and four others all out. When these absentees start to return we will improve again i am sure of that. 

The youngsters like Armstrong and Anzou impressed and give hope for the future. Barry and Beto's penalties were very poor, Sunderland showed how to take them.

Dibling has not impressed, i said at the time of signing that i though the transfer fee was over the top, he still has time on his side but looks too lightweight to me. Rohl is struggling to fit in as well. McNeil was very good a year or two back but seems lacking in confidence, he hasn't been the same player since an injury last season, maybe down to lack of game time this season as he is no longer first choice.

Villa Park has not been a happy hunting ground for the toffees in recent years and our patched up side will do well to get anything there.

It's listed as an off the ball red in laws

And interpreted as on the ball red, as it cannot
be a challenge for ball.

All straight reds are 3 games in Epl except dogso.

It is possible a 3 game ban can be lowered on appeal
if its considered harsh.

But the 3 game ban for pulling cucarella's hair stood
so I think likely this one stands.

Would be good to see it down graded to 2 or 1 game
in future seasons as its clearly not same as kicking
in heed or stamping on somebody.

Over to pgmol

a pete crouch special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUijrNTDD_I

Would certainly lead to some good word play Joking apart MK couldn't do any worse than our under performing strikers, he has averaged 1 goal every 2 games for Fiorentina in the last year and a half. Same ratio for the Italian national team as well. He didn't seem to really cope with the EPL when he was here before so that would be a worry.

should have been doubled for suggesting it was accidental