Jude Bellingham dropped by England

is he overrated ? Games I have seen him and to be fair it's not every week I think he possibly could be

Not sure why he would be in the team or why it would look like he's dropped.

He's just come back from shoulder surgery

Played just 10 minutes v Carrot Almighty in the CL

Played 1, 19 then 70 mins in La Liga from game week 4 onwards

No where near up to speed or near match fitness.

Saka missed a couple of games but didn't need surgery and has played far more minutes including from the start of the season.

Having said that, Bellingham has been giving me Big Time Charlie vibes for a long while, even in the final against Spain when the game was going against England, apparently he turned to the touchline and screamed at Southgate "fking do something", then there's his demeanour and body language, almost as if to say he's carrying the side.

Reality however is that he has real competition on his hands, Foden and Palmer can both play that number 10 role having two of them in there hasn't really worked. So not being included for whatever reason should sharpen his mind anyway, but then Foden hasn't been included, probably because he's really only had 1 or 2 good games since being back in the fray for City.

Tuchel's an elite manager, wont care about big names, he's also someone that understands the importance of leaders and good characters in the teams hence the inclusion on Henderson, Henderson is worth his place for that alone, to keep all the young players in check, you could see by that tense press conference when he as Ajax alone, dealing single handedly with all those journalist mugs, that he was a leader of me and why he captain of Liverpool.

Kind Regards.

Definitely a big time charlie, well done Tuchel, see it through

Two things need to happen for Ingerlund to win the world cup.
1) Jude Bell£nd needs to be nowhere near the plane,
2) Kane has to accept the national team is not his benefit xi and that he wont play every minute of every match.

Worryingly it looks Tommy Teepee has worked this out....

forget city,s home games
in their only treal game gooners away,fodden looked like a 10 yr old in the playground hoping the big kids would give him a kick
grealish has crossed a few balls for Everton and MSM/pundits would have us believe their ripping every game up as though their messi, compared to some of b,mouth,palace,s,land etc players, for their standing in game their doing next to nothing

Kane should have been put out to grass for England by now, yesterday's news and time to move on.

I've seen Grealish up close several times and apart from his Villa spell he has been hugely overrated.

Kane would still be the first name on the team sheet for me. The ultimate pro who can still find the goal better than any other player we could choose.

Teddy Sheringham

His ego is greater than his talent. A trouble maker for sure.

I don't think so. I think he is a winner and the real deal. He needs to understand what team means and this will do him good. Tuchell needs to find a system and play his best players in their correct positions

As said before the answer to the question Lampard or Gerrard was in reality Scholes!

England will never will another World cup as the money coming from certain companies has ruined the game you cant just turn it on when you feel like it. Brazil league has put a stop Brazil winning it for 25 years .They d rather take the money.

These are the teams that lost the final game at the last few major tournaments, 2014 is the 2nd group game v Uruguay, as we were already KO'd by the third game, so put out 2nd string. Bolded years were lost on pens.

1996: Seaman-Pearce-Adams-Southgate-Anderton-Gascoigne-Ince-McManaman-Platt-Shearer-Sheringham
1998: Seaman-Neville-Adams-Campbell-Beckham-Anderton-Ince-Le Saux-Scholes-Owen-Shearer
2000: Martyn-Neville-Campbell-Keown-P.Neville-Bechkam-Scholes-Ince-Wise-Shearer-Owen
2002: Seaman-Mills-Campbell-Ferdinand-Cole-Beckham-Scholes-Butt-Sinclair-Owen-Heskey
2004: James-Neville-Campbell-Terry-Cole-Beckham-Scholes-Lampard-Owen-Rooney
2006: Robinson-Neville-Terry-Ferdinand-Cole-Beckham-Lampard-Hargreaves-Gerrard-J.Cole-Rooney
2010: James-Johnson-Terry-Upson-Cole-Milner-Barry-Lampard-Gerrard-Rooney-Defoe
2012: Hart-Johnson-Terry-Lescott-Cole-Milner-Gerrard-Parker-Young-Rooney-Welbeck
2014: Hart-Johnson-Jagielka-Cahill-Baines-Sterling-Henderson-Gerrard-Rooney-Welbeck-Sturridge
2016: Hart-Walker-Smalling-Cahill-Rose-Sterling-Alli-Dier-Rooney-Kane-Sturridge
2018: Pickford-Walker-Maguire-Stones-Trippier-Alli-Henderson-Lingard-Young-Sterling-Kane
2020: Pickford-Walker-Maguire-Stones-Trippier-Phillips-Rice-Shaw-Sterling-Mount-Kane
2022: Picford-Walker-Maguire-Stones-Shaw-Saka-Henderson-Rice-Bellingham-Foden-Kane
2024: Pickford-Walker-Stones-Guehi-Shaw-Saka-Mainoo-Rice-Bellingham-Foden-Kane


I always felt like whenever we were knocked out of a major tournament, that we were not so much overrun, but did not have enough water carrier minded players in the front 6 and way too many individual stars putting the side out of balance which spawns the often trotted out analysis of past failed generations as not being cohesive enough comparison to whoever it is we lost too. Look at that 2004 team, ridiculous, no defensive midfielder whatsoever.

The other most notable thing is how slow we were to drop a second striker to gain more control of matches with an extra body in midfield. Apart from 2006, it wasn't until Southgate came in and played just one up top did England start to look like a much more balanced side and far more cohesive then ever before. People laughed at Southgate for saying England struggled without Phillips in the 2024 Euro's but given how he played for England, a defensive midfield duo with Rice, you could see what he meant, Mainoo wasn't the same player type.

2014 and 2016 under Roy more ridiculous line-ups, essentially 3 strikers being played even if he was asking Rooney to play deeper. Square pegs, round holes.

I was always a big fan of Owen Hargreaves, mugs derided his calls ups because they were clueless, but he was world class at what he did as a defensive mid, yet Sven had him in the bench in that Portugal game in 2004 because he was too scared at the time to drop Owen or Lampard to make way, 2 years later nothing changed, Hargreaves on the bench again for the first 2 group games, brings him in for the 3rd for Gerrard as we'd already qualified so he gave him a run out, then Michael Owen done his cruciate and Hargreaves started the knockouts, but only at first as a right back v Ecuador then finally started a proper game in his proper position v Portugal but by then it was too late to have built up understanding with the other players in the team, rhythm, match fitness, etc. Also daft how Sven made Beckham captain, as if he was ever a leader of men, you had players like John Terry, Campbell, Lampard and Gerrard in the team at the time ffs, can you imagine them all sitting down in the dressing listening to his squeaky nasally voice giving a big speech and being engaged and gripped by it, he was not a man of words, it was poor leadership by the manager. R.I.P though and all that.

Before we started getting to finals, the teams knocking us all, albeit a lot times on pens, had more players willing to do more donkey work then ours did in centre midfield, Kleberson/Silva 2002, Costinha/Maniche 2004, De Rossi/Marcshio 2012, Rabiot/Tchouameni in 2022m we were practically all out attack.

At last we have an elite level manager who knows what he's doing, who's proven, Southgate took us so far but he's never a won a trophy in his life of any meaning, Tuchel's won the Champions League. He also understands the value of the intangibles such as leadership and characters hence Jordan's Henderson's call up to the bemusement of nearly every fan, but he understands you need people like him to keep big time charlies like Bellingham in check, characters like Henderson are invaluable and worth his place on the plane to the US OF A for that alone.

I would like to see Rice and Anderson starting together next year, with Foden in the hole, at he's best nobody's better.

Just to go off on a slight tangent.

One thing that has always slightly irritating is these journalist mugs who try to pass the blame onto the fans, I remember that mug Mark Ogden citing "It's coming home" being trotted out endlessly by fans at every tournament as English arrogance, when it fact it is people like him in the media who are responsible for nonsense like that, how many over the top, sensationalist headlines like that have you seen over the years from the tabloid press trying to ramp up sales? How many headlines such as 'E.A.S.Y (England/Algeria/Slovenia/Yanks)' have you seen, that was England's group one year and that's the headline they had. Luka Modric talking about arrogance of the press that he and other Croat players were reading from England before the 2018 semi final, and it motivated them. They tried to derail England's world cup by dressing up as Fake Sheikhs to lure Sven to a meeting to offer him a job that didn't exist just before the first game to maximise revenue from the headlines that generated, sabotaged Hodgson's first presser in charge of England when you could see he was pleased as punch to be there, but because they didn't manager to get their man 'Arry into the job, they just bombarded Roy with questions such as "why did you play football in South Africa during Apartheid" FFS, when the press guy said Roy commanded respect around the world in every dressing room, the press guys...went around to all the international dressing rooms asking if they'd heard of Roy Hodgson, they then set up Sam Allardyce after a few drinks to say things he shouldn't and got him the sack after one game, these parasites don't want England to be successful, they want to further their own careers and bulge their own pockets.

All fans get excitable and it's coming home is just a catchy little song that even the Germans were singing on their bus on the way to the game at Wembley at Euro 96 according to Klinsmann, nothing arrogant about it. Thankfully Old Media such as the gutter tabloid press and it's like have become far less important and prevalent when it comes to the influence upon the thinking of the general public as their sales have dramatically declined over the years, thanks New Media i.e, mass media/social media/podcasts etc. They've deserted fleet street in recent years and up sticks to Wapping (East London) but they might as well have moved to Wyoming as their days of controlling narratives are over and the negativity they generated has gone with it.




Kind Regards.

2004 team you've got 10 players..Gerrard I guess was the nominated holding MF as such though probably with some intended taking of turns when the moment allowed..certainly not well balanced but Stevie G could be an effective '6' in modern speak..

Yep, I always felt Lamps should have been on the bench when everyone available..I'm sure plenty of Chelsea fans would disagree..

that 04 team was a headache with Scholes shoe horned in on the left for the most part as well..

yep, Carrick didn't play as much as he should have for England 34 caps spanning 14 years !...

didn't have the natural combativeness of a typical dmf but just played the position with a lot of smarts and use of the ball from deep was exceptional (often simple but very much had the more progressive passes in the locker as well)

The problem we have no is too many talented creatives..Belingham, Palmer, Foden, Eze, Roger’s.

Why move Rice into that congested area?

Maybe Rice and Anderson together would be the way to go.

Decide on one 10, another to challenge him and a third as the understudy

We have sufficient wide men Saka, Eze, Madueke, Rashford with the likes of Grealish in the mix.

We do not have another centre forward. Watkins was ok for me.

Ivan Toney is a decent 3rd striker, if he wants to take 3.

Lampard actually scored in 3 out of the 4 games England played in Euro 2004 (as well as in the pen shootout).

Therefore i'm not sure replacing him with Carrick or any other DM would have given us a better outcome in that tournament.

Impossible to know Dixie,

England couldn't keep the ball well enough against either France or Portugal in that tournament (and indeed most tournaments), Sven also went very defensive in the later stages of those games trying to hold on for 1-0's both times..

they may have been better served with a different option in there -  if Gerrard (or Scholes) had played the CMF with more licence maybe they've have matched his goal output or added assists, a Carrick might have improved ball retention..
Lampard was a very decent player so it's certainly not intended as a slight on him but I think that there is a case for the balance of the side not being quite right.

What I like about Tuchell is is has let the ego’s know.

I do think Bellingham is absolute top drawer and we should be building a team around him. What I mean is we will need players like him to win something. I thought Rogers was fantastic on Thursday and could easily cover for Bellingham but.

I liked the axis of Anderson and Rice. Rice might be a better player, experienced and a great reader of the game but Anderson is more effective with getting the ball forward quickly.

I think Sven was too close to his players. Tuchell has put the team front and centre. How does Bellingham get back into that starting xl? He better start playing some good football for Madrid or he won’t be starting for England.